New Commerce Report Shows Economy Grew In Third Quarter, Signals End Of Recession: AP

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JEANNINE AVERSA | 10/29/09 06:09 PM | AP

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WASHINGTON — After a record four straight losing quarters, the economy finally grew again. It was hardly a boom, and it was almost all because of government spending. But it was enough to change the question from when the recession will end to whether the recovery will hold.

Unlike past rebounds that were driven by the spending of everyday Americans, this one appears to hinge on spending by businesses, foreigners and – until it runs out – the government.

Helped in large part by federal support for spending on cars and homes, the economy grew at an annual rate of 3.5 percent from July through September, the government said Thursday.

It was the first time the economy grew at all since the spring of 2008, and one economist, Brian Bethune of IHS Global Insight, estimated it would have been more like an anemic 1 percent without the popular Cash for Clunkers rebates and an $8,000 tax credit for first-time homebuyers.

But the government help is only temporary, and without it, consumer spending is likely to weaken. If shoppers clam up as credit stays tight and jobs remain scarce, the economy could tip back into recession.

President Barack Obama called the report "welcome news," but acknowledged that "we have a long way to go to fully restore our economy" and recover from the deepest and longest slump since the 1930s-era Great Depression.

The return of economic growth puts the White House in a delicate position: The president wants to take credit for ending the recession, but unemployment is still causing pain and anxiety throughout the country.

Millions have yet to feel a benefit from the recovery in the form of a new job or even an easier time getting a simple loan. Even those with jobs are reluctant to go on a spending spree. The values of their homes and 401(k)s remain shrunken.

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"The benchmark I use to measure the strength of our economy is not just whether our GDP is growing, but whether we are creating jobs, whether families are having an easier time paying their bills, whether our businesses are hiring and doing well," Obama said.

The rebound ended the record streak of four straight quarters of economic contraction and gave the stock market its best day in months. The Dow Jones industrial average gained nearly 200 points.

Whether the recovery can continue after the government supports are gone is unclear. Economists predict growth will be slower as the benefit of the $787 billion stimulus package fades.

And next year could be even slower than that. A rising number of analysts say the economy will grow at a 1 percent rate in the first quarter – perhaps more if Congress extends the tax credit for homebuyers.

Christina Romer, Obama's chief economist, has acknowledged that the government's stimulus spending has already delivered its biggest economic jolt.

Federal government spending rose at a rate of 7.9 percent in the third quarter, on top of an 11.4 percent rate in the second quarter. And businesses increased spending on equipment and software at a 1.1 percent pace, the first increase in nearly two years.

For now, the economy will have to keep counting on businesses replenishing their depleted stockpiles and replacing outdated equipment.

"A good part of the demand we're seeing is because companies have to reorder to replenish inventories," said Herb Goetschius, president of McNichols Co., a Florida maker of metal gratings and other products. "Because they can't build new plants right now, they are spending more on repairs and maintenance."

Businesses that slashed their stockpiles of goods in the second quarter cut them more slowly from July to September. Now that inventories are at rock-bottom levels, even the smallest increase in demand will probably lead factories to produce more.

Helped by a cheaper dollar, exports of U.S.-made goods to foreign customers should help support the recovery, analysts said – particularly as economies improve in Asia and Europe. A modest recovery in U.S. housing will likely contribute, too.

"Those will be the driving forces of this recovery," said economist Ken Mayland of ClearView Economics. "I think this is one recovery that is going to probably be the least dependent on consumers."

In 1980, businesses led an economic recovery. It quickly fizzled, and the economy fell into a severe recession in 1981 and 1982. The unemployment rate climbed to 10.8 percent, the post-World War II high. Today, it stands at 9.8 percent.

For now, economists say the risks are low that the economy will suffer a so-called double-dip recession. They hope businesses will spend enough to sustain the recovery. But the possibility can't be dismissed.

By itself, growth in a quarter doesn't mean a recession has ended. For example, this recession began in December 2007, according to the panel of academics in charge of declaring the beginnings and ends of downturns – even though the economy grew that quarter.

"Even if we've turned the corner, we know it's a long way before we're completely recovered," Romer, chair of the White House Council of Economic Advisers, said in an interview with The Associated Press. "You can't have an unemployment rate of 9.8 percent and not be deeply troubled."

WASHINGTON — After a record four straight losing quarters, the economy finally grew again. It was hardly a boom, and it was almost all because of government spending. But it was enough to change...
WASHINGTON — After a record four straight losing quarters, the economy finally grew again. It was hardly a boom, and it was almost all because of government spending. But it was enough to change...
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- sposton I'm a Fan of sposton 172 fans permalink
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In relative terms this is still a rich country. There is much money which is not being spent buying Chinese junk. The administration has been building up a psychological picture that things are steadily improving so that people can once again start buying junk, jump starting production in China. They started with "green shoots" talk and ended up with "we are out of recession". Once we start buying junk again the economy is really going to look good. And if we can get another natural disaster that would really show some economic "growth". ;-)

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 10/30/2009
- MarcusT I'm a Fan of MarcusT 62 fans permalink
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Cash for clunker and $8,000 home buyer bribes. Not much of a foundation.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 AM on 10/30/2009

"CBO anticipates that the current recession, which started in December 2007, will last until the second half of 2009" This was the prediction before Obama passed his stimulus bill and did not factor the stimulus bill in the prediction.

So basically this was expected to happen with out without the costly stimulus.

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/99xx/doc9958/01-08-Outlook_Testimony.pdf

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 PM on 10/29/2009
- leduck I'm a Fan of leduck 43 fans permalink
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That domestic Product is pretty Gross
huh??????

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:38 PM on 10/29/2009
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This is your foray into non-peak-oil commenting? Well done.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:44 PM on 10/29/2009
- desertman I'm a Fan of desertman 15 fans permalink

While it seems great, 3.5% growth is far from a trend-setter. Remember Japan. Since 1990, it has had about 19 of these 3.5%-or-better GDP growth quarters. That is almost 25% of the time. In hindsight we know this was noise around the fundamental downtrend because the Japanese economy has experienced four recessions and the equity market is down more than 70%. What is important is whether the U.S. economy can manage to sustain that 3.5% growth performance in the absence of ongoing massive government stimulus. It may be a little early to uncork the champagne.

The big risk going into Q4 is a renewed contraction in real final sales. This is not priced into the various asset classes right now.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:28 PM on 10/30/2009
- lillibelle I'm a Fan of lillibelle 59 fans permalink
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NPR had an excellent program today ~ about how inaccurate GDP is as a measure of economic health. It measures ALL transactions ~ very misleading. One economist likened it to a small business owner adding his revenue and expenditures up - together.

Bottom line: Don't believe the hype.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:43 PM on 10/29/2009
- Gmoney1 I'm a Fan of Gmoney1 23 fans permalink

not all these small businesses are what they make themselves out to be - I've seen them come and go within six months and that was during the so call good times - there maybe a lot of them but what kind of stability do they offer employees anyway - lousy jobs, lousy money, no benefits and then layoff -

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:54 PM on 10/29/2009

Black Friday Boycott

http://www.youtube.com/user/Hiteminthewallet

For this holiday season for the best interest of American citizens struggling to make ends meet, or to get through another day of joblessness and hopelessness everywhere across our nation. Let’s, the rest of us still surviving the economic crisis throw a financial revolt by not buying into the consumerism of the holidays. Basically, only purchase what we essentially need and leave the cheap Chinese crap on the shelves. Beforehand writing or calling congress, making it clear if they don’t start doing something proactive that we can see or approve of to help the plight of ordinary Americans over Wall Street or the Banking Industry then this country can look for other ways to make up for the GDP losses else where. Hey congress, get it from the banking industry or Wall Street.

http://hiteminthewallet.wordpress.com

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:24 PM on 10/29/2009
- leduck I'm a Fan of leduck 43 fans permalink
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PEAK OIL is not fringe concpet
it's not looney
it's not something you can wish away

HUBBERT CURVES are what all oil producing fields and regions follow
first their production rises exponentionally.
It then begins to level off and reach a maximum
and then begins drop off

This is not something that may happen
It's something that keeps happening over and over again

and eventually, world oil production will / has peak or will soon peak..., and then it will begin to fall

and like oil roduction, so will the economy

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 PM on 10/29/2009
- leduck I'm a Fan of leduck 43 fans permalink
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Burgan in Kuwait: 66 to 72 billion barrels (ultimate recoverable)
curently producing 1 million barrels a day

Catarell in Mexico: 15 to 20 barrels
Peaked and production in steep decline

Rumaila in Iraq (which belongs to us now): 20 billion barrels
Kirkuk in Iraq: 16 billion

Prudho bay in alaska: 13 billion and Anwar in alaska: 7 billion

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:46 PM on 10/29/2009
- leduck I'm a Fan of leduck 43 fans permalink
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World Sweet Crude Production Peak: 2005
World Sour Crude Production Peak: hasn’t happened yet – that’s what’s keeping oil production on a plateau.
But world Peak Per Capita Oil Production occurred in the 1979

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 PM on 10/29/2009
- leduck I'm a Fan of leduck 43 fans permalink
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U.S.
Peaked in oil production in: 1971

Decline Rate: about 4.2%
Peaked at: 11.6 million barrels per day

“Texas Tea”
Peaked in: early 1970s
Now producing about 1/3 as much oil as then

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 PM on 10/29/2009

same old same old. stock market surging. more job loss. no heath care reform. no extension of unemployment benefits. more same cr4p.

good articles; http://financeopinionss.blogspot.com

no point in voting

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 PM on 10/29/2009
- perk I'm a Fan of perk 16 fans permalink


I am cautiously thrilled about the news.

But...
"But GDP numbers say nothing about the source of consumption, whether it's from cash on hand or mounting debt. ... GDP numbers include government spending, such as that for Katrina ( and stimulus) and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. It doesn't take a genius to realize that these expenditures haven't led to better living standards for most. "

"Thus, even if GDP data indicates net productivity, this data does not factor in the deficit incurred as a result of government spending or the trade imbalance—all of which adds to the national debt and decreases America's net worth or wealth." July 28, 2008

http://seekingalpha.com/article/87267-how-washington-is-fooling-you-trick-2-the-gdp-charade

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 10/29/2009
- naschkatze I'm a Fan of naschkatze 85 fans permalink

The headline in today's Oregonian is Stimulus Jobs Over-reported by the Thousands.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 PM on 10/29/2009
- RichPort I'm a Fan of RichPort 78 fans permalink
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I don't know about you, but I consider them the final authority on all things economic.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 10/29/2009
- batmancw I'm a Fan of batmancw 19 fans permalink

This is just using one line of credit to pay off another. Eventually, BOTH bills come due. When I see banks actually starting to lend to small businesses at reasonable rates, THEN I'll be more likely to believe we're turning a corner. I'm afraid that the worst is yet to come whether it be deflation, stagflation or inflation. You CANNOT increase the money supply by 120% and not have to suffer the consequences eventually.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 PM on 10/29/2009
- blico I'm a Fan of blico 47 fans permalink
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PBO will fix it with the new $1000 bill that will by a loaf of bread!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 PM on 10/29/2009
- batmancw I'm a Fan of batmancw 19 fans permalink

Cool. Will Obama be on it?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 PM on 10/29/2009
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