Reid: "The Public Option With An Opt-Out Is The One That's Fair"

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First Posted: 10-26-09 03:25 PM   |   Updated: 10-26-09 05:03 PM

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The public option lives.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) announced Monday that the bill he will bring to the Senate floor will include a public health insurance option that individual states could decline to participate in.

"I've concluded --with the support of the White House, Senators Dodd and Baucus -- that the best way to move forward is to include a public option with the opt-out provision for states," said Reid, referring to the Senate health and finance committee representatives, respectively, Sen. Chris Dodd (D-Conn.) and Sen. Max Baucus (D-Mont.). "The public option, with an opt-out, is the one that's fair."

Reid has been pushing the so-called opt-out public option for the last several days and has spoken to nearly all 60 members of the Democratic caucus. He needs 60 votes to end an expected Republican filibuster and move the bill to the floor.

"We've spent countless hours over the last few days in consultation with senators who've shown a genuine desire to reform the health care system. And I believe there's a strong consensus to move forward in this direction," Reid said.

By including the public option in the bill before it goes to the floor, Reid is offering conservative Democrats a fig leaf of sorts. They can cast a vote in favor of ending a GOP filibuster -- when 60 votes are required -- but then vote against the public option later when the matter is debated on the floor, and only 50 votes are needed for victory. The move is also a gift to liberals, as the specific provision won't need to reach the traditional 60-vote threshold that is so often the death of genuine reform legislation.

Reid's move is a risky one, as a Senate Democratic leadership aide acknowledged Saturday to HuffPost. "The leadership understands that pushing for a public option is a somewhat risky strategy, but we may be within striking distance. A signal from the president could be enough to put us over the top," said the aide.

CNN reports that White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said in a written statement that President Obama is "pleased that the Senate has decided to include a public option for health coverage." CNN also reports: "An administration official went so far as to call Reid's move 'dangerous' but quickly followed by saying Reid knows his caucus better than anyone and will therefore have the support of the White House."

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With high risk comes high reward, however. The public option's inclusion in the final bill would be one of the most significant progressive legislative achievements since the Great Society. The White House and centrist and conservative Democrats have been frustrated by liberals' strong demand for it, arguing that there is much more to health care than simply the public option and that only 10 to 12 million would be eligible to participate in it. Over the summer, Obama called it a mere "sliver" of reform.

Progressives, however, see the public option as the most realistic way to move the United States toward universal health care. Even those who are not eligible would benefit indirectly, they argue, as health insurance companies would be forced to reduce premiums to stay competitive.

The insurance industry sees the threat of the public option clearly. Karen Ignagni, President and CEO of the lobby group America's Health Insurance Plans (AHIP), blasted Reid's decision.

"A new government-run plan would underpay doctors and hospitals rather than driving real reforms that bring down costs and improve quality. The American people want health care reform that will reduce costs and this plan doesn't do that," she said in a statement. "The divisive debate about a government-run plan is a roadblock to reform. It's time we focus instead on broad-based reforms that will ensure the affordability and sustainability of our health care system."

But the public option is not just longed for by liberals. Recent polls have shown that roughly six in 10 Americans want a public plan that would compete with private insurance. Those polls were heard loudly in Congress. "All the national polls show a wide majority of Americans support the public option," Reid noted.

Reid appears to be within just a few votes of the 60 he needs. Putting the public option into the bill forces those holdouts to show their cards, and dares them to oppose their own leader on the party's most ambitious reform effort in nearly half a century.

Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La.), a public option opponent, has said that while she disagrees with the policy in question, she isn't inclined to join Republicans in sinking the entire reform effort over it.

"I'm not right now inclined to support any filibuster," she told HuffPost last week. The refusal of the GOP to participate meaningfully in negotiations has soured her on joining them in a filibuster. "For the Republican Party to kind of step out of the game is very unfortunate," she said. "I'm not going to be joining people that don't want progress."

Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.), another public option foe, wouldn't commit when asked last week. "I believe in playing chess, but that's about three moves ahead of me, and I'm not prepared to make those moves until I see some other moves in between," he told HuffPost.

Sen. Mark Pryor (D-Ark.), a conservative Democrat, sounded as if he could embrace Reid's strategy after meeting with the leader last week. "I'm open to a public option," he said.

Progressives oppose the opt-out provision that Reid intends to include to win conservative support, arguing that Americans in conservative states that may opt out are in just as much need of a public option as are residents of blue states.

Sen. Lamar Alexander, a Republican leader from Tennessee, said on the Senate floor Monday, in advance of Reid's announcement, that the opt-out provision isn't to be taken seriously. Medicaid, he noted, has an opt-out provision, but not one state has opted out. Public health insurance, in other words, is too popular for states to opt out.

At a meeting at the White House on Thursday evening, Reid told the president that he intended to push forward with the national public option with an opt-out provision. Obama, several sources said, indicated a preference for a "trigger" instead: the public option would only be brought into existence if the insurance industry failed to meet certain criteria in a certain period of time.

Yale professor Jacob Hacker, the intellectual father of the public option, however, dismissed the trigger.

"The trigger is an inside-the-beltway sleight of hand that would protect private insurers from the real competition that a strong public health insurance option would create," he said. "It is unworkable in the current Senate bills, unwise as public policy, and unwanted by the substantial majority of Americans who say they want a straight-up public option."

The public option lives. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) announced Monday that the bill he will bring to the Senate floor will include a public health insurance option that individual stat...
The public option lives. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) announced Monday that the bill he will bring to the Senate floor will include a public health insurance option that individual stat...
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Opt out? Are they crazy? Do you really want to leave this option to the governor, who alone has the power to veto it? Should one person will have the right to deny his entire state public health care? Are we supposed to rely on that person's sense of morality? I got two words for you...Rick Perry. Look, I'm from Texas, and if you know anything about Texas, you know that it's already a dictatorship. This is how it works...the people ask for something, the special interests pay off the governor, then he denies any help to the state based on how much his pockets have been lined. It wont' MATTER what the people vote. They won't have a choice. It will turn health care into a racket all over again, still monopolized by inhuman (or inhumane, however you want to see it) people at the top. There has to be another way.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 PM on 11/20/2009

Trigger? Sorry, no. Opt-out? Sure! Let's see how much stomach Rs have to deny HC to their own people! Fun!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 AM on 11/11/2009

You go Senator Reid! He is facing re-election, please help if you can.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 AM on 11/11/2009

FRANKLY MY DEARS, I DON'T GIVE A D*%M

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 PM on 10/29/2009
- Aerows I'm a Fan of Aerows 50 fans permalink
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Opt-out will pass. Once everyone sees that a public option was good, it will pass again. The insurance companies will play right into their hands. Opt out states will see a massive increase in premiums, the constituency will cry about it, and guess what? Health insurance providers will be forced to either raise rates and get destroyed, or lower rates and accede to the people. They *will* gouge people in states that opt out, though, count on it.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 10/29/2009

So a state opts out of the plan! Are they also allowed to opt out of the taxes and fines?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 AM on 11/05/2009
- tinman1967 I'm a Fan of tinman1967 2 fans permalink

Obama and Rahm have things all lined up and this thing should pass very smoothly. Just don't go rocking the boat over this PO stuff. This will be change but not too much change. We don't need that.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 AM on 10/29/2009
- Aerows I'm a Fan of Aerows 50 fans permalink
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I can always detect a right winger when they start screaming about "Rahm" as though he is the sole creator of all legislation in this country. "Rahm" is Chief of Staff, not elected, but appointed, and possessing no power but to bludgeon the other side with their own stupidity.

Counter? Stop being stupid.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 PM on 10/29/2009

Have any of you who support the public option ever noticed how expensive your medication is? Do you realize that President Obama has already cut a deal with the pharmicutical industry to NOT force them to controll their pricing methods if they will agree to support his health care plan? I have insurance, I have a job, and I while I have no problem seeing a doctor or getting the prescriptions, when it comes time to fill them, if there isn't a generic option, I have to either "opt" out of that medicine or sacrifice something else to pay for it. We don't need the government to be our parents. We don't need them to wipe our butts and noses for us. What we need to do is stop sniveling, stop crying that America isnt doing enough for us get off of our third point of contact, go to work and support ourselves as all of our fore-fathers have done for the last five hundred years. By allowing your insurance company to compete accross state lines, we will lower costs AND keep big brother out of our lives.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 AM on 10/29/2009

socio-poli­tico-babbl­ebalonia

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 AM on 10/29/2009
- cybexg I'm a Fan of cybexg 26 fans permalink

It is a very easy to show (using modern market theory and game theory) that the insurance companies will NEVER compete (in a traditional sense) under normal conditions. The first public presentation of this market analsys (that I am aware of) was in The Economist, Dec 1963 (may have wrong date) and was written by Arrow.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 AM on 10/29/2009

They are not allowed to compete by law!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 AM on 11/05/2009

What I want to know is...if a state decides to opt out of the public option, will the tax payers of that state pay lower taxes or will they still be forced to help pay for it?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 AM on 10/29/2009
- Shwazy I'm a Fan of Shwazy 13 fans permalink

Since the public option, as stated, would be paid for by participants, it is budget-neutral.

So, no nobody is forced to pay for it unless they are on the PO plan. Those who are on the PO plan will pay for it just like any other insurance plan.

We aren't talking about single payer. We are talking about an insurance plan.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 PM on 10/29/2009

"We aren't talking about single payer. We are talking about an insurance plan."

Sure an "insurance plan" designed to destroy all private insurers. Thereby leaving only the Government ie Single Payer. What the President wants!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 AM on 11/05/2009
- Martha601 I'm a Fan of Martha601 12 fans permalink

Do repubs realize that they will NEVER be allowed to opt-out? Yes, most of them that are against it represent a lot of the crazies but just like they didn't want the stimulus money but then couldn't wait to get their hands on it, the same thing will happen with this. The citizens who are uninsured in the states that they represent will put away their Nazi painted Obama signs and sign up for this insurance like the cowards they have proven to be. So, don't worry, they won't opt-out anyway...we will get our public option through this legislation.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 PM on 10/28/2009
- gems I'm a Fan of gems 7 fans permalink
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I hope we do get a public option. We can't let insuance companies in charge of our health.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 PM on 10/28/2009
- tinman1967 I'm a Fan of tinman1967 2 fans permalink

But the last time the government ran anything efficiently was World War II.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 AM on 10/29/2009

It's time that our tax money was spent on the general welfare of the people. That is the only way to achieve a more perfect union. Health care could bring so many good effects and results; it is truly a no brainer. All arguments against health care are only motivated by greed or ignorance. I have a saying; people are not evil they are just stupid, but sometimes even I wonder. I read letters to the editor blaming one party or the other, most of the ideas, you know they heard from media gossip, some quote the Bible. The truth is that it is up to us, we do resemble the Roman Empire and we will never be a Christian nation until we understand that no one mans life (time on earth) is worth more than another’s.
The single payer public option is the only way, call it socialism call it anything you like it is the only fair and Christ like way to go.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 PM on 10/28/2009
- RightsGuy I'm a Fan of RightsGuy 21 fans permalink

The health insurance companies will do anything to maintain their profits, so they bribe Congress. We, the people, need to vote OUT OF OFFICE all those in Congress who go along with this corruption.

BLUE CROSS OF CALIFORNIA, A SUBSIDIARY OF WELLPOINT, ENCOURAGED EMPLOYEES THROUGH PERFORMANCE EVALUATIONS TO CANCEL THE HEALTH INSURANCE POLICIES OF INDIVIDUALS WITH EXPENSIVE ILLNESSES.

One Blue Cross employee earned a perfect score of "5" for "exceptional performance" on an evaluation that noted the employee's role in dropping thousands of policyholders and avoiding nearly $10 million worth of medical care.

Blue Cross of California and two other insurers saved more than $300 million in medical claims by canceling more than 20,000 sick policyholders over a five-year period.

Read more here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/20/AR2009072003363_Comments.html

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 PM on 10/28/2009
- RightsGuy I'm a Fan of RightsGuy 21 fans permalink

Martin Luther King said, "Of all the forms of inequality, injustice in healthcare is the most shocking and inhumane." We must, at a minimum, have a choice of a strong PUBLIC health insurance option, and this PUBLIC option should not be provided by, nor in any way involved with, an insurance company or a group of insurance companies.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 PM on 10/28/2009
- MosesMa I'm a Fan of MosesMa 2 fans permalink
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Yay! I am very proud of our legislators in the Senate being able to include a robust public option into the bill. Like they say, lovers of the law and sausage should never watch either being made. We've been watching this chess game/chinese fire drill, and it looks like we're going to get both sweet and savory. All they have to do is keep the pork out, as tasty as it may be for some!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 AM on 10/28/2009

It seems that some in Congress (the Senate is part of Congress) don't want to understand that the Constitution did not grant the power nor the right to provide insurance for anyone.
Further, if the Congress feels that the insurance that is available to the general public needs some reform, and has the desire to provide the best coverage at the lowest cost, the general public would be offered the same insurance the Congress Critters have.
Thank you,
Robert Walker

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 AM on 10/28/2009

The founding fathers had no idea what or where this country was going. They did not foresee the Civil War nor slavery nor the inequality of opportunity in the USA. So our past deeds have come back to haunt us and we cannot hold to the original concepts as things are lopsided. The opt out option will be a disaster for health care reform as many of the Republican states will opt out as the wealthy will not want to help pay for the poor. In order for the public option to really work we need a robust public option without the opt out clause. As 1% of the people have more money than the other 99% this relationship is making for a class war in economics. I am for capitalism but currently it is full of greed and corruption especially in the health care industry and wall street and this needs to be corrected even if it costs the richest of our people some of their precious money.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 AM on 10/28/2009

This is really a series of foolish comments.
You do realize it is illegal for the Government to compete with business in the nation?
The so called "Public Option" you seek would be one of some 1700 companies. How is it possible that it requires 1701 to make a competitive environment?
Also this additional plan would have an unfair advantage in that it could seek clients, wait they will not need that, in any state. The other 1700 can not do that!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 AM on 11/05/2009

You are 100 % correct, Sir. I am from Texas, and I fear for what happens when they leave it up to the greedy governor and state legislators to decide. It will all funnel into their pockets and the people with get NOTHING. I can't make it much longer without some type of reform, and I agree that the opt out, is the same thing as a cancellation.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 PM on 11/20/2009

I'm reasonably certain the Constitution doesn't mention the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security, the TVA, or any number of programs the government has started. All the Constitution does is express what CAN'T be done.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 AM on 10/28/2009
- tinman1967 I'm a Fan of tinman1967 2 fans permalink

A government is best that governs least.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 AM on 10/29/2009
- cybexg I'm a Fan of cybexg 26 fans permalink

Stupid comment,

Please see Commerce Clause. It is a very easy argument to make that health care impacts interstate commerce. Note, CC legislation (if challenged) is usually subject to a rational standard (lowest standard) by the Supreme Court.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 AM on 10/29/2009
- tinman1967 I'm a Fan of tinman1967 2 fans permalink

Well said.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 AM on 10/29/2009
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