Northwest Pilots Who Overshot Minneapolis Airport Say They Were Working On Laptops

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JOAN LOWY | 10/26/09 09:53 PM | AP

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WASHINGTON — Not sleeping, the pilots say. They were engrossed in a complicated new crew-scheduling program on their laptop computers as their plane flew past its Minneapolis landing by 150 miles – a cockpit violation of airline policy that could cost them their licenses.

They were so focused on the scheduling – quite a complicated matter for the pilots after Delta Air Lines acquired Northwest Airlines a year ago – that they were out of communication with air traffic controllers and their airline for more than an hour. They didn't realize their mistake until contacted by a flight attendant about five minutes before the flight's scheduled landing last Wednesday night, the National Transportation Safety Board said Monday.

By then, Northwest Flight 188 with its 144 passengers and five crew members was over Wisconsin, at 37,000 feet.

The pilots – Richard Cole of Salem, Ore., the first officer, and Timothy Cheney of Gig Harbor, Wash., the captain – denied they had fallen asleep as aviation experts have suggested, the safety board said in recounting investigators' interviews with the men over the weekend.

Instead, Cole and Cheney said they both had their laptops out while the first officer, who had more experience with scheduling, instructed the captain on monthly flight crew scheduling.

A number of aviation experts – and people wondering about their next airline flights – have been suggesting it was more plausible that the pilots had fallen asleep during the San Diego-to-Minneapolis flight than that they had become so focused on a conversation that they lost awareness of their surroundings for such a lengthy period of time.

Air traffic controllers in Denver and Minneapolis repeatedly tried without success to raise the pilots by radio. Other pilots in the vicinity tried reaching the plane on other radio frequencies. Their airline tried contacting them using a radio text message that chimes.

Authorities became so alarmed that National Guard jets were readied for takeoff at two locations and the White House Situation Room alerted senior officials, who monitored the airliner as the Airbus A320 flew across a broad swath of the mid-continent out of contact with anyone on the ground.

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"It's inexcusable," said former NTSB Chairman Jim Hall. "I feel sorry for the individuals involved, but this was certainly not an innocuous event – this was a significant breach of aviation safety and aviation security."

Delta said in a statement that using laptops or engaging in activity unrelated to the pilots' command of the aircraft during flight is strictly against the airline's flight deck policies. The airline said violations of that policy will result in termination.

There are no federal rules that specifically ban pilots' use of laptops or other personal electronic devices as long as the plane is flying above 10,000 feet, said Diane Spitaliere, a Federal Aviation Administration spokeswoman.

"I think it depends upon how it's being used," Spitaliere said.

The Air Transport Association, a trade group that represents major U.S. airlines, expects pilots to comply with federal regulations and airline policies, but hasn't taken a position on the use of electronic devices by pilots while in the cockpit, ATA spokeswoman Elizabeth Merida said.

Delta has suspended the two pilots pending an investigation into the incident. FAA is also investigating and has warned Cheney and Cole their pilot licenses could be suspended or revoked.

Pilots' schedules are tied to their seniority, which also determines the aircraft they fly. Those at the top of the list get first choice on vacations, the best routes and the bigger planes that they get paid more for flying. Following Delta Air Lines' acquisition of Northwest, an arbitration panel ruled that the pilot seniority lists at the two carriers should be integrated based on pilots' status and aircraft category.

Cheney and Cole are both experienced pilots, according to the NTSB. Cheney, 53, was hired by Northwest in 1985 and has about 20,000 hours of flying time, about half of which was in the A320. Cole, 54, had about 11,000 hours of flight time, including 5,000 hours in the A320.

Both pilots told the board they had never had an accident, incident or violation, the board said.

The pilots acknowledged that while they were engaged in working on their laptops they weren't paying attention to radio traffic, messages from their airline or their cockpit instruments, the board said. That's contrary to one of the fundamentals of commercial piloting, which is to keep attention focused on monitoring messages from controllers and watching flight displays in the cockpit.

"It is unsettling when you see experienced pilots who were not professional in flying this flight," said Kitty Higgins, a former NTSB board member. "This is clearly a wakeup call for everybody."

Sen. Amy Klobuchar, D-Minn., called the incident "the ultimate case of distracted driving, only this time it was distracted flying."

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AP Airlines Writer Harry R. Weber contributed to this report from Atlanta.

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WASHINGTON — Not sleeping, the pilots say. They were engrossed in a complicated new crew-scheduling program on their laptop computers as their plane flew past its Minneapolis landing by 150 mile...
WASHINGTON — Not sleeping, the pilots say. They were engrossed in a complicated new crew-scheduling program on their laptop computers as their plane flew past its Minneapolis landing by 150 mile...
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Distracted by work scheduling software. Yeah. Sure.


See:

http://notionscapital.wordpress.com/2009/10/27/distracted-flying/

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 PM on 10/31/2009
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First, they tell us they were talking--something like a heated discussion, or some such; now they tell us they were on their laptops. Am I the only one who is seeing a pattern of B*S here? "Oh! We weren't sleeping, we were _________(insert excuse)." Whatever! They just were not paying attention, just like so many in the skyways or on the highways. . .doing something other than paying attention to the main, most important thing.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 AM on 10/27/2009
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And to think I used to be concerned about people who text while driving!
I mean, yeah I still worry about being T-boned by a fast moving Lexus but there ain't a damn thing you can do about a 747 dropping out of the sky because the pilots were "checking their schedules"
(new way of saying "whacking off to pr0n") in the COCK-pit.

Methinks it is way past time to disable a lot of those automated features and put pilots back to the job of ACTUALLY FLYING A PLANE. Edward Teller used to say that the reason nuclear reactors were so dangerous was partly because they were so safe that people became complacent.

Well....this is complacency's new poster child.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:00 AM on 10/27/2009
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More like two 747s . . . theirs and the one they fly into.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 AM on 10/27/2009
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So how many days have elapsed since the incident?
And laptops is the best they could come up with?

Really....

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 AM on 10/27/2009
- newtom I'm a Fan of newtom 15 fans permalink

Making a call or texting while driving is illegal yet pilots (and police, btw) can use their laptops? Ok... Please explain how this makes any sense whatsoever.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 AM on 10/27/2009
- Lilly-G I'm a Fan of Lilly-G 22 fans permalink

They should be fired - for not flying the plane and for lying to authorities. I'd think the airline would want to save its reputation.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 AM on 10/27/2009

Fire those nincompoops!!!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:10 AM on 10/27/2009

How times have changed. In the old days, they might have been lap dancing with the "stews".

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 AM on 10/27/2009
- ray01 I'm a Fan of ray01 24 fans permalink

repost


Can one connect to the internet at 35,000 feet doing 550 mph? Anyone out there?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:39 AM on 10/27/2009
- newtom I'm a Fan of newtom 15 fans permalink

Of course. The signals travel at the speed of light -- slightly faster than 550 mph. Delta (and other) commercial airlines now offer in-flight internet connection for passengers.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 AM on 10/27/2009
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Sure. Speed and altitude don't affect radio transmissions (WiFi is radio). Many airlines are rolling out in-flight WiFi. The signal comes from land-based towers.

(Technology isn't the issue, it's credibility. Why did they ignore repeated visual (text) and audible attempts to communicate by air traffic control for over an hour? There's only one *credible* reason for that, and it has nothing to do with figuring out "work regulations." If you're working, you still pick up the phone when it rings. They were sleeping.)

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 AM on 10/27/2009
- ray01 I'm a Fan of ray01 24 fans permalink

Wide Stance Thanks for the clarification. If what you suggest is true...that the pilots were sleeping... the cover story of working on the computers would serve to deflect a public outcry. The airline executives might back it up publicly keeping in mind the adverse effect
the truth would have on the value of Northwestern stock.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 AM on 10/27/2009
- dwill123 I'm a Fan of dwill123 5 fans permalink
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They were working on their online degree from University of Phoenix so they could get a better paying job.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 AM on 10/27/2009
- ray01 I'm a Fan of ray01 24 fans permalink

Funny!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 10/27/2009
- rsaillant1 I'm a Fan of rsaillant1 25 fans permalink
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Here's a quick and easy solution. Have the FAA impound their laptops,
hand them over to qualified technicians who can verify usage. Date: Time: & Programs:
that were in use during the flight....if they were. No need to rely on their testimony, the facts are
recorded on the hard drives.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:05 AM on 10/27/2009
- jaylo I'm a Fan of jaylo 8 fans permalink

Who cares what they were doing, what is important is they weren't flying the plane. Sack them.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 AM on 10/27/2009
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I agree to point, the passengers were just as much at risk from their inattentiveness regardless of what it was that caused them to be inattentive.

However, when it comes to adjudication, there are shades of negligence. Drinking while [_x_], for example, is worse than most sober acts alone. If adding alcohol to most behaviors makes it "more negligent," that is proof of concept.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 AM on 10/27/2009
- NALLY I'm a Fan of NALLY 5 fans permalink

One small point, that was their personal laptop, thus the FAA can't impound it. Only if the pilots allow them access.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 AM on 10/27/2009
- newtom I'm a Fan of newtom 15 fans permalink

Ever hear of a warrant?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 AM on 10/27/2009
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That point is made very very small by virtue of something called a CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION made possible by a search warrant.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 AM on 10/27/2009
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Was everyone ok, then who cares. News should be that they don't get paid enough for making sure people are safe in the air. I wish the main stream media spent as much time investigating what really happened on 9-11 and who was truely responsible.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:05 AM on 10/27/2009

I don't understand why if they were conversing during that time, why their speech was not recorded on the cockpit recorder. If they aren't paid enough, then seek another line of work.
And how do you ignore radio communication?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 AM on 10/27/2009

You can't blame this on them being high? If they were high they would have been paying more attention! Paranoia and all...

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 AM on 10/27/2009
- cloudmaker I'm a Fan of cloudmaker 63 fans permalink
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The pilots say they were working on their laptops and the lazy media report that as fact. What is the point of having news outlets if they are going to buy every story they are fed? It would be great if the news media could develop something they haven't shown in ages: healthy skepticsm.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:01 AM on 10/27/2009
- heidiMT I'm a Fan of heidiMT 21 fans permalink
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It is not the media's job to develop skepticism, that is your job. The media is not stating that it is fact that the pilots were using laptops, The media is reporting what the pilots are saying they were doing. You need to develop the skill of reviewing what is reported and then drawing your own conclusion. Expecting the media to draw conclusions for you is lazy and dangerous. Think for yourself please.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 AM on 10/27/2009

lofty request for this toilet

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 AM on 10/27/2009
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Hmmm. "It is not the media's job to develop skepticism, that is your job."

I disagree: that's both of our jobs, the media and mine/yours. This gets to a more fundamental question of what should the role of the media be? I don't find a "dumb pipe" useful, so I tend to ignore those sources, and look for insight. I want analysis to complement my own.

For example, should the media report press releases as fact, as "news"? (It happens hundreds of times a day.)

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 AM on 10/27/2009
- cloudmaker I'm a Fan of cloudmaker 63 fans permalink
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Heidi, maybe that's how people think in your Alpine village but I expect the news to do more than repeat what they are told. Thank you for the scolding. You can go back to your yodeling class.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 PM on 10/27/2009
- vippy I'm a Fan of vippy 65 fans permalink

Will the public hear the truth about this incident? As our HERO SULLY said the airlines are firing the good pilots and retaining or hiring the bad. How about the last article we read here that an airline
pilot has to have 2 jobs now in order to make a living with only $ 17,000 annually? Someone needs to shed light on the hiring practices/wage schedules of our commercial airlines?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 AM on 10/27/2009
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