Big Pharma Ready For "Hand To Hand Combat" To Defend White House Deal

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First Posted: 10-29-09 10:33 AM   |   Updated: 10-29-09 12:40 PM

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The health care deal cut between the White House, the Senate Finance Committee and drug makers is destined for a showdown on the Senate floor. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) has been merging the two bills from the finance and health committees into one, in consultation with White House representatives and Finance Committee Chair Max Baucus (D-Mont.).

Is the White House deal going to survive the merger process?

"The White House is in the room," Baucus told HuffPost.

The White House, however, will not be on the Senate floor, and neither will PhRMA lobbyists. (They'll be in the small room just off the floor.)

"I wasn't a party to any deal," said Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio), telling HuffPost that he is cobbling together support for amendments that would bust the Big Pharma deal by allowing the government to negotiate with drug companies for lower prices and by limiting the amount of time biotech companies can have patent-protections.

The White House deal bars the government from negotiating drug prices, extends patent protections and blocks re-importing cheaper drugs from Canada.

Big Pharma's ready for the fight to keep it. "At times, it's going to be hand-to-hand combat," said Ken Johnson, senior vice president for the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA). "We're going to have some tough floor votes."

Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.) is working with Brown to round up votes, but finds himself confused by the White House-PhRMA deal.

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"It's the deal that has no name," Whitehouse told HuffPost Wednesday. "It's been sort of a mystery to see how this is a sort-of-deal that no one acknowledges, yet everyone honors. So I'm hoping that we can get a more profound contribution [from PhRMA]."

The deal has indeed had an unusual history. It was announced in June, but details were withheld. When those details were reported over the summer, the parties to the deal said the deal that was outlined in a memo was not, in fact, the deal. Later, the deal was publicly debated and defended during the finance committee mark up. And the bill that Baucus unveiled contained the details of the deal that the parties had previously said had not been struck.

Drug makers, in their deal with Baucus and the White House, have offered to contribute $80 billion over ten years to the reform effort and $150 million to buy ads backing health care reform and Democratic candidates. Much of the contributions come in discounts to seniors for name-brand drugs. But drug makers set those prices to begin with. PhRMA argues that the drug industry is being squeezed dry and any more than $80 billion will cost jobs and potentially cost its support, PhRMA insists.

A group of Senate Democrats call that claim nonsense. Whitehouse, Brown, Sen. Bill Nelson (D-Fla.), Sen. Byron Dorgan and several others want that contribution to go much higher.

"Some of our critics are unrealistic in their expectations of what our industry can provide without catastrophic job losses in our industry or driving critically important research and development overseas," Johnson said.

One such critic is House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), who has long said that she isn't bound by any deal the White House cut and will push a provision to allow the government to negotiate with drug makers for cheaper prices. She reportedly put her opposition to the deal a little more colorfully in a leadership meeting Wednesday night. "I've been smearing poo-poo on it for months," Politico quoted her saying.

The House and Senate versions will need to be reconciled in a conference committee, but before it comes to that, PhRMA will have to beat back the Brown-Dorgan onslaught on the floor.

Democratic leadership may end up taking PhRMA's side for the sake of passage of the entire bill. Sen. Chuck Schumer of New York, the third-ranking Democrat in leadership, backed an amendment by Bill Nelson in the finance committee that would have increased PhRMA's contribution by $106 billion over ten years by altering who was eligible for certain discounts.

The amendment failed, with some Democrats pleading with colleagues to stick to the deal. HuffPost asked Schumer on Wednesday if he'd back Nelson's amendment, or any other that would bust the PhRMA deal, on the Senate floor.

"To me, $106 billion is very tempting," Schumer said, but added that the PhRMA deal has to be considered in the context of the entire package. If breaking the deal costs some Democratic support, Reid could find himself short of the needed votes.

"That's the hard thing. You can't look at any one piece alone. It's how they all interact with one another. So, that's obviously something I'd like to see there, but there are other considerations, not only on that, but on other issues as well," he said. "This has got to be one piece, and Harry Reid is the best weaver of legislative priorities that I've seen."

Reid has previously said that he does not consider himself a party to the deal, but his senior communications adviser, Jim Manley, declined to comment when asked about the strategy going forward. A White House spokesman did not respond to a request for comment.

As Reid hashes out compromises to stitch together 60 votes, the bill will become highly brittle and resistant to major change on the floor. If Reid asks for strict party discipline during the amendment process, Brown and Dorgan and his allies will have trouble rounding up the votes needed, even with the hypothetical support of all 40 Republicans. That would leave Pelosi and the House as the remaining obstacle to a Big Pharma victory.

As the end game approaches, the situation is becoming tense. HuffPost reached PhRMA's Johnson Wednesday afternoon while he rode on a train full of Phillies fans headed to the World Series in New York, where the Yankees would be stomped flat later that night. Over the drunken din, Johnson had trouble hearing when HuffPost said that Sheldon Whitehouse was rounding up votes to take the PhRMA contribution over $80 billion.

"You said the White House is trying to get votes to go above $80 billion?!" he responded.

Not to worry, HuffPost said. We're talking about the senator from Rhode Island, not the White House.

"Oh, oh," he said, laughing. "When you said White House, I was like, 'Agh!'"


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The health care deal cut between the White House, the Senate Finance Committee and drug makers is destined for a showdown on the Senate floor. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) has been mergi...
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- samjer I'm a Fan of samjer 4 fans permalink

Sounds like the Pharmas are worried that Obama is going to renig on the previous (secret ,sweet) deal. I thought Obama wasnt going to talk to lobyist let alone make deals with them.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:47 AM on 11/01/2009

Sound more like the "secret, sweet" deal never existed.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 AM on 11/05/2009
- placpje I'm a Fan of placpje 7 fans permalink

Even the WH acknowledged a deal was made.... they merely dispute the accuracy of the leaked memo.

"This memo isn't accurate and does not reflect THE AGREEMENT WITH THE DRUG COMPANIES," said White House spokesman Reid Cherlin." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/13/internal-memo-confirms-bi_n_258285.html

BTW - Weren't those meetings supposed to be televised on CSPAN?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 AM on 11/05/2009
- placpje I'm a Fan of placpje 7 fans permalink

Strange that the WH would acknowledge it then. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/13/internal-memo-confirms-bi_n_258285.html

BTW - Weren't those meetings supposed to be televised on CSPAN? Oops.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 PM on 11/05/2009
- Chili4me I'm a Fan of Chili4me 32 fans permalink
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Don't worry Phrma, Barry, Nasty Nancy, and Dirty Harry will give you your deal.

Corruption first!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 PM on 10/30/2009
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The deal ended when Pharma spent 26 billion on trying to kill health care reform.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 AM on 10/30/2009
- Rog49Thomas I'm a Fan of Rog49Thomas 192 fans permalink

I"m sure many liberals out there like me may have been disturbed by the phrase "hand to hand" combat.

Not only because generally we generally oppose the horrors of war.
But also because we worry that with the DP generals and troops - any sort of real combat would result in defeat.

Actually, there's no reason to worry.

When used by a lobbyist, the phrase "hand to hand" is much more benign.

The lobbyist takes some cash or a check in his "hand" and places it in the "hand" of a congressman or senator.

No, physical violence is done.

The only things broken are ethics and the law (minor and quaint things in our system of government).

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 AM on 10/30/2009
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Anything positive you had to say was wiped out by attacking "liberals", a word that has no meaning and is the equivilent of saying N*%$ or some other derogatory word.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 AM on 10/30/2009
- Rog49Thomas I'm a Fan of Rog49Thomas 192 fans permalink

From your post I'm guessing it's time to check the batteries in your snarcasm detector.

Like Pavlov, I find if I ring the bell, I get a reaction.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 10/30/2009
- Fotios I'm a Fan of Fotios 15 fans permalink

Without the deal, we'd have the Pharma industry pushing against the healthcare bill just as hard as insurance industry, so I think it makes political sense, but I hope the Dems or even the Republicans come back in a year or two and address the swelling cost of prescription drugs, the inability to buy them from outside the US and the flawed testing process to assess the safety of the drugs.

Pharma isn't in the clear in my book, but I'm glad they're helping reform the rest of healthcare.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 AM on 10/30/2009
- IDIOTA I'm a Fan of IDIOTA 55 fans permalink

Well the the pharmaceutical corporations have already made their deal, and drug dealers are tough negotiators, if you could call it negotiating.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 PM on 10/29/2009
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All this and I'm still in shock about a MANDATE!

Ugh!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 PM on 10/29/2009

have your tried match.com? Good luck finding that man.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:53 AM on 11/05/2009
- ardeth2 I'm a Fan of ardeth2 5 fans permalink

Big Pharma tortures and kills incredible numbers of animals of many different types every year in very expensive drug testing (required by the FDA), and yet so many pharmaceuticals prove toxic for humans anyway. Let's convince the FDA to get the animals out of drug testing labs and start using state-of-the-art non-animal 21st century drug testing methods so that prices will automatically go down for all parties concerned, with the added ethical benefit of no more animal torment.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:57 PM on 10/29/2009
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80% of all research and clinicals are funded with tax payer dollars.

Big Pham has special provisions to get the copyright on the drugs we pay for

End Corporate Personhood

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:41 PM on 10/29/2009
- Dr Scott I'm a Fan of Dr Scott 24 fans permalink
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Listen, dummies. When you say "hand-to-hand combat," it triggers violent feelings in some people. Why can't these chicken-hawks understand that? They cannot continue to toss around military/violence metaphors without taking the arguement to unintended levels.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:23 PM on 10/29/2009

how do you eat an elephant??? one bite at a time. ah come folks, we all KNOW we wouldnt have make ANY inroads in healthcare reform fighting both the drug companies and the insurance industry.
better to split them up, divide and conquer, like they do the public. after this healthcare reform, we are going after the white house and remind obama WHY he is where he is now, and demand he fires rahm emmanuel, geitner and summers, then we are going for campaign finance reform, THEN we are going back to deal with the drug companies. this is not over. there is no reason why only one side(the lobbyists) can be devious, ruthless and calculating, the american public can do that to.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:59 PM on 10/29/2009
- blueken I'm a Fan of blueken 53 fans permalink
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Oh I hope you are right!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:12 PM on 10/29/2009
- Elle Bach I'm a Fan of Elle Bach 21 fans permalink

My dream is to wake up in America again one morning and read about Congress doing something (anything!) with no other “consideration” other than what’s good for the people (all the people) and the country. Reading about all the “considerations” hovering around this legislation is enough to make you sick to your stomach.

When doing what’s right becomes impossible because the system is paralyzed by all the “considerations” of the special interests (read: people gaming the system for financial profit), you know the system is broken.

People, going forward, we need to do some serious planning on how we’re going to get campaign finance reform implemented. We really need some kind of Constitutional overhaul before 2012. The first person that stands up and announces that as his platform for public service has my vote.

I know one thing for darn sure, none of the jokers currently enjoying their cushy lifestyle (and their own “public option” benefits for life) will ever enjoy the benefits of MY vote ever again. With few exceptions (who are real bright lights, and I’ve been crashing their constituents contact link by using a local zipcode to get in just to say how grateful I m for them) I hope they are all fired. They’re useless parasites.­..(especia­lly .Lieberlooser).

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 PM on 10/29/2009
- blueken I'm a Fan of blueken 53 fans permalink
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(all the people) Ah there is the rub! Do you include the people who work for the drug companies? Do you include the people who work for the health care insurance industry? That is why congress can't pass a sensible health reform bill. You can't bake a cake without cracking a few eggs. The criminal cartel of the drug and insurance companies have held the American people hostage for 50 years. Now that the ransom is un-affordable what do we do? Shovel more money their way? Is that the answer? I don't think so. You can't have a war without a bad guy. Time to pick sides. There will only be one winner.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:11 PM on 10/29/2009
- Elle Bach I'm a Fan of Elle Bach 21 fans permalink

Good points.. I like your attitude! Right after I posted, I regretted saying "all the people." because that's misleading. I should have left it at "for the country."

What the capitalists don't realize is that for capitalism to work there has to be someone, somewhere with enough money to BUY what the capitalists are selling.

This overwhelming era of "greed" at any cost in America is futile, and is not good for anyone - not sustainable for the capitalists, and unfair - and not sustainable - for the middle-class and poor.

Things in this country were most healthy during the Clinton era because of the more equitable distribution of wealth in America. Taxes were high enough to run the country efficiently, but the rich were still prosperous, costs were reasonable and we had a healthy middle-class, and both classes had enough to share with the least among us. I should have left it at "best for the country." When everyone has something, the country is healthier. Our representatives are supposed to be visionary leaders, pondering issues and making law that benefit the country. All the people ARE "the country."

It's the out-of-control greed that's changed America. We've lost control of decency. The decline of Rome haunts me lately, the wildfires on the West Coast ominous portents, a reminder that we are definitely imperiled.

There is a reason for that old saying "all things in moderation."

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:17 PM on 10/29/2009
- codycap I'm a Fan of codycap 51 fans permalink

Galbraith noted that these markets were never free and that as capital became more concentrated market forces stopped working. The top 1 percent owns more wealth then the bottom 90 per cent. Now if that isn’t concentrated I don’t know what is. It seems that Galbraith has been proven correct.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 PM on 10/29/2009
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32 billion on research and development
71 billion on marketing and administration
39 billion in profits
Drug company profit margin is 16%
The average profit margin for a fortune 500 company is 6%
~ From Dr.Paul Hochfeld documentary health, money and fear

When they say their drugs are expensive because of R&D...they are not exactly telling the truth.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 10/29/2009
- Elle Bach I'm a Fan of Elle Bach 21 fans permalink

Are you sure? Someone's not being truthful? Shocked, i tell you. Shocked!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 PM on 10/29/2009
- Fotios I'm a Fan of Fotios 15 fans permalink

The US Pharma industry also charges Americans more because they know Americans have more money and aren't allowed to buy drugs from across the border. This is a total scam and needs to be stopped... just after we're done using Pharma to help pass this health insurance reform bill.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 AM on 10/30/2009
- Cambridge9 I'm a Fan of Cambridge9 79 fans permalink
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It's not often I criticize my President, but in this instance I say that if Sharrod Brown and his associates can get a better deal "Go for it"!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 PM on 10/29/2009
- VPN I'm a Fan of VPN 105 fans permalink
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Exactly, as much as I support President Obama its NOT the place of the White House to be making deals like this.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 PM on 10/29/2009
- Fotios I'm a Fan of Fotios 15 fans permalink

Yes, it is the place. Do you think we'd be where we are today with this healthcare bill if Pharma was fighting it as hard as the insurance lobbies?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 AM on 10/30/2009
- TopJack I'm a Fan of TopJack 56 fans permalink
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"We" are going to have some tough floor votes?

It's almost as if this th!eving lobbyist is voting himself.

With his zombie senators on the floor who he keeps stuffed with cash, I guess he is.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 PM on 10/29/2009

Obama is the one who indicated months ago that he would sign a bill that did not provide for the right of the government to negotiated for lower drug prices.

And it is now falling on the backs of individual Democrats in Congress and politial activists like us to actually FIGHT AGAINST the President and his HCR bill which skrews the American people and rewards big pharma.

In addition, Obama has broken another of his campaign promsises--and it's clear that when he made that promise, he knew he was going to break it.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 PM on 10/29/2009
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