Boeing Assembly Line ANNOUNCED: South Carolina Picked For New 787 Plant

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SEATTLE — Boeing Co. will open a second assembly line for its long-delayed 787 jetliner in South Carolina, expanding beyond its longtime manufacturing base in Washington state to take advantage of economic incentives and a nonunion work force.

The Chicago-based airplane maker said Wednesday it chose the site in North Charleston over Everett, Wash., because it best suited plans to boost production of the highly anticipated jet, designed to carry up to 250 passengers.

The decision ended an interstate competition for the huge factory, with South Carolina prevailing over the state where Boeing has built airplanes for decades. It hands South Carolina production of a plane crucial to Boeing's future but one plagued by problems stemming partly from the company's reliance on suppliers spanning the globe.

South Carolina offered Boeing $170 million in incentives and relief from sales taxes on things like fuel used in test flights.

The move wasn't entirely unexpected. Boeing already operates a factory in North Charleston that makes 787 parts and owns a 50-percent stake in another plant that also produces sections of the plane, Boeing's best-selling new aircraft to date.

About 55 airlines have ordered some 840 of the planes since the program was launched in 2003 – far more than any other Boeing plane at the same stage of development.

Boeing also has long complained about the business climate in Washington and frequent strikes by production workers. At Boeing's plant in North Charleston, workers last month voted against continued representation by the International Association of Machinists.

North Carolina, Kansas, Texas and California were also viewed a competitors for the plant. But Boeing said last week it had narrowed the choices to Washington and South Carolina.

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Boeing ultimately could decide to move all 787 production away from Everett, said analyst Scott Hamilton of Leeham Co. The failure of Boeing and the union to reach a no-strike agreement meant Charleston was "a foregone conclusion."

More ominously, Boeing is expected to decide in three to five years on replacement planes for its best-selling 737 and 777 models and where they will be built.

"Over the course of the next decade and-a-half you could see Boeing being just a shadow of itself here," he said, referring to Washington.

Everett is the site of Boeing's commercial aircraft division, where the company has assembled early versions of the 787. Last year, a walkout by union machinists there and at other sites in Washington forced the company to shut its commercial plane operations for eight weeks.

Unlike Boeing's other commercial jets, the 787 will be built mostly from lightweight carbon composite parts instead of aluminum. As a result, the 787 will be more efficient, quieter and have lower emissions than other airplanes, Boeing says. The mid-size plane will include wider seats and aisles, and larger windows.

Boeing has relied on suppliers to build huge sections of the plane that are later assembled in Everett. But that approach so far has proved problematic, with ill-fitting parts and other glitches hampering production.

Boeing has postponed the plane's inaugural test flight and deliveries five times, putting it more than two years behind schedule. The delays have cost Boeing credibility and billions of dollars in anticipated costs and penalties.

The company could break ground in South Carolina as soon as next month, with the first 787 slated to leave the factory in the first quarter of 2012. The company aims to produce 10 of the planes a month by 2013. By comparison, it makes about 31 of its 737s and seven of its popular 777s a month.

South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford called the plant a "monumental" investment that will spur the state's already-growing aerospace hub.

In Washington, meanwhile, Gov. Chris Gregoire said she and other officials would work hard to land future, larger Boeing projects.

She said the decision came down to Boeing's rocky relationship with the Machinists union and a failure to reach a no-strike deal.

"I'm disappointed, I'm angry, I hurt for the workers and I think the company made the wrong decision," she said. "But I wasn't at the table."

The Machinists' international president, Tom Buffenbarger, denied Boeing's decision was based on concerns over future strikes.

"Corporate decisions like this are years in the making, and this one is no different."

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Associated Press writers Jim Davenport in Columbia, S.C., and Rachel La Corte and Curt Woodward in Olympia, Wash. contributed to this report.

SEATTLE — Boeing Co. will open a second assembly line for its long-delayed 787 jetliner in South Carolina, expanding beyond its longtime manufacturing base in Washington state to take advantage ...
SEATTLE — Boeing Co. will open a second assembly line for its long-delayed 787 jetliner in South Carolina, expanding beyond its longtime manufacturing base in Washington state to take advantage ...
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- larry278 I'm a Fan of larry278 50 fans permalink

Heads up: Boeing is still named Boeing not Blowing despite Boeing opening SC assembly plants. Friends of organized labor have been saying that Boeing sucks for over 20 years. Remember, its Boeing, not Blowing for this year.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:49 PM on 10/31/2009
- bethel1974 I'm a Fan of bethel1974 3 fans permalink

a fellow commentor made a statement below saying the U.S.A needs to lower taxes,deregulate business and so forth. Isn't that the same rhetoric that has California in trouble now. How do you propose the Gov't operate. You see the republicans want this country to resemble some third world countries as far as taxes and wages. This will not entice corporations to build in your state. Most corporations will tell on the surface the first thing they look at is education level. Thats why year after year the state of Virginia is rated the #1 state for business. They have ample land for development and they can tap into the education of upper virgina and washington d.c. to supply workers. Right now there is a 2000 acre supersite for sale 40 miles from Washington D.C. in Virginia on I-85 north just waiting for some company to buy and develop. What other state is even prepared with a supersite.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 PM on 10/31/2009

It'll be great for flying along the Appalachian trail

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 AM on 10/31/2009
- retiree I'm a Fan of retiree 3 fans permalink

This is bad for at least 2 reasons. Non-union AND right to work state. I don't know when it will get through to people that until workers have some rights, pay and benefits will not improve. Why do you think wages have stagnated in the years since Ronnie Reagan was pres. He started the fight to get rid of unions. CEOs were getting only 40 times the average workers pay... now it's more than 400 times. While living in Washington, I worked for a company based in GA. Because they have few laws to protect workers, they thought that they could intimidate employees while applying the laws of their state. It was necessary to bring it to their attention that it was against Washington state work laws. The less people make, the less interest they have in producing a good product. Look around... it's everywhere. The worse people are treated by their employers, the less they care about their jobs. Customer service, quality products suffer. WAKE UP

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 PM on 10/30/2009

dont worry...green jobs are just around the corner in Washington.

good riddance Boeing.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 10/31/2009

Here, here...I agree 100%. I am a retiree from Boeing and my family and friends comprise quite a few years with the company. IAM is a great union and SPEA a close second. But, the MacDonald-Douglas ownership of Boeing has really changed the company. I will not get into an airplane built by people that are making $12 to $15 an hour. Sure, airplane mechanics make a lot of money because they are "airplane mechanics". Does anyone want to ride 35,000 feet off the ground in an aircraft that was built by laid-off Saturn worker....I think not. I think a Saturn worker would be hesitant.

There is so much more to this issue and no one is talking about it.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 11/20/2009
- PS9 I'm a Fan of PS9 4 fans permalink

This web site spews hate. Its really pathetic.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:40 PM on 10/30/2009
- Safire I'm a Fan of Safire 85 fans permalink
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You from SC?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 PM on 10/30/2009
- PS9 I'm a Fan of PS9 4 fans permalink

I am a die hard liberal from New York city who is very worried about the hate mongering on this web site and the lack of intelligent discussion on any issues.

I can get the same from Fox News.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 PM on 10/31/2009
- PS9 I'm a Fan of PS9 4 fans permalink

I am a liberal from New York City who thinks this web site is long on h*ate and short on intelligent discussion.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:05 PM on 10/31/2009

You are correct. The problem is that hate, envy, divisiveness, greed, jealousy, and anger is what the left teaches. I guess you could say that the website fits in well with the left.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 PM on 10/30/2009

Nobody's forcing you to read this site.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 AM on 10/31/2009

Have you ever asked WHY the left is upset?
You might be surprised that the 'left' has your best interests at heart and they are smarter than you.
It would be like if you let your kids pitch a fit at Wal-Mart or snapple bees and everyone wondered WHY do they let the kids run that household?

The Left are the grown ups.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 AM on 10/31/2009
- Blak I'm a Fan of Blak 2 fans permalink
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go back to WND sport....

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:48 AM on 10/31/2009

People who live and work in SC are no less American than those in Washington.

People in SC wanted the jobs in Boeing more than the folks in washington.

WIN-WIN for both if you ask me. SC got the jobs, Washington doesnt need those jobs so can attract some other employer (and there is always govt jobs anyways).

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:17 PM on 10/30/2009
- dye2000 I'm a Fan of dye2000 2 fans permalink

Great real, people. Boeing doesn't care about people, quality of life for workers, the environment, healthcare, or the quality of the airplanes they will build in SC. They sold out to low $$, tax incentives, and to deliver a profit to wall street on the stock price so the executives can buy 2nd homes on the outer banks.
Thanks Boeing and Good Luck with inexperience people building the airplanes. I hope they don't fall from the sky and you don't get sued too many times.

In 10-20 years the folks in SC will want what the folks in Washington want, do an honest day's work for an honest wage, deliver a great product, the right to bargain for wages and benefits....but guess what?
When you make a deal with the devil, you get what the devil wants.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 PM on 10/30/2009
- soisay I'm a Fan of soisay 38 fans permalink
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Part of local cost of production is a state's infrastructure, which manifests as property and sales tax. Quality schools (primary, secondary, college) create a well educated work force. Quality roads, bridges, waterways allow transportation and avoid natural floods and landslides. Quality water, sewage systems, health care, and safe food supply lead to a healthy workforce, creating long term stability for employers. When companies and localities participate in the reverse auction "race to the bottom", all company stakeholders suffer, was well as the government entities themselves. Of course, the company can always threaten total destruction with a move to Mexico, China, Vietnam, Turkey, Hungary. There can be cannibalizing of resources; educated workers can move, quality trucks can relocate, capital can be transferred; for a period, but this bubble will burst (if it hasn't already) when all localities in the USA get themselves to rock bottom, or are left with nothing.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 PM on 10/30/2009

As the world becomes a more global economy, what you will find is that capital will flow to the place of least risk for the greatest return. There are a lot of things in the risk and return calculation but here is the bottom line. The USA must lower taxes and decrease regulation OR businesses, especially manufacturing, will be gone and NEVER return.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 PM on 10/30/2009

REAL unemployment is DOUBLE the 'official' statistics. Government has been playing major games with all stats for a while now - both parties are to blame.

good articles to http://financeopinionss.blogspot.com

Also Barney Frank sucks.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:55 PM on 10/30/2009
- Safire I'm a Fan of Safire 85 fans permalink
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What's up with you and Barney? You got a thingy for him?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:22 PM on 10/30/2009
- bethel1974 I'm a Fan of bethel1974 3 fans permalink

SC is the 3rd least unionized state behind North Carolina and Georgia it also has one then top five unemployment rates. Which is subsidized by Georgia and South Carolina. This is good for SC I applaud any job at any wages given to American workers instead of outsourced around the world. SC has a lowwww cost of living as well

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:32 PM on 10/30/2009
- camanokat I'm a Fan of camanokat 10 fans permalink
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One of the reasons Boeing has had problems with the 787 is because of parts manufactured in SC that are substandard. Imagine when the whole plane is produced there, by inexperienced workers being paid minimum wage. SC is a "right to work" state.

I am all for Unions but the IAM made a mistake when they wouldn't agree to a 10 year no-strike period.

I know a lot of people who work for Boeing and this is going to hurt our area hard. I guess they can always move to SC and work for peanuts.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:51 PM on 10/30/2009

Boeing isn't the be all end all of a State's economy. Ask some folks from Washington that grew up with their parents and grandparents getting layed off from Boeing on and off. It costs the taxpayers in unemployment also.
For the person who says that Unions eventually kill a company .... you probably should do more research.
There are numerous companies in Washington that are employ union workers and are not going out of business. My grandfather worked for one, my father worked for one and my husband works for one.
Maybe Boeing shouldn't of outsourced work all over and the delays wouldn't have happened, bet it's about even...you can pay upfront for good wages and have parts done within spec and on time or you can pay after the fact with penalties and lost sales.
Washington State Resident
PS - Boeing gets lots of freebies in Washington and will in SC too.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 10/30/2009
- camanokat I'm a Fan of camanokat 10 fans permalink
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About half of the people I know work for Boeing. This is going to hurt.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:52 PM on 10/30/2009

To move this high tech facility to a state with one of the lowest rated education systems in the U.S. puts everyone flying this product at risk. This is like awarding the manufacture of of swine flu vaccine to the Chinese drug manufacturers.

Count me out on flying in this aircraft for at least the first 10 years. I fly over 200,000 miles per year and there is a lot of difference in trusting a airplane at 35,000 feet versus a Toyota at 55 MPH.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 10/30/2009
- ccpostman I'm a Fan of ccpostman 22 fans permalink
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Good point.

AirBus is looking better and better!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:15 PM on 10/30/2009
- BikeFreak I'm a Fan of BikeFreak 31 fans permalink
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True

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 AM on 10/31/2009
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Complete nonsense Mark.
Have fun justifying the time/expense of NOT flying on 787s because you think SC workers are inferior and see how long you keep your job/stay in business.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 AM on 10/31/2009

Really? Flown a DC-10 lately?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 AM on 10/31/2009
- Harrier I'm a Fan of Harrier 13 fans permalink

It all boils down to union busting, getting states to compete against one another and doing everything it can to screw the American worker out of as many rights as possible. It takes it's toll, per their own HR, employees are using it as a training ground to get better jobs outside the company and it's best talent are leaving the company

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 AM on 10/30/2009

YEA ANOTHER IAM MEMBER UNABLE TO SEE THE UNION IS RIPPING THE RANK AND FILE OFF TOO.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 AM on 10/30/2009
- Patriot86 I'm a Fan of Patriot86 46 fans permalink

All one has to do is look at the wage disparity between a teller and a CEO of the bank...all this started after the demonetization of the unions...what you don't get is greedy companies want to pay third world wages and no benefits also. Unions made a middle class possible and raised the wages for all just by their existence. The greedy multinationals want for Americans to be their slaves basically and have a standard of living akin to a third world worker. These people will be defeated, but it won't be easy. People like you are useful idiots of our time...defending evil doers.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 AM on 10/30/2009
- jsarets I'm a Fan of jsarets 188 fans permalink

I foresee more problems for Boeing bean counters who think they can just move production around to optimize their cost structure.

The 787 is built around a carbon/nomex-reinforced epoxy composite sandwich fuselage that must withstand various loads including cabin pressurization.

I've worked extensively with this type of construction. It's easy to get it wrong, especially the lap seams that are inevitably laid-up at the final assembly plant for a vehicle this large.

Worst of all, it's hard to tell if it's been done wrong after the part has cured. There's a limited time window during the lamination process that provides the best opportunity to discover flaws that can subsequent hide in the structure until they contribute to sudden and/or catastrophic failure.

The vehicles I designed were small racing prototypes where I could supervise the entire process. Even so, one of them had a structural failure well before its expected lifetime, which could have caused injury if I hadn't found it during a periodic rebuild.

This isn't "black aluminum". Carbon composites have exceptional but complicated properties that are not forgiving in the hands of workers who are not properly and extensively trained.

To uproot production from a facility with unionized workers experienced in building all of the engineering and qualification parts to a facility with a fresh workforce is a risky decision.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:56 AM on 10/30/2009
- KIVPossum I'm a Fan of KIVPossum 73 fans permalink
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I guess that's why Toyota avoided Detroit and the unions and set up shop in KY....to built a better product.

Unionionized workers don't mean a squat to the quality of the product.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:28 AM on 10/30/2009
- jsarets I'm a Fan of jsarets 188 fans permalink

It depends on the extent to which workers are actually fungible and churn is acceptable.

The auto industry has become highly automated, and it's easy to train new workers to perform their singular tasks. Unorganized labor is cheaper, and that allows corporations to spend more money on better equipment that results in higher quality for the same price.

But unions promote worker longevity, and that experience is valuable in production processes that involve lots of touch labor, including aerospace vehicles.

In truth, I'm not a big advocate of unions as we know them. Their only negotiating leverage is a strike, which is counterproductive. I think that productive institutions should be owned by their employees, so that they have to balance their interests as workers with their interests as shareholders.

The difference between Detroit and Toyota has more to do with the quality of the management as the nature of labor relations. Toyota is managed by shrewd technocrats. Detroit is managed by suits living out pre-adolescent fantasies.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:28 AM on 10/30/2009
- Patriot86 I'm a Fan of Patriot86 46 fans permalink

You can bet they will be cheap and uneducated. I have lived in the South-the worst schools I have ever seen even in nice areas.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 AM on 10/30/2009
- ccpostman I'm a Fan of ccpostman 22 fans permalink
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"Boeing bean counters"

More like rivet counters.

I want my rivets put in by union people who KNOW what they are doing. Not some nascar hick running moonshine!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:21 PM on 10/30/2009

People who live and work in SC are no less american than those in washington.

or does your definition of american goes only to union workers ?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:16 PM on 10/30/2009
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I hope that SOME of the people Boeing hires can read.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 AM on 10/30/2009
- RobtBrock I'm a Fan of RobtBrock 6 fans permalink

South Carolina politics is somewhat simple. "YOU LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 PM on 10/29/2009
- ccpostman I'm a Fan of ccpostman 22 fans permalink
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Look at the horn dog Governor. Is he ever leaving for Brazil????

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:23 PM on 10/30/2009
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