Seething Dems Hit Back At Report That Public Option Is Dead In House

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First Posted: 10-23-09 09:56 AM   |   Updated: 10-23-09 10:21 AM

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Democratic lawmakers including House Speaker Nancy Pelosi are adamantly pushing back against reports that she does not have the necessary votes to pass a robust public option and is poised to abandon the provision.

"Speculation that a final decision has been made about the public option are not accurate," read a statement issued by the Speaker's deputy communications director
Nadeam Elshami. "We continue to work with all the members of the caucus to build consensus."

"It's not true. No decisions have been made," said Kristie Greco, spokeswoman for Rep. Jim Clyburn (D-S.C.)

Rep. Donna Edwards (D-M.D.), meanwhile, told The Huffington Post that Pelosi did not tell the caucus that a robust public option was dead Thursday night.

The remarks, offered early on Friday morning, were a quick effort at damage control after Politico reported that Pelosi had determined that a "robust public option" could not get the 218 votes in the House needed for passage. The alternative approach, it was reported, would be a "trigger" option for a government plan.

In private, aides were seething that the story was based on politically motivated leaks if not sheer speculation. A Hill aide wrote in to say: "The leadership did not tell progressives last night that the robust public option is off the table. The votes are still being counted."

At the very least, the story as well as the reaction it engendered shows just how frantic and constantly evolving the reporting on the health care reform debate has become. In addition to Politico's story, several other publications reported that in meetings with Senate Democratic leaders, President Obama himself pushed for the "trigger" compromise. The New York Times, meanwhile, reported that Obama "did not express a preference" on what kind of public option (if any) he would like to see in the Senate's final health care package.

Indeed, a Senate aide whose boss was in the meeting said that Obama was "non-committal" on which approach he preferred, though he was "skeptical" on a proposal that would allow states to opt-out of a national public plan. Another aide whose boss was also in the room said that Obama "stopped short" of embracing the so-called trigger idea.

Exactly where deliberations stand is, indeed, quite difficult to pin down. But sources inside and out of government vehemently stress that talk of a trigger proposal is -- at this point -- off base. For starters, Pelosi doesn't need to go there.

"It makes no sense that she'd count votes, come up a few short, and just call it a day," said one Democratic health care strategist. "The debate in the House is over either a national public option, available everywhere, that pays Medicare +5 rates or a national public option available everywhere that has to negotiate rates. And that's only if the horse-trading doesn't come up with votes. [Pelosi] probably only needs at most a dozen - and the horse trading could involve other issues besides health care or the public option... the idea that the compromise will be a trigger is nuts."

Secondly, the Senate itself doesn't seem inclined to go for the trigger approach either. According to several sources, Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) stands just a few votes short (one or two, really) of the 60 needed to pass a public plan with an opt-out clause. The work right now is to get those remaining votes not, necessarily, to scrap the work already done in favor of pushing a trigger proposal (which, it should be noted, is the preference of the lone Republican on board -- Sen. Olympia Snowe).


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- ElsaIndy I'm a Fan of ElsaIndy 15 fans permalink

Put healthcare in the budget. Then work on reform. Cost containment can only be done when healthcare is not open-ended. Soaring healthcare costs consume close to 20% of our GNP. This is never discussed. This healthcare talk is nonsense unless there is discussion of how healthcare is to be financed. There is NO medicare savings ,as Obama wants, to pay for healthcare reform.

It is time for Congress and the President to stop playing games. Real reform means putting healthcare in the budget. There is no free lunch. There is no free health care.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 AM on 10/26/2009
- rkimball I'm a Fan of rkimball 4 fans permalink

pelosi comes out almost daily, she could care less about public opinion. public opinion is dead.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:04 AM on 10/26/2009
- lifeagain I'm a Fan of lifeagain 28 fans permalink

What's taking so long Nancy. I thought you had the votes. I thought this was to be over with earlier in the week? You pretty silent over it... Is it because you don't have the votes.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 AM on 10/25/2009
- lthuedk 1 I'm a Fan of lthuedk 1 47 fans permalink
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Time to get mean, Nancy.

http://www.light-to-dark.com/Let_Cigna_Decide.html

Remove the blood-sucking middle man.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 PM on 10/24/2009
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We the people need some of these to keep transparency alive in Washington ...

http://video.designworldonline.com/bugbots.html

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 PM on 10/24/2009
- idisVA I'm a Fan of idisVA 39 fans permalink

mischief-making abound, progressives in the House are determined to ensure passage of their bill with the public option.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 AM on 10/24/2009
- Prakosh I'm a Fan of Prakosh 196 fans permalink
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Is the "Public Option" even "public" or an "option" if it is run by a private insurance company?

How meaningful is health care reform if the Public Option is privatized?

The public option will not look like Medicare, it will not even be a government run program.

The government will be privatizing the public option, farming it out to a private insurance company or companies to run. Looks like the people are getting snookered one more time.

http://rawstory.com/2009/10/public-option-managed-private-insurance-company/

Sourced from Washington Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/23/AR2009102304081_pf.html

And Physicians for a National Health Program:

http://pnhp.org/blog/2009/09/13/sullivan-publicoptionin3200unlikemedicare/

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 AM on 10/24/2009
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It's also not an "option" if only certain uninsured or sufficiently-poor people are allowed to choose it. Single-payer is looking better and better. But if it's also privately run, as your sources suggest, it will tend to imitate the other insurance companies and their rotten practices. It's not another choice if you can't choose it and it's not different. Excellent points.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 PM on 10/24/2009
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You're right: "Any public plan is likely to have a relatively narrow scope, as it would be offered only to people who don't have access to coverage through an employer." - Washington Post
So the public option is really just an extension of Medicare. That plays into the hands of Republicans, who will attack it as an expensive nerw social program -- which it is ! -- and because it's unavailable to most people, right-wingers can rile up the non-poor against the poor, as usual. Great strategy, Democrats.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 PM on 10/24/2009
- mergina I'm a Fan of mergina 83 fans permalink
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POST THE NAMES OF ALL WHO OPPOSE A ROBUST P.O. IN A REFORM BILL THAT WORKS FOR AMERICANS. GIVE US THEIR NAMES.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 AM on 10/24/2009
- Prakosh I'm a Fan of Prakosh 196 fans permalink
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Looks like almost everybody in Congress...The public option will not look like Medicare, it will not even be a government run program. The public option will be privatized out to one of those same monopolistic companies to run. The taxpayers supported public option will be paying the same exorbitant management salaries that private insurance companies are now paying.

The government will be privatizing the public option, farming it out to a private insurance company or companies to run. Looks like the people are getting snookered one more time.

http://rawstory.com/2009/10/public-option-managed-private-insurance-company/

Sourced from Washington Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/23/AR2009102304081_pf.html

And Physicians for a National Health Program:

http://pnhp.org/blog/2009/09/13/sullivan-publicoptionin3200unlikemedicare/

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 AM on 10/24/2009
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Yes, just look what happened to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Truly

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 10/24/2009
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Really, Republicans shouldn't even be opposing the public option, since it derails real reform -- what they have been doing all along. But they are so knuckle-draggingly opposed to any positive use of government, that they won't even allow a doomed-to-fail public option that would advance their own goals. They should really support it.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 10/24/2009
- windup I'm a Fan of windup 21 fans permalink

They've been saying the public option is dead since the very first time they met to discuss health care reform. It's the old belief that if you say it enough people will resign themselves to it as true. A big miscalculation this time, because it has only served to galvanize people more. I predict that this country is going to erupt if they indeed let the insurance companies win this time. We are too close, and people have been suffering too much.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:10 AM on 10/24/2009
- mergina I'm a Fan of mergina 83 fans permalink
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You must remember...this is all a performance. None of this is being done for the benefit of the American people. It is a game they play to get more and more and more, from the corporations pulling their strings, and to give more and more and more back to them.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 AM on 10/24/2009
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Your theory does explain this madening striptease by the Democrats. Their now-you-see-it, now-you-don't public option is getting tiresome.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 PM on 10/24/2009
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Politico is nothing more than a conveyor of Republican disinformation. They should be treated as such.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 AM on 10/24/2009
- Dbos I'm a Fan of Dbos 26 fans permalink

yep Very right leaning bias

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 PM on 10/25/2009
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So maybe the fact that a majority of Americans oppose the health care bills currently under consideration has convinced some Members of Congress to actually vote as their constituents demand?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 AM on 10/24/2009
- Jesster I'm a Fan of Jesster 34 fans permalink
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Whatever you are referring to - it's certainly not a fact.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 AM on 10/24/2009

Where on Earth did you get that idea?

Wait, I know Fox (supported by some bogus Rasmussen Poll), right?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 AM on 10/25/2009
- FogBelter I'm a Fan of FogBelter 266 fans permalink
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I wish someone in the Progressive Caucus would start leaking the names of the holdouts so we can start identifying Primary Challengers for their seats.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 PM on 10/23/2009
- Jesster I'm a Fan of Jesster 34 fans permalink
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THAT would most expedient. It's already getting late begin launching authentic grassroot movements to uproot those elected representatives (in boths houses) who fail to comprehend who they actually represent and work for. We haven't got a moment left to lose.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 AM on 10/24/2009
- Jesster I'm a Fan of Jesster 34 fans permalink
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(Pardon the typos)

But I do think part of the problem in getting the names of the human obstacles to genuine health care reform may be because so many of them are flip-flopping on a dialy, maybe hourly basis.

This, of course is strong evidence of both cowardice and lack of any kind of true committment. The more I think about it the more infuriating it is.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 AM on 10/24/2009
- jpmccn I'm a Fan of jpmccn 2 fans permalink
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Excellent Democratic leadership in both the House and Senate?! Duh.. you're blowing it Nancy and Harry!!!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:27 PM on 10/23/2009
- lynettema I'm a Fan of lynettema 54 fans permalink

The RW is always claiming that America is the best. Well, when it comes to health care, we are #37. They love being the #1 military power. Health care reform over 10 years will cost about the same as one year of the Mid East wars. When the military wants more money, troops the RW cheers yet doesn't want its own citizens to be in good health. The RW cries "socialism" and the military is the biggest socialist institution in our country. The irony is overwhelming.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:10 PM on 10/23/2009
- jimme I'm a Fan of jimme 8 fans permalink

I,for one,am getting tired of the they will they won't that is in print every single day. It seems to switch just to garner headlines and the information is always from an anonymous source who's not allowed to speak on the subject but there they are talking about the subject. How about the media just let them do their job and quit speculating on the outcome.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:34 PM on 10/23/2009
- lynettema I'm a Fan of lynettema 54 fans permalink

The RW which sadly includes much of the media is pulling out all the stops to halt health care reform. That the media would lie about reform or report the lies of opponents of reform is hardly surprising.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 PM on 10/23/2009
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