Reid Presses Forward With Public Option, But Trigger Vote Still Likely

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First Posted: 10-26-09 11:24 AM   |   Updated: 10-26-09 03:24 PM

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Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), on Monday, will introduce a health care bill that includes a public option for insurance coverage with a state opt-out clause, leadership sources tell the Huffington Post.

The move is a bold one on Reid's part, going against the skepticism of the White House that such a provision can overcome a Republican filibuster. But aides stress that he sees a path forward for getting the necessary 60 votes. The Nevada Democrat is hosting a press conference at 3:15 p.m. to announce the decision, though details are expected to be at a minimal for the moment.

Reid's decision to push for a public option with a state opt-out does not mean that the most-often-discussed alternative -- a public plan triggered by economic conditions -- is now dead in the water.

There is a byzantine set of parliamentary hurdles that remain in the process of getting health care reform legislation passed. Should Reid introduce a bill with an opt-out (and all indications point to him doing so late Monday afternoon or early Tuesday morning) it would set a baseline for the Senate going forward. But high-ranking aides on the Hill note that it's still possible that conservative Democrats will introduce an amendment to the bill that would drop the opt-out provision and replace it with a trigger proposal (which is the preferred choice of the one potential Republican vote: Sen. Olympia Snowe of Maine). Indeed, it seems increasingly certain such a vote will occur.

As Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-MO.) told ABC's This Week -- and Democratic aides confirmed -- Reid will likely "end up... having votes on a number of choices" including a public plan that states could opt into, one they could opt out of, and a plan that would be triggered in "if these insurance companies don't manage to bring down costs within a certain period of time."

It is unlikely that 60 Senators would support an amendment replacing the opt-out with the trigger (a progressive bloc would likely defect). But, even after that vote takes place, other critical hurdles remain. For starters, the Congressional Budget Office has to score the final bill. And once it does Reid will need to craft a filibuster-proof majority for the overall bill to come to an up-or-down vote (he is reportedly a handful of Senators short at this point). Once the Senate settles and passes a variation of health care legislation, it will have to be merged with the one passed by the House of Representatives.

Those merger talks, Senate aides say, are likely to end up being even more heated than the ones currently being waged within the Senate itself. The White House, which has continued to work with Snowe on structuring a trigger proposal, will find an even greater uphill battle with the House, which is all but certain to pass some form of a national public option -- without an opt-out provision for states.

Finally, considering that the House-Senate merger talks represent the last chance for lawmakers to tinker with the legislative product, there is wide expectation that the president's engagement will be far more aggressive than ever before.

"I really believe is that the time will come for the White House to get engaged," Rep. Jim Clyburn told the Bill Press Show last Thursday. "I do believe that if the president were to get engaged too much with the Senate, I for one would be a little concerned about him not allowing the House to be as creative as we can be. If he were to get involved in the House then the Senate would be upset. So I really believe that the time for the president and White House to be engaged is when both houses have finished their work and then we go into negotiating a final product in conference."

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), on Monday, will introduce a health care bill that includes a public option for insurance coverage with a state opt-out clause, leadership sources tell the H...
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), on Monday, will introduce a health care bill that includes a public option for insurance coverage with a state opt-out clause, leadership sources tell the H...
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Taxing high cost (Cadillac) policies will force the average household to accept inadequate coverage and stay where we are already, "UNDER COVERED", and foster the high deductibles we already pay, and still not getting needed treatment. Allowing states to "opt out" simply means the majority of them will continue to support the insurance companies statewide because of campaign $ concerns, and in Texas where Repub's rule, but don't represent the majority, we will definitely be "opted out" from the beginning and reform will MEAN NOTHING to Texas residents. (John Cornyn does NOT properly represent needs of Texas citizens and Congress should stop giving his opinions credence.) The opt-out clause will also likely double the number of Insurance lobbyists descending on state legislatures in individual states. Our representatives MUST do the right thing for the PEOPLE and fulfill the President’s campaign promises for REAL insurance coverage for ALL Americans, not COMPROMISE that only covers your a$$es while you prostitute to the Insurance industry, and do NOTHING for the people. It's time to step up guys, and do the RIGHT THING. It’s imperative to drive down costs, not only for the people, but to keep from bankrupting the country… stop covering you’re a$$es and keep your eye on the ball, not the side shows.
This is the most important legislation of our time. Please don’t let us down at this critical time in history.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:10 PM on 10/27/2009
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It's simple - the opt-out is a cop-out.

It allows everyone who votes for it to cover their @$$es with their constituencies.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 10/27/2009
- Hopeforu I'm a Fan of Hopeforu 5 fans permalink

We should be able to decide for ourselves if the Public Option is for us--individually.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 AM on 10/27/2009

2,048,244 Votes for McCain in Georgia
1,843,452 Votes for Obama in Georgia

We are all Americans and deserve a single payer, but at least a public option.

Why again should red state democrats who voted for change NOT receive a public option again? Why almost 2 million people that voted for change be left out because we can't unset a republican majority? Why should blue state's republicans receive it?

Sometimes progressives forget there are progressives fighting the good fight down here. Many are gleeful that red state republican voters are going to get what's coming to them, the down south progressives are easily tossed under the bus. Blue state dems and progressives are sounding as selfish and callous as most republicans on this issue.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:07 AM on 10/27/2009
- Ifticar2 I'm a Fan of Ifticar2 19 fans permalink
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I am surprised that Harry waiting so long. He is way behind in the polls in his home state, Nevada. He is almost certain not to be re-elected. Knowing this, he should have been willing to go out this partisan limb months ago.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 AM on 10/27/2009
- xlntcat I'm a Fan of xlntcat 85 fans permalink

Well Ensign's parent's must be counting on his being around for a while since they donated the maximum to Reid's campaign. It would be interesting to find out if they donated to Barbara Boxer also since she chair the Senate Ethics Committee. These people are going to go broke trying to cover for their C Street boy.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:43 AM on 10/27/2009
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Harry Ried showed us some leadership today! Today I an extremely proud to be a Nevadan. I will help Sen. Reid get Re-Elected in any way I can.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 AM on 10/27/2009
- hoobit I'm a Fan of hoobit 46 fans permalink

How in the world did we let this issue go from comprehensive *R E F O R M* to a surrender and roll-over to the wishes of the insurance companies?

It's almost as if we're all, individually, victims of domestic violence - we sure act like it.

We don't DARE do anything that might uspet the one(s) who abuses us; whatever the insurance companies say, we'll fall all over ourselves to do. Whatever they want, we'll unquestioningly go along with. As long as we don't get them angry, things'll be fine. As long as *we* are nice, maybe they'll be nice --this time-- to us. Maybe if *we* just... maybe if *we* don't... maybe if...

And our 'leaders'? they are 'helping' us? I think not. They're like the 'counselor' who tells the abused person to go back, one more time, into the situation in which they were abused; that things *will* get better if they just give it time. Well, you know what? Things will NOT get better. Not ever. Not as long as the abuser holds *any* power over the abused. Fact.

And we will NEVER have health care reform in this country as long as the abuser/health insurance companies holds ANY power over any of us.

Does *anyone* making (literally) life-altering decisions on this issue have the slightest clue about the incredible amount of damage *not* having universal health care *in* this nation is doing *to* our nation?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 AM on 10/27/2009
- Tim303 I'm a Fan of Tim303 83 fans permalink
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Okay--I'll just put the kettle on while more people die in the name of not soiling your ideological purity.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 AM on 10/27/2009

Blame the change president, Obama. Once he won the election with a mandate for change, he acts as if he is the minority government that need the Republicans. He can't push his own Blue Dogs Dems let alone a bipartisan consensus!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:07 AM on 10/27/2009
- DIAGUY I'm a Fan of DIAGUY 7 fans permalink

The reasons for their inaction are simple; They want re-elected !! Many believe the public option would be great but they only represent 36% of 'likely voters'. Pelosi thinks if we only rename the "public option" that many more would be in favor of it. She went on to say that the word "public" gives people the impression that taxpayer money would be used to pay for it. LOL !!! Is she joking ??? Maybe she knows that Chinese $$$ will be used and that she thinks it never needs to be repaid. Are members of congress subject to mandatory drug testing ???

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:37 AM on 10/27/2009

Amen!

Obama's political cowardice is matched only by his dishonesty. Obama was NEVER the progressive, liberal he pretended to be during the primaries. The man is a fraud.

Keep the change.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:39 AM on 10/27/2009
- yankee222 I'm a Fan of yankee222 9 fans permalink

Obama is to blame. His leadership failure is just stunning and will be taught in political science classes for decades.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:39 AM on 10/27/2009
- ChelseaC I'm a Fan of ChelseaC 147 fans permalink
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Bold?
LOL!
Opt out. Great.....­..........­.....

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 AM on 10/27/2009
- Actionmac I'm a Fan of Actionmac 10 fans permalink
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Please tell me what is so bold about Reid doing his job without Obama telling him to. This BS is like saying a man is great for making sure his family has a roof over their head.

Please, Reid finally got out of his funk and did what he was supposed to do months ago.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 AM on 10/27/2009
- Ifticar2 I'm a Fan of Ifticar2 19 fans permalink
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The near certainty that he will not be re-elected has emboldened him. He has nothing to loose by helping team progressive.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 AM on 10/27/2009
- xlntcat I'm a Fan of xlntcat 85 fans permalink

You are listening to Stein again after the White House clearly corrected his misrepresentation of Obama's position. The White House stated over the weekend that Reid had their full support.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 AM on 10/27/2009
- KathyinCT I'm a Fan of KathyinCT 47 fans permalink


So intriguing everyone -- including Sam Stein -- dutifully falls for the "Obama doesn't want a public option" fiction.

No appreciation these days of strategy.

If Obama were to publicly come out strong for a public option, the right wingers would go after him with axes.

So he wisely stays "nom-commital" and lets Reid and others take lead. So it is A public option, not Obama's public option.

And ANYONE who thinks Reid would do this on his own,without being in close communication with the White House, thinks there's a Santa Claus,too.

Does no one understand the art of politics anymore?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 AM on 10/27/2009
- ChelseaC I'm a Fan of ChelseaC 147 fans permalink
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I would not be critical of Sam Stein--we still don't know what this "public option" is going to look like--besides, I like SS.
So before you get all pee-in-you­r-pants-ex­cited, let's see if this is going to be REAL reform or a legislative pile of dung made up of a public option for window dressing leaving the insurance cartel in the driver's seat.
According to Rachel Maddow, 9 out of 10 people WILL NOT be able to join the "public option"--does that sounds so good to you? Not to me. Unless is open to all, it's not real competition.

THINK CRITICALLY--just for a moment--why would we need a "public option" if we already have MEDICARE that is established--clean up MEDICARE and expand it? Why aren't they doing that? Why is there SCHIP and Medicaid too, and yet they're proposing a new buracracy? Why, when there's Medicare?
This is what I think, most of out leaders don't have the guts to expand MEDICARE because they know that would be way too much competition for the insurance cartel and since they want the cartel to stay in business, they'll give us a window dressing "public option" that will be weak and the vastly majority of the pop. can't join--all in the name of saying they did something.
The only trustworth Dems are those who stand by HR-676.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 AM on 10/27/2009
- ChelseaC I'm a Fan of ChelseaC 147 fans permalink
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"If Obama were to publically come out strong for a public option, the right ringers would go after him with axes"



But, but, but, isn't that why we elected him?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 AM on 10/27/2009
- xlntcat I'm a Fan of xlntcat 85 fans permalink

We elected him to get things done. Dealing with the House and the Senate is like dealing with pre-schoolers and kindergarten kids. If he become overly involved with either, the other one rebels. The time for Obama to come out full force is during the merging of the bills if we get that far. There is a long way to go. Remember that the previous administration abused their power and tried to be the boss of congress. Congress shares equal power with the exeuctive branch.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:49 AM on 10/27/2009

Isn't there always an excuse when President Obama hides from taking a stand on something he promised voters he would take a stand on?

Keep the change.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 AM on 10/27/2009
- Hopeforu I'm a Fan of Hopeforu 5 fans permalink

You people apparently don't play chess-----Just checkers!!!!!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:15 AM on 10/27/2009

If that is Obama's strategy then it will come a time when he has to come out and supports the public option, which is right now. Let's see if his true intention is as you and others, who acted as his mind readers, said. The truth will come out! After he had the behind the scene agreement with the pharmaceutical companies which has the effect of undercutting the public option's success, what he will do next to support a public option, if he really does! Now it the time for him to show leadership. What is a President for in a time like this? Leadership!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:16 AM on 10/27/2009
- lisa010 I'm a Fan of lisa010 4 fans permalink

No they don't!

Few have participated in an active role thus can't really understand the nuances of governing.

Doubt many have attended a single, much less more than one, local government meeting whether it's a selectmen's meeting, town council meeting, city council meeting, ...

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:26 AM on 10/27/2009
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The scarecrow found his courage !
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    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 PM on 10/26/2009
- lizr I'm a Fan of lizr 221 fans permalink
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more guts than Obama at the moment, with Rahm the naysayer in charge.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 AM on 10/27/2009
- Ifticar2 I'm a Fan of Ifticar2 19 fans permalink
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The scarecrow took a look at his polls in Nevada. He saw he was a short timer. Nothing to loose.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 AM on 10/27/2009
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middleofthemiddle I'm a Fan of middleofthemiddle I'm a fan of this user 10 fans permalink

Well good luck at the cemetery. You might want to take something warm with you.

i am so sorry. Why do you have to be so disrespectful? I know dey says that untrue stuff about herself but that gives you no right to follow her around and bother her.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:15 PM on 10/26/2009
- chancho24 I'm a Fan of chancho24 112 fans permalink
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Goo ol Bush for brains is saying he is confident that he made the right decisions on Iraq and Afghanistan. Gotta hand it to him, he's one determined man when it comes to deluding oneself out of reality... no matter what.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 PM on 10/26/2009
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And I am confident that I was right in my decision not to vote for him twice.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 PM on 10/26/2009
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well my girl is gone so there is no reason to stay here with your ilk, middle.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 PM on 10/26/2009
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To be fair, I'm the only one of my ilk. G'nite little brown shirt.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 PM on 10/26/2009
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this little gem is on the other page -

don't think Sen. Alexander meant it as an encouragement to us, but It is, seems that Medicaid was designed with an opt-out provision --- and states do contribute to its costs

Very interesting.......

"Sen. Lamar Alexander, a Republican leader from Tennessee, said on the Senate floor Monday, in advance of Reid's announcement, that the opt-out provision isn't to be taken seriously. Medicaid, he noted, has an opt-out provision, but not one state has opted out. Public health insurance, in other words, is too popular for states to opt out. "

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 PM on 10/26/2009
- escribacat I'm a Fan of escribacat 285 fans permalink
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I made a comment about that quote and someone answered that Arizona had opted out of Medicaid for a couple years. I never realized Arizona was so messed up.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 AM on 10/27/2009
- Hopeforu I'm a Fan of Hopeforu 5 fans permalink

With party of NO Kyl ANd McCain what do you expect in our ridiculous right wing state!!!!
Hate them!!!!!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 AM on 10/27/2009
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