Oklahoma Abortion Law To Publicly Post Women's Information Blocked By Court

Women's eNews:

Enforcement of an Oklahoma law that will publicize an unprecedented amount of personal information about women who undergo abortions has been delayed by at least one month, to Dec. 4, as part of a legal challenge.

An Oklahoma law mandating that detailed information about patients who have abortions be published on a state Web site was blocked by legal action on Monday...

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Comments

[SilviaMaria]

Please sign the following petition regarding this.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/856169122?z00m=19802262

[usamade]

Lets make sure that we post the Viagra users too.

[plzchuteme]

Hey, Oklahoma! Why not finish the job and include pictures, SSAN, credit card, and bank account numbers for these women. That will surely teach them a lesson. Maybe, they could come up with a badge for these women to wear for quick identification, much like the Star of David was used in Nazi Germany. That proved to be a wildly successful campaign that cured the ills of the world. I have never been a believer in UFO's, but this law has me reconsidering that position. Surely, the lawmakers in Oklahoma are "not from around here." Perhaps, another galaxy??

[Tiger99]

We would have a much easier time fighting the Law in our State if the backward people of this state didn't have a law or forms that set precedent.­..

http://www.health.state.mn.us/divs/chs/abrpt/Rptinducabt.pdf http://www.health.state.mn.us/divs/chs/abrpt/2008abrpt.pdf

[KIVPossum]

If they want to keep the information for statistical purposes..­.fine..

Let's include stats on divorces, broken down by age and political affiliation, vasectomies, psychiatric drugs prescriptions, face lifts, list of men caught soliciting hookers, and anything else they want to toss in.

[keepemhonest]

I think there should be a list of people who want to look at the website.

That way, women, men, doctors, nurses, and everyone who supports a woman's right to her legal medical privacy & rights to legal medical procedures will know who the stalkers of these women are.

[mergina]

Sad that we have to go to such lengths to KEEP OPPRESSIVE LAWS OFF OF AND OUT OF OUR BODIES.

[Hollywooddeed]

Thank you and stay out of my ut.erus.

[SensibleJoe]

And conservatism believe in the least government possible and least government intrusion into the private lives of citizens and the decisions they make? Yeah, right! Let's pass a law that the details of every Republican politicians adulterous affairs, hiring of prostitutes and gay escapades in public johns -- and the amount of taxpayer dollars wasted on them -- has to be posted publicly, forever.

[puffthedragon]

I think there needs to be a law to make public, all information partaining to, all male republicans who are seen frequenting Airport, bus station, and truck station restrooms.

[dfranz]

That was perhaps the most spiteful and venemous law I have heard of in my life time.

What is it with Oklahoma politics? Based on the bizzare remarks from their national representatives, I don't get it. Are they a bunch of Texas wannabes? Perhaps it's that old time religion and vociferous antiabortion activists. What ever it is, this was an idiotic thing to try to do with absolutely no compassion for the women they wanted to shame.

[Okieborn]

If the Oklahoma legislatures want to set new rules down on abortion, lets have all hidden medical treatments open for the camera and forms to fill out for the public view to view !!!

[gray375]

good job your honor

[ZenDiagram]

Well, I've certainly managed to inflame passions here, which is fine and good. This is a highly contentious issue and will remain so for the foreseeable future.

So are the very clear similarities between the abolitionist movement and the struggle to end abortion really "revisionist history?"

Dredd Scott and Roe v. Wade, both controversial Supreme Court decisions. The fundamental deprivation of human rights as enshrined in our Constitution, in the case of slavery "liberty" and abortion, the "right to life" itself. Controversial violence by those fighting the status quo - the Dr. Tiller murder and John Brown's actions. I could go on and on. Lincoln, probably the most noted abolitionist himself, described Brown as a "misguided fanatic" yet the pro-slavery crowd painted the entire abolitionist movement as representative of Brown's mentality - same parallels with Dr. Tiller. For the record, I do consider anything other than peaceful resistance to the abortion question to be "misguided fanaticism" just as Lincoln considered Brown's actions to be.

It took blatantly extrajudicial action by Lincoln (ignoring habeus corpus as directly ordered to by the Supreme Court) and an actual war to settle the abolitionist movement as being the law of the land, and that still took a four-year war effort against the recalcitrant pro-slavery crowd. As always, following the peaceful means of resistance will take much longer. There's no doubt, however, that in 150 years abortion will be viewed as barbaric a violation of basic human rights as we currently view slavery.

[keepemhonest]

Zen,

You keep highjacking history. There is NO similarity between Dred Scott & abortion laws.

You have posted on this board that if an 11 year old girl's father or brother or cousin FORCED himself on her & she were to become pregnant - she should be FORCED to carry the fetus to full term.

You have posted on this board that women who seek legal abortion should be prosecuted & jailed.

You have posted on this website that YOU are AGAINST laws that protect women who have had men FORCE themselves on a woman and YOU are AGAINST laws that allow those women to prosecute those men.

YOU have highjacked history to further your Anti-Woman Agenda.

YOU ignore that the Supreme Court has ruled that Abortion is legal and the fetus is NOT viable outside of the womb and THUS - Abortion is protected under the Constitution.

YOU have blathered on this thread about things that happened in Poland thus, trying to HIGHJACK history by falsely comparing what happened in Europe in 1945 to LEGAL abortions ....

Where are YOUR comments about the Christian Crusades? hmmm ...

Again, YOU have highjacked history ALL for the SOLE purpose of furthering YOUR Anti-Woman Agenda in hopes of controlling the lives of women.

I hear your MOTHER grimaces at the mere mention of your name.

[puffthedragon]

wonderfull response . fanned!

[Hollywooddeed]

Thanks, keepemhonest. Zen officially has zero credibility. Fanned.

[HPdevotee]

keepemhonest - your name is obviously fitting. Thanks for such a great response! Fanned ;)

[DreamerWeaver]

Well done, very well countered.
Thank you for that.
Because there is sooo much to counter.
Except, let's leave poor mother out of the discussion. Even in his case.
I know. I know. But, the poor mothers...
Thanks.

P.S. Randall Terry of the big anti-choice, anti-women group, is the son of a feminist and several other relatives are strong feminists, strong women. What could that mean?

[ZenDiagram]

Well, you're a bully who resorts to personal insults when it becomes obvious you're on the wrong side of history. And your peanut gallery cheers you on. You haven't answered the substance of my post, and you keep trying to insult my mother or something.

Kinda pathetic, actually.

[SharpDressedMan]

"So are the very clear similarities between the abolitionist movement and the struggle to end abortion really "revisionist history?""

Irrelevant question dreamed up by a brain nurtured on pharma.

150 years from now there will be so many more people on earth, so few resources available that abortion will be legal and practiced. Furthermore, contraception will be required by law. Naturally, there will be wars.

[JavaManiac]

Well there's another state to not choose to live in.

[Maerwynn]

Why shouldn't they also post info about the father? You know things such as age, marital status, race, years of education, whether or not they had coerced the woman into an abortion because they did not want to fulfill their financial obligations for their offspring or if they fled the area to avoid their parental responsibilities

As noted by Pepe Lepew, lots of small towns in Oklahoma and it might not be that difficult to guess who the woman is. Or as Pepe pointed, ALL women of the same age, race, etc. start getting threats which then escalate into actual physical attacks upon them.

According to the link, Oklahoma state Rep. Dan Sullivan, a Tulsa Republican and co-author of House Bill 1595, told Women's eNews that the law is intended "to find out why people are seeking abortions and see if there is something we can do as a state to have a positive impact."

What a lot of horse hockey. As noted at the link, the CDC has collected state-by-state abortion data, which is available online, since 1969. The CDC even publishes summaries which "provide a means for CDC programs to disseminate surveillance findings, permitting detailed interpretation of trends and patterns based on those findings."

So authors and supporters of the bill want to spend over $256,000 annually in taxpayer dollars to collect and interpret data that already exists? Yeah, that's a brilliant fiscally conservative policy.

[deeppeace]

It's a thinly-disguised lie.

[keepemhonest]

Maer,

BRILLIANT - BRILLIANT POST!

[soldiergirl]

Rep Sullivan is full of it. It's just really unbelievable that this has gotten as far as it has. Really makes me wonder about my fellow okies.

[Tulka2]

They do not trust their own women to do what is best for their families. Right-wingers want the "gubment" to come in and police their own women.

And you know what...? They are smart to do so. Whether it's the Taliban in Afghanistan or the Christian Taliban here, if their women are given real reproductive choices, the patriarchal spin on those religions will go the way of the dodo.

The abortion issue is a forty- year-old red-herring and it stinks.

The incredible breakthrough of the twentith century is the way, through science, women are able to choose which men will be the father's of their children. Oh, spooky. As long as the right-wing keeps the focus on abortion, they do not have to talk about getting sex education, good medical care and the full pantheon of birth control to every woman over the age of twelve.

Real men are not afraid of these facts. Real men would rather entrust their families to their women than to any government. Real men trust women.

[DreamerWeaver]

We have a few real men in Congress, in "gubment." We need more women.

[SharpDressedMan]

You raised some interesting points and a different perspective on one of the last century's breakthroughs.

So much more must be improved. For example, the psychology of human nature, raising kids in ways that avoid issues in later years. Basically, knowing what makes people tick. We have only scratched the surface.

"Real men are not afraid of these facts" is true but different cultures possess different notions of masculinity. Many cultures discourage women's emancipation. The Taliban outlaws it.

In general, Judeo-Christian women in developed countries have more opportunities than women elsewhere.