Northwest Pilots' Licenses Are Revoked By FAA

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JOAN LOWY | 10/27/09 10:44 PM | AP

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WASHINGTON — The Federal Aviation Administration on Tuesday revoked the licenses of the two Northwest Airlines pilots who overshot their Minneapolis destination by 150 miles.

The pilots – Timothy Cheney of Gig Harbor, Wash., the captain, and Richard Cole of Salem, Ore., the first officer – told safety investigators they were working on their personal laptop computers and lost track of time and place.

The pilots, who were out of communications with air traffic controllers for 91 minutes, violated numerous federal safety regulations in the incident last Wednesday night, the FAA said in a statement. The violations included failing to comply with air traffic control instructions and clearances and operating carelessly and recklessly, the agency said.

"You engaged in conduct that put your passengers and your crew in serious jeopardy," FAA regional counsel Eddie Thomas said in a letter to Cheney. Northwest Flight 188 was not in communications with controllers or the airline dispatchers "while you were on a frolic of your own. ... This is a total dereliction and disregard for your duties."

A similar letter was sent to Cole.

The pilots said they were brought back to awareness when a flight attendant contacted them on the aircraft's intercom. By then, they were over Wisconsin at 37,000 feet. They turned the Airbus A320 with its 144 passengers around and landed safely in Minneapolis.

The revocations of the pilots' commercial licenses are effective immediately, FAA said.

The pilots have 10 days to appeal the emergency revocations to the National Transportation Safety Board. If that fails, they can apply for a new certificate after one year.

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The pilots' union at Delta Air Lines, which acquired Northwest last year, declined to comment on the revocations. The union had cautioned against a rush to judgment. The pilots told investigators who interviewed them on Sunday that they had no previous accidents or safety incidents.

Delta spokesman Anthony Black said in a statement: "The pilots in command of Northwest Flight 188 remain suspended until the conclusion of the investigations into this incident."

Phone messages left at the homes of the pilots were not immediately returned Tuesday.

One passenger, Lonnie Heidtke of Chippewa Falls, Wis., said he thought it was a stiff penalty for the pilots.

"I feel that the FAA pulling their license seems a little severe, I guess. But at the same time, I think they should not be flying airplanes at least for a while so they have an opportunity to think about this."

The NTSB has not taken or examined the laptops that the pilots were using, spokesman Ted Lopatkiewicz said Tuesday.

"The pilots said they were using them. So I don't know what any examination of them" would do to further the investigation, Lopatkiewicz said.

The pilots failed to respond to numerous radio messages from controllers in Denver and Minneapolis. Other pilots also tried to raise the Northwest pilots, and their airline's dispatchers sent text messages by radio.

Cole and Cheney said they both had their laptops out while the first officer, who had more experience with scheduling, instructed the captain on monthly flight crew scheduling. They said they weren't listening to the radio or watching cockpit flight displays during that period. The plane's radio was also still tuned to the frequency used by Denver controllers after the San Diego-to-Minneapolis flight had flown beyond their reach.

The incident comes only a month after Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood held a meeting in Washington on distracted driving, bringing together researchers, regulators and safety advocates in response to vehicle and train accidents involving texting and cell phone use.

Pilots and aviation safety experts said the episode is likely to cause the NTSB and the FAA to take a hard look at the use of laptops and other personal electronic devices in the cockpit.

There are no federal rules that specifically ban pilots' use of laptops or other personal electronic devices as long as the plane is flying above 10,000 feet, said Diane Spitaliere, an FAA spokeswoman.

Delta said in a statement that using laptops or engaging in activity unrelated to the pilots' command of the aircraft during flight is strictly against the airline's flight deck policies. The airline said violations of that policy will result in termination.

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AP Airlines Writer Joshua Freed in Minneapolis contributed to this report.

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National Transportation Safety Board: http://www.ntsb.gov

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Yeah it would probably be funny if I did not fly all the time. I do see them getting so caught up in their laptops that they lost track of time so much. I think like many others they were sleeping. I also see today the military was never informed, but what baffles me is how come air traffic control did not try to contract them during the 91 minutes they received no contact from the flight.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 PM on 10/29/2009

as with all such things, you can be sure that - whatever actually happened - it wasn't the first time in the history of the airline industry. anytime stuff like this happens, it's usually because similar things happen all the time. these pilots just assumed that nothing bad would happen, because nothing bad has ever happened before, and - after 20 or 30 thousand hours- these guys know that their planes basically fly themselves. personally, I think that they both just fell asleep, each assuming that the other was covering for them. I can't believe that experienced pilots could be that engrossed in their computers that they wouldn't respond to calls from ATC, to which these guys are basically trained, as a conditioned reflex, to stop everything and always answer, no matter what. they probably figured that their jobs were going to be history no matter what they said, so they just picked the least-objectionable explanation, in hopes of maybe being able to work again some time in the future.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 PM on 10/28/2009
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An airline spokesman said Monday the company has sent the passengers on the plane $500 travel vouchers to compensate them for their inconvenience.

144 Passengers x $500= $72,000 in compensation / 2 pilots= $36,000 per pilot for this oversite.
Fire their stupid a$$e$. What airline has $72K to throw down the drain for this kind of selfish behavior?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 AM on 10/28/2009
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This is harsh! And judging from these comments there are a lot of mean people posting.

Planes get diverted all the time. What is 150 miles? 15 minutes.

I hope their union has backbone enough to reinstate these working people. It is criminal to take their living away from them. Its reason why everyone needs a union.

Mean people make up mean governments and mean governments create mean and broken and sick and dead people.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 AM on 10/28/2009
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What planet do you live on? What color is the gas you breathe there?
Do you not get that a vehicle weighing about 145,000 pounds was flying
with the main responsible people effing around, not doing their jobs, with
144 passengers + crew depending on them doing their jobs?

Mean? Unions? If Unions are there to protect potentially criminally negligent employees, then
we need less of those organizations.

I don't want to live on your planet, so go home now.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:51 PM on 10/28/2009
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First and foremost;

I don't think this story is that noteworthy.
I don't think any job is worth working with this kind of consequences.
I don't think the crew nor the passengers were at any danger at any time.

The hype is so unrealistic. And so way far below the dignity of us.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:04 AM on 10/30/2009
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It was 150 miles beyond MSP...so that's 300 miles. No big deal you say?
Well the airline thought it was big enough to give out $72,000 in compensation.
Mean? Do you want to reimburse the airline for their $72K?
I thought not.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 PM on 10/28/2009
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Given all I have heard about this story - I would have an easier time believing that they were out there searching for Balloon Boy!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 AM on 10/28/2009
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91 minutes?

Man, that's a huge stash of downloaded porn to look at!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 AM on 10/28/2009
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When the airplane's a rockin' don't come a knockin'

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 AM on 10/28/2009
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Good. Sometimes you just don't get a second chance. They could have killed everyone on board and then some.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 AM on 10/28/2009

I've often wondered, over other flight delays, how much of a safety margin there is for aircraft like this relating to fuel? I can't imagine the airlines don't want to be flying tons and tons of fuel around that they don't need to complete a flight but how much extra do they carry? Was a chance that this plane could've run out while these guys were surfing the net?

I don't know Captain Sully Sullenberger but these gentlemen are no Sully Sullenbergers.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 AM on 10/28/2009
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There is no way these guy should keep their jobs after becoming so distracted by something that they lost total awareness of who they were, what they were doing, or where they were.

For 90 minutes? That is just a huge fantasy. How could they not hear multiple hails? How could they ignore multiple hails?

I am glad they no longer have licenses. They are a danger in the sky.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 AM on 10/28/2009
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I'm willing to be that what they were involved with on their laptops was a game and they had the plane on autopilot, so that they could play. Whatever it was they were doing, it wasn't their jobs.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 AM on 10/28/2009
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More likely porn.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:07 AM on 10/28/2009
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These pilots went Brokeback Mountain in the cockpit (no pun intended)

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 AM on 10/28/2009
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Actually, it's Bareback Mountain.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:08 AM on 10/28/2009

To bad they weren't War Criminals. They could have gotten away with it.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 AM on 10/28/2009
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You see that clock on the bottom of your computer?

No way were these guys on a computer.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 PM on 10/27/2009
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Well at least they weren't on their cell phones or texting. This where unions give themselves a bad name, trying to protect these guys. Why? They were not doing their jobs, period, end of story. They endangered lives. Your out of here.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 PM on 10/27/2009
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I don't think this kind of incompetence deserves a second chance. What the he.ll were they doing, that they didn't hear or see anything? How could they both have been so engrossed? strange!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 PM on 10/27/2009

porn?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 AM on 10/28/2009
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The good kind. Movies!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:09 AM on 10/28/2009
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