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Lieberman's Defection Just The Beginning Of Reid's Headaches

First Posted: 03/18/10 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 03:30 PM ET

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Sen. Joseph Lieberman's threat to join a Republican filibuster of health care legislation that includes a public insurance option is just one of many possible scenarios in which the reform process could still break down.

The Connecticut Independent was widely expected to be a nuisance in Democratic led efforts at crafting legislation. But by pursuing a strategy that leans almost exclusively on maintaining party discipline, Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) drastically elevated Lieberman's importance.

In the White House and on the Hill, the main concern seems to be that Lieberman's defection will provide cover to other so-called centrist Democrats to express their opposition to Reid's bill. But even as aides stew privately, there is a noticeable lack of panic.

News that Lieberman was staking out a position of opposition was greeted mostly with shrugs. Leadership had all the predictable reactions: expressing deference to the senator's philosophical objections to a public plan (even one with an opt-out clause for the states), insisting that the negotiating process is still in its nascent stages, predicting that he would be brought back into the fold, and so forth. Health care reform obituaries were noticeably not written.

"I'm not surprised at what he's saying," said one Democratic aide. "It's par for his course... would we have predicted anything different?"

The maintain-calm response may have been strategic. In private, Democratic strategist stressed that the way to handle the situation would be to deny Lieberman the thing he craved most: relevancy and attention. But the more honest explanation may have been provided by health care debate's most curious third person quote to date.

"Joe Lieberman is the least of Harry Reid's problems," Reid told reporters on Tuesday.

Indeed, as Reid and -- to whatever extent it gets involved -- the White House attempt to patch together the votes to get health care legislation through Congress, they still need to refine and write the legislation. Reid, an aide said, outlined various proposals in the Democratic Caucus meeting on Tuesday and will be sending those proposals to the Congressional Budget Office for scoring in the upcoming days. Once those numbers are back, the tinkering will begin. As will the horse-trading.

"It is not a foregone conclusion that the public option -- at least this approach -- is a done deal," said one high-ranking aide who's a fan of the opt-out option. "We are optimistic. But still there is going to have to be a major push for it... There are still gong to be questions about the overall costs and how to pay for it, and the public option helps with that. But there remains some serious opposition."

Then there are questions over how to structure the pay-or-play provisions. Settling on the fine to levy on those individuals who refuse to buy insurance seems likely to generate the most heated debate outside the public plan. And there is a widespread expectation that it will result in an escalated lobbying war as the private health insurance industry attempts to increase the penalty attached to the individual mandate.

Once these questions are settled, many hurdles remain. While Lieberman has said he would vote to allow a bill to be debated and amended, he stressed he would not vote on a cloture motion -- which requires 60 votes -- to cut off that debate. But he's not the only senator tugging Reid's shoulder. Should the majority leader drop the public plan in favor of, say, a trigger approach (which Lieberman also opposes), he seems destined to lose several progressive members. In other words, Reid may not get the 60 votes needed for cloture just by placating Lieberman.

"This of course is going to be very difficult," said Howard Dean, the former DNC Chair and a strategist working with Senate Dems to get reform passed. "I think Harry threaded the needle very, very well in the Senate. He deserves a lot of credit for getting this far because it was not an easy thing to get done."

Even if Reid were to hold 60 votes together and get a bill through the Senate, the Senate and House of Representatives still will have to meld their versions of reform together. And a host of flash-fires seem likely to erupt during that process as well.

"As you move forward the issues are getting narrower and narrower and when we get to conference there will be a few bigger issues that have to be decided but with a lot of debate leading to those," said Richard Kirsch, National Campaign Manager for Health Care for America Now. "I think it will be a real battle but it will be one that will get resolved... someway."

Once Congress merges its respective pieces of legislation, both Reid and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi will need to ensure that their majority coalitions have remained intact -- because the bills will have to be voted on once again. And even that (as exemplified by Lieberman's antics on Tuesday) is not a sure thing.

Reid, at this point, seems to be pursuing a strategy premised on stage-by-stage legislative advancement -- cobbling enough political support to simply keep the process moving forward. Such an approach could result in failure or stagnation at any stage. But proponents believe and hope that it will create a sense of inevitability that will bring skeptics like Lieberman into the fold.

"I think there has been a big change in momentum since the late summer and a growing belief in the Caucus that this is a reasonable compromise," said Sen. Jeff Merkley, a day before Lieberman's announcement. "[The opt-out] is a reasonable way to bridge our differences.... And when we get to a point where we are in conference with the House, I think we will be 90 percent done."


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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
rgilley
05:12 PM on 10/31/2009
I say let the centrist follow Lieberman right out the door. Every single Connecticuter I have talked with says they would not even think of voting for him again. Every other Senetor ought to be ousted as well if they block healthcare to save big insurance company profits.
04:40 AM on 10/30/2009
Man, having hope is hard work! In the Bush days, we knew we couldn't affect anything. It was easy, but dreadful. I had read the headlines about public option and hoped it was a done deal.

Well, back to the phone lines. I had an earphone implanted in my Representative's head so I could call him when I needed to.
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FACTISFACT
A war veteran. Finally retired
10:55 AM on 10/29/2009
No one should venture to find out the the under dealing of the betrayer and the leader of the party divider after all bird of the same feather flocked together in a volley ball field. one prepares the ball the other jumps up to smash the ball. the president and the public are spectator.

when finally is underhand dealing game is over the public will have the field to play and smash the ball on the same play field to end the most Powerful Lobby Groups all games of interfering in American national politics.

Then there will be no betrayer or divider and their supporter to play with AMERICAN POLITICS. Only a year from now is all that they are left with, to play the final game with the Public of betraying the nation and thereafter no more will there be any need to worry make a fake stories with issue as divider of the party in collusion with a born betrayer. The intelligentsia and the political analysts are of the same opinion.
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Marcospinelli
an old liberal Democrat, a 'New Deal'-Democrat
02:16 AM on 10/29/2009
Obama wanted Lieberman in the Democratic caucus, Obama can f!x the problem:

==President-elect Barack Obama has informed party officials that he wants Joe Lieberman to continue caucusing with the Democrats. Obama's decision could t!e the hands of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, who has been negotiating to remove Lieberman as chair of the Homeland Secur!ty & Government Reform Committee while keeping him within the caucus. Lieberman has insisted that he'll split from the Democrats if his homeland security position is stripped.==

This moment wasn't unforeseen. Everybody knew before Obama even took the oath of office that getting healthcare reform was going to require being able to break any GOP filibuster.

What did Obama get from Lieberman for letting him caucus with Democrats? If there was no agreement about not joining the GOP in filibusters, if this was yet another grand gesture like Obama's taking single payer off the table, we have a hopelessly inept and naive president. That's at best.

At worst, Obama's just another politician, c0rrupt to the core, and the only people that he's working, playing, are the American people who worked their hearts out for him & put him into office believing he was working on their behalf and interests and not Big Corporations'.
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Marcospinelli
an old liberal Democrat, a 'New Deal'-Democrat
02:17 AM on 10/29/2009
Do you remember the thousands of photographs of t0rture & abuse that Obama pledged he would release, then flip-flopped on?:

10/22/09: Congress passed legislation that gives the Defense Department the authority to suppress evidence of its own misconduct.

In an unprecedented move, Congress passed legislation Tuesday including an amendment which would maintain one of the most contentious hangovers of the Bush administration, allowing the Department of Defense to exempt torture photos of US detainees overseas from public access under Freedom of Information Act requests.

An amendment sponsored by Sen. Joe Lieberman, slashes a huge hole in FOIA. Rep. Louise Slaughter (D-N.Y.) was a key figure in stopping Lieberman's photo suppression bill the first time around. Slaughter explained that this time, the provision was slipped into the Homeland Security spending bill during the conference between House and Senate negotiators -- "apparently under direct orders from the Administration."

http://www.truthout.org/1022095
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/143322/outrage:_house_sneakily_passes_bill_banning_release_of_photos_showing_detainee_abuse/

Is Obama going to sign it, veto it or pocket veto it (do nothing, just let it sit and in 10 days it becomes law)?
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
Atmus
03:25 AM on 10/29/2009
Why do so many people post on here(as well as the internet in general) as if they are some grand prophetic individual and everyone should lick there boot strap?

If what you have to say takes 3 post in a row, it probably is not worth hitting "POST" and you should re-think it.

As for every politician being corrupt to the core...well everyone has there opinions I guess.
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Marcospinelli
an old liberal Democrat, a 'New Deal'-Democrat
02:16 AM on 10/29/2009
Obama wanted Lieberman in the Democratic caucus, Obama can f!x the problem:

==President-elect Barack Obama has informed party officials that he wants Joe Lieberman to continue caucusing with the Democrats. Obama's decision could t!e the hands of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, who has been negotiating to remove Lieberman as chair of the Homeland Secur!ty & Government Reform Committee while keeping him within the caucus. Lieberman has insisted that he'll split from the Democrats if his homeland security position is stripped.==

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/10/obama-wants-lieberman-to_n_142731.html

This moment wasn't unforeseen. Everybody knew before Obama even took the oath of office that getting healthcare reform was going to require being able to break any GOP filibuster.

What did Obama get from Lieberman for letting him caucus with Democrats? If there was no agreement about not joining the GOP in filibusters, if this was yet another grand gesture like Obama's taking single payer off the table, we have a hopelessly inept and naive president. That's at best.

At worst, Obama's just another politician, c0rrupt to the core, and the only people that he's working, playing, are the American people who worked their hearts out for him & put him into office believing he was working on their behalf and interests and not Big Corporations'.
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Marcospinelli
an old liberal Democrat, a 'New Deal'-Democrat
02:15 AM on 10/29/2009
Joe 'A.I.P.A.C.' Lieberman doesn't want Americans to have what all Israelis enjoy (and that we Americans pay for with our foreign aid to Israel): Single payer universal health care.

Yes, we pay so that Israelis can have what our politicians are denying us.
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HUFFPOST COMMUNITY MODERATOR
cobaltbluedog
Enjoy Every Sandwich
10:56 PM on 10/28/2009
Lieberman should be keelhauled for his treachery.
06:46 PM on 10/28/2009
Simple answer. Any Dem who votes along with Republicans to fillibuster health care reform bills puts their seats in sub -committees in jeopardy...end of problem.
01:50 AM on 10/30/2009
Any Dem who fillibusters should immediately lose their seats in sub-committees. We need a "TRAITOR JOE" PAC for any Dem that fillibusters in order to put up a real Democrat to oppose them when the traitors come up for re-election.
03:07 PM on 10/28/2009
If my options end of being Aetna or a penalty, I'm becoming a teabagger!
02:24 PM on 10/28/2009
Senator Reid...think Reconcilliation!
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christopherflynn
The wreligious wright is always rong...
02:34 PM on 10/28/2009
Senator Reid...THINK.......
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rich3324
Likes: Chasing villagers. Dislikes: Fire
02:15 PM on 10/28/2009
What to the people of Connecticut think about this? Obama got 60% of the vote there in 2008.
01:57 PM on 10/28/2009
Reid and Lieberman both look REALLY REALLY OLD. How do we expect to be governed in the 21st century with all these OLD FOLKS we keep electing to represent US???
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hrc04
put on your pants and go home.
01:47 PM on 10/28/2009
In that last celebrated media blitz, Obama did say that health care reform would be pronounced dead many more times before it passes. Apparently he didn't forget Lieberman was still alive.
01:36 PM on 10/28/2009
Lieberman may have led many to rethink their position on waterboarding.
HUFFPOST COMMUNITY MODERATOR
SteadyOn
05:46 PM on 10/28/2009
Or torture in general.
01:20 PM on 10/28/2009
At long last, Sen Reid is starting to act as the Senate's Majority Leader for the 111th Congress is expected to act by me & all really, radical, progressives have expected of him since the 111th Congress was organized. Let's forget how Harry acted during the 109 & 110th Congresses if he gets a Universal Health Care with a robust & strong Public Option passed before 12/31/09. Harry's learning curve is going up, OK- late, but he's starting to learn. Better late than never.
01:30 PM on 10/28/2009
It seems you may be right. I hope you are--but I'm waiting to see what they actually deliver.

Unless all members of the public can choose a Public Option when the insurance they have is corrupt, there won't really be any reform at all and we will just be paying the same (twice the going rate) ransom for all those who are covered under the public option.

if we don't get a Public Option that ALL the public can Opt for, a majority of Americans will still be held captive by sociopaths in ties not clever enough to find a way to make money except by destroying the economy and middle class.
02:10 PM on 10/28/2009
Maybe but Harry may be having a testorone(sic?) surge & could get it right aat long last.
01:32 PM on 10/28/2009
Not waht I meant. We won't (presumably) be paying anything to the insurance companies for those on the public option, but if the rest of Americans have no other options, insurance will have no incentive to not abuse those with insurance through work or other means.
02:27 PM on 10/28/2009
You are jumping to sadly inaccurate conclusions & display symptoms of the cutes. We cynical, wise asses have extremely good cause to purge you from our order of acerbic asses. Rendering what as, waht, is an abomnible(sic?) crime against nature of those who use English by sodomizing English incident to gang rapes at outlaw motor cycle gang outings. Keep your colors at home-if you want to watch the dancers. Bring $100 in singles too to put the girls' garters. If you want a lap dance 5 $20's will do it.
This is no case when comments of the rude, crude, pseudo-unletterd, cutsy fothermuckers are needed.