BBC Besieged By Anti-Fascist Protesters Over Controversial Guest

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RAPHAEL G. SATTER | 10/22/09 08:49 PM | AP

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LONDON — The leader of Britain's far-right party outlined his vision in a controversial television debut that critics fear could help his whites-only party ease into the political mainstream.

British National Party leader Nick Griffin feuded with fellow panelists and was excoriated by hostile audience members in a tense appearance on the BBC's "Question Time" program Thursday night.

"It was hard-going," he told The Associated Press in telephone interview after the show, describing the program as "a bit like a boxing match. I took some punches but I was able to land some punches too." Still, he complained that the audience had been stacked with minorities.

"They put us on in London where the indigenous population is in the minority so we don't have much sympathy or support," he said.

Question Time gathers Britain's leading politicians, journalists and other public figures in a panel to take questions from a studio audience. The three-decade-old program has become something of a national institution, and many have condemned Griffin's first-ever invitation to the show as awarding his far-right group an undeserved aura of political respectability.

The BBC said that, as a publicly funded broadcaster, it must cover all political parties that have a national presence. The BNP has no seats in the Britain's Parliament, but earlier this year the party won two seats in the European legislature.

The program showed Griffin defending himself against accusations that he sympathized with the ideals of Adolf Hitler's Nazi Party – but also showed him ducking the question of whether he ever denied the Holocaust.

"I do not have a conviction for Holocaust denial," he said, smiling faintly as the studio audience snickered. He later said he had changed his mind about the "figures" of the Holocaust, but then refused to explain what his previous position was.

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Fellow panelist Chris Huhne, a lawmaker with Britain's Liberal Democrats party, spoke for many of the show's guests when he predicted that Griffin's credibility "is going to be seriously damaged by his performance."

"This is a person who comes from a fascist background, anyone who watches the program will see exactly what he stands for," he told the BBC after the show.

But Griffin's appearance on the taxpayer-funded program has divided the country. One government minister saying the BBC "should be ashamed of single-handedly doing a racist, fascist party the biggest favor in its grubby history."

"Our black, Muslim and Jewish citizens will sleep much less easily now the BBC has legitimized the BNP," Welsh Secretary Peter Hain said after the show's taping.

James Shields of Warwick University compared Griffin's Question Time invitation to a similar television appearance by French far-right leader Jean-Marie Le Pen in 1984, a groundbreaking performance which Shields said had helped soften Le Pen's image in the eyes of many French voters.

Shields said the Cambridge University-educated Griffin would, like Le Pen, see his TV appearance "as a breakthrough into mainstream media."

Griffin's performance was dissected in Britain's media, where most of the national papers carried his picture on their front pages Friday.

Griffin's defense of the U.K. as a "fundamentally British and Christian country" drew scattered applause, but he was jeered when he described homosexual behavior as "really creepy" and ridiculed for a reference to "almost a totally nonviolent" Klu Klux Klan. He was occasionally shouted down by members of the audience, one of whom invited him to go to the South Pole.

"It's a colorless landscape. It would suit you fine," the man said, as the audience laughed and cheered.

Outside the BBC Television Center, Griffin's appearance was met with rowdy and sometimes violent protests. Hundreds of anti-fascist demonstrators rallied outside the center, and at one point about 25 people breached a police cordon and ran into the center's lobby.

BBC footage showed some being pulled across the floor by their arms and legs by security.

"Shame on the BBC!" one female protester yelled as she was being dragged out. Scotland Yard said three officers were injured in the protests, and six people were arrested.

The BBC made no apologies for its show, saying Griffin had been subjected to tough questions.

"We remain firmly of the view that it was appropriate to invite Nick Griffin," BBC deputy director general Mark Byford said after the taping.

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I'm glad we are in the 21st Century. Does he realise the Earth isn't flat??

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 10/29/2009
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i watched part of this program on youtube. i encourage you guys to check it out as well, if you're interested.

It may be true that Nick Griffin and the BNP are facists/ra­cists/*bad­*, but that panel and audience was SO biased against him it really was a "lynch mob". The man barely got a chance to reply inbetween the constant demonization and RUDE commentary. It simply wasn't fair.

the BNP has some pretty horrible ideologies (especially when it comes to immigration) but some of what they advocate makes a lot of sense. Instead of spending the program discussing those things; they almost completely focused on controversial issues. If you've seen any other question time you'd notice that the normal format is spending a small amount of time on controversial views before moving on to other policy matters.

really damaged my view of the BBC. Not because they let the Nick Griffin on their program, but because they were complete asses to him, and didn't let him talk about other issues.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:00 PM on 10/25/2009
- colah I'm a Fan of colah 44 fans permalink
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This is one reason that I like BBC. I dont watch that much of the EU broadcasts but BBC America is as middle-of-the-road as it gets in todays "journalism". (Newshour with Lehrer also get a nod.)
Pretending that racists dont exist is sophomoric at best. As a legitimite news organization they have the right & the obligation to bring on guests from as many different viewpoints as possible. No matter how unsavory they might be.
As for the old white guys screaming about bringing "legimitacy" to their cause, it really reminds me of the conservative US base who thinks that bombing is always the solution & that talking somehow makes you "weak". In many ways they are forwarding the same isolationist/facist views of the person they were protesting against.
They should have just let him on & roasted him on his responses like we do to Beck , Matthews, Brown,Dobbs, Scarborough, Limbaugh et all. Trying to deny someones right to be heard is slippery ground.....

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 AM on 10/25/2009
- BlackYowe I'm a Fan of BlackYowe 58 fans permalink
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The Scottish National Party really is very right leaning too and very much an anti-immigrant party. They are playing it very cool but its starting to show. If Scotland gets its independence as many would like, we might see some scary stuff going on. Alex Solmond head of the SNP is very fond of Trent Lott and some other very unsavory Republicans. Hey may have ties to Pat Robertson as well.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:18 PM on 10/24/2009
- Tim303 I'm a Fan of Tim303 83 fans permalink
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The UK debate is about freedom of speech and all that. It's clear that this guy, who was convicted of incitement to race riot, is yelling "fire" in a crowded theater and that our 1st Amendment would in no way cover him. Shame on the BBC.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 AM on 10/24/2009
- Horst I'm a Fan of Horst 24 fans permalink

What are you talking about...David Duke, to name just one example, has been on TV many times in the US.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 AM on 10/25/2009

Racism is supported by all western governments, otherwise how do they justify their support for Israel.

They are all Hypocrites­..........­.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:22 PM on 10/23/2009
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Following your logic, all Israelis are racists, and therefore Israel should not be supported, has no right to exist, and the Israeli people should be driven from their homes at gunpoint.

Hypocrisy is for example, declaring one's political organization "the party of conservative Christian family values" when one's political party elite consistently operates in a manner that is neither:

http://www.armchairsubversive.org

http://www.republicanoffenders.com

As long as factions of both sides commit crimes against humanity, accusing one side of hypocrisy while ignoring the behavior of the other, is at best intellectually dishonest, and that is as generous as I can be on the matter.

Leland R. Erickson

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One of the 47 Million Declared "...not profitable enough!"

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:21 PM on 10/25/2009
- larmarch5 I'm a Fan of larmarch5 39 fans permalink
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"Fellow panelist Chris Huhne, a lawmaker with Britain's Liberal Democrats party, spoke for many of the show's guests when he predicted that Griffin's credibility "is going to be seriously damaged by his performance."

From what I heard on a BBC report this is what happened. He came up short on answers and long on uh uh uh's.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:46 PM on 10/23/2009
- Lyr I'm a Fan of Lyr 35 fans permalink

From the BNP website: http://bnp.org.uk/policies/health/

“Marketisation,” and particularly the Conservati­ve-created Private Finance Initiative (PFI) schemes imposed by Gordon Brown, has been a disaster which is saddling Trusts and the taxpayer with enormous debts. We totally reject this attempt to turn the nation’s health service into a private profit centre for giant corporations.

So what exactly is right wing about the above position?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:58 PM on 10/23/2009
- Tim303 I'm a Fan of Tim303 83 fans permalink
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You need to study up on what constitutes right wingness. Not all wingnuts are libertarians who want people to bleed to death in the street.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 AM on 10/24/2009
- Tim303 I'm a Fan of Tim303 83 fans permalink
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Oh, I get it--if you support the public option, you are a fascist. How clever of you...

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 AM on 10/24/2009
- bobo5 I'm a Fan of bobo5 14 fans permalink

The BNP wants services for aboiriginal Britons. It wants all others to leave and go back to their homelands even if they are British born.

The BNP believes that industrious and hard working immigrants are taking the country away from whites with zero O-levels who binge drink and claim benefits.

These are Pat Buchanan's homolugous cousins.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 PM on 10/25/2009
- Lyr I'm a Fan of Lyr 35 fans permalink

From the BNP website: http://bnp.org.uk/policies/defence/

As such, the BNP is committed to withdrawing from the illegal and immoral wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, and the prosecution for war crimes of all Westminster officials who deliberately tricked this nation into those conflicts which have cost billions and at least 300 British lives.

The people to be prosecuted for war crimes will include the leaders of the parliamentary political parties who supported the war – Labour’s Blair and Brown, the Tory’s Hague, Duncan Smith, Howard and Cameron – and all officials who conspired to prepare the pack of lies which provided the “justification” for the invasion of Iraq.

Is the BNP a left wing or a right wing party? Honestly I think a party like the BNP exposes how antiquated and generally useless the whole left/right paradigm is for todays politics.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:52 PM on 10/23/2009
- Tim303 I'm a Fan of Tim303 83 fans permalink
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They are a right wing party. Plenty of political capital in getting the lumpenproletariat out of foreign wars.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 AM on 10/24/2009
- Takae I'm a Fan of Takae 10 fans permalink

I understand your sincere puzzlement, but the BNP has a long history of rejecting anyone who isn't white and British-born. It was heavily associated with the National Front (please google these far-right organisations).

They historically rejected (and still reject some) Irish people, black people, Asian people, Jewish people, mixed race people, Catholic people, American people (they call them American imperialists), LGBT people, and many others. It doesn't matter to the BNP if these people were born in this country.

They want to keep Britain British, white and Christian, even though Britain has NEVER been all white-and-­Christian. The BNP has a very selective view of British history; they ignore some historical truths, such as the entire (and multicultural) Roman history in this country.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 PM on 10/24/2009

The left wing fascists are embraced, the right wing fascists are shunned, so much for balance.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 10/23/2009
- lthuedk 1 I'm a Fan of lthuedk 1 45 fans permalink
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You mean it's happening there too?!?!?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:55 PM on 10/23/2009
- mcvet I'm a Fan of mcvet 16 fans permalink

Is there anyway to make sure our Tea Baggers and Birthers Read this. It would be so helpful if they actually understood what a Nazi really is.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 PM on 10/23/2009
- Lyr I'm a Fan of Lyr 35 fans permalink

The BNP is far right? They are committed socialists!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 PM on 10/23/2009
- bgladish I'm a Fan of bgladish 5 fans permalink

Lyr, get with the program! Socialists we like are "progressives" or "liberals" and socialists we don't like, eg. Mussolini, Franco and this guy, are "far-right" or "fascist." The difference is not in their political outlook, just that they held/hold certain collateral views we find unsavory.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 PM on 10/23/2009
- Tim303 I'm a Fan of Tim303 83 fans permalink
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No--Hitler branded himself as a national socialist. But read this:
"The national government will maintain and defend the
foundations on which the power of our nation rests. It will offer
strong protection to Christianity as the very basis of our collective
morality. Today Christians stand at the head of our country. We want to
fill our culture again with the Christian spirit. We want to burn out
all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theatre, and
in the press — in short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality
which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of
LIBERAL excess during the past years" — Adolph Hitler (Taken from The
Speeches of Adolph Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1, Michael Hakeem, Ph.D.
(London, Oxford University Press, 1942), pp. 871-872.)

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 AM on 10/24/2009
- expired I'm a Fan of expired 25 fans permalink

Fw: News from The Hill: Pelosi calls an emergency meeting on 'robust' public

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 10/23/2009
- Cryostatic I'm a Fan of Cryostatic 22 fans permalink

The fact that a politician can be openly racist in the UK is absolutely astounding.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 AM on 10/23/2009
- Horst I'm a Fan of Horst 24 fans permalink

LOL...only the Royal Family is allowed that privilege...

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 AM on 10/25/2009
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