Malaysia: 15,000 Bibles Seized Over Reference To "God" As "Allah"

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JULIA ZAPPEI | 10/29/09 09:31 AM | AP

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KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia — Malaysian authorities have confiscated more than 15,000 Bibles in recent months because they referred to "God" as "Allah," a translation that has been banned in this Muslim-majority country, Christian church officials said Thursday.

The alleged seizure of the Bibles, imported from neighboring Indonesia, is certain to reignite complaints by religious minorities that their right to practice their faiths freely has come under threat as the government panders to the Muslim majority.

A growing sense of discrimination among the minorities is chipping away at Malaysia's reputation as a harmonious multiethnic nation that practices a moderate brand of Islam.

The Rev. Hermen Shastri, general secretary of the Council of Churches of Malaysia, said authorities seized a consignment of 10,000 copies sent from Jakarta to Kuching in Sarawak state on Sept. 11 because the Indonesian-language Bibles contained the word "Allah."

Indonesian language is similar to Malaysian language, both of which use "Allah" as translation for God in both Islamic and Christian traditions.

Another 5,100 Bibles, also imported from Indonesia, were seized in March, said an official from the Bible Society of Malaysia, who asked not to be named for fear of angering the government.

A Home Ministry official said he was not aware of the seizures. He said he couldn't be named without his superiors' clearance.

Malaysia has banned non-Muslims from using the word "Allah" in their texts, saying the word is Islamic and may upset Muslims. About 60 percent of the country's 28 million people are Malay Muslims while 25 percent are ethnic Chinese and 8 percent are Indians. Many of the Chinese and Indians are Christians.

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The Roman Catholic Church is challenging the "Allah" ban in court, saying it is unconstitutional and discriminates against those worshipping in Malay language. The case has been stuck in preliminary hearings for almost two years.

Shastri said the church council is concerned over the continued detention "of our holy book, which is depriving congregations ... and denying them the use of their Bible."

"For most of the Christians, this is not an issue of going against the authorities. They have been using (the word "Allah") for a long time," he said.

Church officials say Allah is not exclusive to Islam but is an Arabic word that predates Islam.

Besides the Bible seizures, Malaysia has been embroiled in other religious disputes. Some were over the conversion of minors to Islam and the religion of deceased people who are said to have converted to Islam secretly before their death. Hindus have also protested the demolition of several temples by authorities.

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Associated Press writer Sean Yoong contributed to this report.

KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia — Malaysian authorities have confiscated more than 15,000 Bibles in recent months because they referred to "God" as "Allah," a translation that has been banned in this Mus...
KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia — Malaysian authorities have confiscated more than 15,000 Bibles in recent months because they referred to "God" as "Allah," a translation that has been banned in this Mus...
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- Horst I'm a Fan of Horst 23 fans permalink

My delusional fairy tale is better than your delusional fairy tale....

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 AM on 11/02/2009

Allah is God. In ancient Aramaic, He was called Allaha.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:55 PM on 11/01/2009
- RTIII I'm a Fan of RTIII 79 fans permalink



Forget translation arguments:

Are the Malaysian authorities so ignorant of Islam and Christianity not to know that they both refer to the EXACT SAME diety? Yes, Islam is an Abrahamic religion, founded by the children of Abraham, just as Judaism and therefore Jesus, hence Christianity.

Some Iranian Imam should set them straight - they surely won't listen to anybody "from the West."
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    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 PM on 10/31/2009
- khanti I'm a Fan of khanti 10 fans permalink

A better picture; The question is do Christians accept the same God as Islam? I get the impression that Christians only accept Christ as their God while Islam accept Christ as a messenger of God. Both religions believes in only one God and share the same book on Genesis. If Christ is a rebirth of God it means Christians believe in rebirth and God is subjected to change.
I believe the Christians in Indonesia is trying to convert Muslims in their country and the Christians in Malaysia is doing likewise. You do not need to use Allah if those bibles were written in English unless it was wriiten in Malay which is common language for both countries with very little variation in the written form. There is another common word used which is Tuhan. Why used an Arabic word if you are writting the bible in Malay? Why not use Allah in the English bible? Come on
enough with that hyprocrisy.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 PM on 10/31/2009
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Hi Khanti. Christians believe that Christ is the incarnation of God, not the reincarnation. The idea is God is one essence and three hypostases (i.e., persons): the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. We know these divine names because they are the ones Jesus used for the other hypostases of God. This is the Abrahamic God, but Islam and Christianity has different understandings of who he is. -- I don't know about these Bibles and the groups behind them, but in many areas of the Indonesian Archipelago it is very dangerous to be Christian. I think your point about using Tuhan is excellent.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 AM on 11/01/2009
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Each language has its own word for Judeo-Christian concept of God.Many variations in spelling and pronunciations exist for the name of Jesus. No one complains.

Here, the usage of an Arabic word of allah is typical example of Islam functioning as Arab cultural imperialism around the world. It is only Muslims that insist that an exclusively Arabic word must be used. And no other.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 AM on 10/31/2009
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Stop hating.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:29 PM on 10/31/2009
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I don't think this person is "hating," I think they're stating a reasonably-drawn opinion based on a number of facts. It's not 100% accurate that it's only Muslims who try to own the word "Allah," but it is widely and generally true. This is from someone who's neither Christian, Muslim, or Jewish, and thus as no dog in the fight, I'm just stating what I observe.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 PM on 10/31/2009
- WilliamL I'm a Fan of WilliamL 27 fans permalink

wow.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 PM on 10/31/2009
- blutigeroo I'm a Fan of blutigeroo 27 fans permalink
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My impression has always been that Muslims PREFER ((not insist) on using the world "Allah" instead of "God", even when speaking English is because the word "God" has lost its meaning in the English language. It is used commonly to refer to, for example, the god of rock. Allah is used in reference to the eternal diety exclusively and thus the word seems more respectful.

You insist that in this case Muslims are tying to exert their influence on Christians by adding "Allah" to the Bible. That does not make sense as their is no evidence in this article to indicate that.
Malay officials are over-reacting.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 PM on 10/31/2009
- Mollabaji I'm a Fan of Mollabaji 16 fans permalink

Did it occur to anyone that "God" in the Bible refers to a man, Jesus. That is what is objectionable to Muslims who believe there is only one God which is not "human" like in the Trinity belief that Jesus is God, Sond of God, and Holy Ghost. The Qur'an clearly states that Jesus was a human being just like Mohammad and both were Prophet. They died like any other human but they went to Heaven.

This is why these Bibles are collected by the police. The rest of the report is typical anti-Islam propagada.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 PM on 10/30/2009
- RTIII I'm a Fan of RTIII 79 fans permalink


You are mistaken.

There are in the Christian tradition both Old and New Testaments. Your remarks ONLY pertain to the New Testament.
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    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 PM on 10/31/2009
- jasev01 I'm a Fan of jasev01 10 fans permalink

You know there is some truth to what you say I didn't really think of it like that. I suppose while grammatically and technically correct there are parts of the Bible that could be seen as counter to the Muslim traditions and beliefs and the use of Allah to take a page out of US law could create a likelihood of confusion.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:36 PM on 10/31/2009
- TonyMbutu I'm a Fan of TonyMbutu 8 fans permalink

Even if the theological stuff you mention is correct, it wouldn't matter. There is no valid reason for the use of police power to enforce a silly religious belief.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 11/03/2009

Christian evangalicals have apporpriated other religions to propogate their faith. They are doing this in India, by Christian preachers dressing up like Hindu priests performing pujas for Jesus and naming their church Ashrams.

This kind of fraudulant way to proseltize is what causes religious riots in India.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 AM on 10/30/2009
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"The Roman Catholic Church is challenging the "Allah" ban in court, saying it is unconstitutional and discriminates against those worshipping in Malay language."

Kudos to them; hope they get it repealed. People can call God whatever they please. The role of Muslims is to lead by example, and call people to Islam. If they refuse, they are to be left alone. Do these people not read the Qur'an? One of the most commonly repeated verses has to do with Muhammad (pbuh), stating (in a number of formulations) that he need not grieve over those who will not believe, 'for you are only a warner".

The Malaysian government is completely at odds with Islam on this issue. Ridiculous.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:38 AM on 10/30/2009
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"Allah" is the Arabic word for "God". In Arabic Christian traditions (like Antiochian Orthodox or Egyptian Coptic) the word for God is "Allah" and it long predates Islam.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:50 AM on 10/30/2009

"Allah is not exclusive to Islam but is an Arabic word that predates Islam"

Seems like a simple copyright legal decision . . . it would seem "Islam" has taken illegal claims to exclusive right to a word in common use - CLEARLY a violation of International Copyright and Trademark Law -

. . . plus, I believe (insert preferred God name) would be more pi$$ed on WHAT people DO rather than what they CALL him/her/it . . . .

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 PM on 10/29/2009
- NWBrunette I'm a Fan of NWBrunette 53 fans permalink

Its an obvious attempt at gross manipulative propaganda. They want to ban it, fine. Translation really isn't that hard to get right. Think what the w*ng n*ts would do in this country if the Koran came ashore talking about Jesus. Oh my!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 PM on 10/29/2009
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"Allah" means "God" --how else could you translate the word?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:51 AM on 10/30/2009
- JazzHands I'm a Fan of JazzHands 2 fans permalink

Wait... the Q'uran talks a lot about Jesus. There is a whole chapter (the equivalent of a book in the bible) dedicated to Mary. I've heard a lot of Muslims tout that they have a more complete history of Jesus' family and life in the Q'uran.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:15 AM on 10/30/2009
- popart I'm a Fan of popart 10 fans permalink
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i think " Supreme Delusion " should be a universal name for supernatural dieties in all religions....

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:45 PM on 10/29/2009
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and deities as well? :-)

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:52 AM on 10/30/2009
- Rog49Thomas I'm a Fan of Rog49Thomas 192 fans permalink

Sorry to burst some unfounded delusions.

(1) In Arabic the word for The God is Allah.
If you get a Bible in Arabic, the Divinity is referred to as Allah. OT (as some would have) and NT.
Just like the word for house is "bayt" or "dar" - it doesn't mean an Arabic house. My bayt is the USA is just as bayt as some guy's house in KL.

(2) In Islam one central teaching is that the God of Abraham, the God of the Jews, and the God of the Christians and the Divinity the Muslims worship is one and the same.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:38 PM on 10/29/2009
- JazzHands I'm a Fan of JazzHands 2 fans permalink

spot on!
UMNO (the major party in the ruling coalition) is trying to steal votes from PAS (the Islamist party) by becoming really hardline on islamic issues.

There was a really good article on this subject on Real Clear World called "Malaysia Goes Islamic". I don't have the link offhand.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:17 AM on 10/30/2009
- Rog49Thomas I'm a Fan of Rog49Thomas 192 fans permalink

Thanks.

There's been a lot of ethnic politic-ing going on as UMNO tries to hang on.

A while back there was a flap with the Indian ethnic minority group and then with the Chinese.

As the motto goes (or at least is supposed to) "Unity is Strength"

Funny (not in a humorous sort of way though) is that on "Islamic" finance the Malaysians have more liberal interpretation of Shari'ah law and so allow certain structures their brothers in the Gulf wouldn't.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:03 AM on 10/30/2009
- LMPE I'm a Fan of LMPE 60 fans permalink

I used the word "Allah" when reviewing the Bugs Bunny cartoon "Ali Baba Bunny" on imdb. Is that equally offensive?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:59 PM on 10/29/2009
- bobdcat I'm a Fan of bobdcat 3 fans permalink

One man's "revealed truth" is another man's "blasphemy".

As Gerald Arundel says in "Enchanted April", "God must know an awful lot. Why doesn't he do something?"

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:08 PM on 10/29/2009
- jwCA I'm a Fan of jwCA permalink

He is doing something. It's just that most people are not noticing, as usual.

"...and they took no note until the flood came and swept them all away..." (Matthew 24:39)

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:49 PM on 10/30/2009
- TonyMbutu I'm a Fan of TonyMbutu 8 fans permalink

But, of course, there was no Noachian flood, it was just a myth. I'm surprised your Jesus didn't know that...

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 PM on 11/03/2009
- MARNIE2 I'm a Fan of MARNIE2 2 fans permalink

.......NOT TO WORRY ...CHRISTIAN & Islam....The ....Fundamental's or creed......are different .....

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:50 PM on 10/29/2009
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That reminds me of a definition someone gave me for "fundamentalist": There is not enough "fun" in fundamentalist, too much "damn" and not enough "mental."

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:54 AM on 10/30/2009
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