Iran: Uranium Counteroffer Draws Harsh Rebuke

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NASSER KARIMI and SLOBODAN LEKIC | 10/30/09 02:04 PM | AP

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TEHRAN — Iran insists on simultaneously exchanging its low-enriched uranium for nuclear fuel produced overseas, the state news agency said Friday, calling the demand a "red line" that will not be abandoned.

The condition undermines the basis of a U.N.-backed plan demanding Iran ship most of its uranium outside its borders to be further enriched in Russia and turned into fuel rods in France for use in a research reactor. That process could take up to a year.

The U.S. and its allies see the process as buying time to reach a compromise with Iran by depriving it of the amount of uranium needed to make a nuclear bomb. Western powers believe Iran is seeking nuclear arms, or at least the ability to produce them on short notice. Tehran says its uranium activities are aimed only at producing atomic energy.

The news agency IRNA also said, however, that Iran has not yet given its answer to the U.N.-backed proposal to ship most of its enriched uranium overseas and wants to hold further negotiations on the plan.

The agency quoted an unidentified official as saying an Iranian response to the Western offer Thursday "did not contain a reply" to the U.N.-backed plan but simply expressed Iran's "positive attitude" and willingness to hold talks on the proposal.

Iran appeared to be pairing conciliatory language with a hard-edged take on the proposal that Iran send 70 percent of its low-enriched uranium to Russia.

Iran sent a message to the U.N. nuclear watchdog agency about the plan on Thursday, and while details have not been made public, European officials expressed frustration that Tehran was stalling over the proposal.

IRNA said in its report that Iran demands that there be a simultaneous exchange of uranium for the reactor fuel.

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"The simultaneous exchange ... is Iran's red line. Iran will in no way neglect this condition," IRNA said.

The report did not specifically reject shipping most of Iran's enriched stockpile in one batch. But it appeared to be suggesting that Tehran was looking to export small batches incrementally – waiting for one shipment to be turned into fuel rods before shipping out the next small amount. Iranian officials have previously expressed support for this approach, and diplomats in Vienna who were briefed on Iran's message Thursday said it suggested that strategy as well.

Western officials have expressed dismay at such an approach, which would leave Iran with a large amount of enriched uranium.

The unidentified Iranian official told IRNA that Iran will give its "viewpoint" on the plan in further talks.

"Iran only showed its positive attitude toward negotiations and its readiness to continue talks on securing fuel for the Tehran reactor," the official said.

The official gave no further details.

European leaders pressed Iran Friday to stick by the deal that would limit its uranium enrichment, voicing "grave concern" over the country's nuclear program.

EU leaders expressed "grave concern over the development of Iran's nuclear program, and Iran's persistent failure to meet its international obligations," according to a draft statement circulating on the second day of a two-day EU summit in Brussels.

The statement urged Iran to agree to the U.N. atomic watchdog's proposal for supplying nuclear fuel to Tehran's research reactor, saying such an agreement "would contribute to building confidence." A copy of the statement was obtained by The Associated Press.

The Iranians' counteroffer drew criticism in Europe and Israel.

"It's the same old tricks," Swedish Foreign Minister Carl Bildt, whose country holds the European Union's rotating presidency, told the AP. "A back-and-forth for further talks."

Israeli lawmaker Tzahi Hanegbi, chairman of parliament's foreign affairs and defense committee, speaking to Army Radio on Friday, said reports of Iran's resistance to the deal means, "We're back where we started."

Still, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu praised the uranium proposal, calling it "a positive first step" toward keeping Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons. Speaking ahead of a meeting Friday with White House envoy George Mitchell, Netanyahu said he appreciates Washington's "ongoing efforts to unite the international community to address the challenge of Iran's attempts to become a nuclear military power."

It was unusually strong praise, given Israeli officials' frequently expressed concerns that President Barack Obama's attempts at engagement with Iran will fail to stop its nuclear ambitions.

"We have yet to see and we await the details of their response to the IAEA," White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said. "We're in constant contact with the IAEA to get that."

He wouldn't say whether the Obama administration believes it now is time to pursue tougher sanctions against Tehran, but added: "the president's time is not unlimited."

In Paris, French Foreign Ministry spokesman Bernard Valero urged Iran to "give a formal and positive response to the (IAEA), without delay."

He said the agreement reached in Geneva "would respond to Iran's need for the production of radioisotopes for medical use and would be a useful confidence-building measure. We are in close contact with the agency as well as with our partners on what response to bring to the Iranians."

EU leaders also said they deplored continued violations of human rights in Iran, and urged the authorities to release EU citizens and employees of European missions there.

These include a British embassy employee, Hossein Rassam.

British Prime Minister Gordon Brown said the EU summit of leaders "clearly expressed its continuing concern about staff that have been detained in Iran and called for their prompt and unconditional release."

A French researcher and French Embassy employee were both charged in a mass trial of those accused of fomenting unrest in postelection protests in Iran in June. Both are freed on bail, though neither can leave Iran pending a verdict.

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Associated Press Writers Angela Doland in Paris and Constant Brand in Brussels contributed to this report.

TEHRAN — Iran insists on simultaneously exchanging its low-enriched uranium for nuclear fuel produced overseas, the state news agency said Friday, calling the demand a "red line" that will not b...
TEHRAN — Iran insists on simultaneously exchanging its low-enriched uranium for nuclear fuel produced overseas, the state news agency said Friday, calling the demand a "red line" that will not b...
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- wwoody I'm a Fan of wwoody 19 fans permalink
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Russia and China has sold Iran billions in military equipment, such as submarines, advanced aircraft, tanks, helicopters, and advanced air defense systems, SA-20 missile system, modeled after the U.S. Patriot system. Russia’s Prime Minister, Vladimir V. Putin, said that sanctions were “premature”
So far, Iran has managed since June 2007 to reduce its gasoline imports from 40 percent of total domestic consumption to 25-30 percent without any political fallout. Moreover, with Russia and China willing to supply Iran with gasoline, a situation over which the United States has limited leverage, it would seem difficult for the U.S. to enforce any embargo short of military-backed blockade, or a military strike on Iranian nuclear facility by the U.S. or by Israel.No matter how tough the sanctions are, there is always room for American products to find its way into Iran. Most U.S. exports are found in the markets of Tehran, from GE refrigerators to Apple laptops and other items. They are smuggled via the Arabian Gulf States. In addition, the sanctions have restricted U.S. companies from doing business in Iran and opened the door for Russia, Chinese and other European firms to do business in Iran.
We see what they want us to see what on the table,like vintage 84 aircraft with no replacement parts, nuclear program, yet no nuclear bomb in near future. Someone has their head in the sand, if they believe that Iran don't have and nuclear weapon.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 AM on 11/02/2009
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but,..but I-srael....but but,....imperialism, colonialism,... hegemony..... multi nationals..... but boooooosh!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 PM on 10/31/2009
- S1m0n I'm a Fan of S1m0n 103 fans permalink
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They probably have a point. Once the uranium is out of their control, who knows when it might return?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 AM on 10/31/2009
- Guytar I'm a Fan of Guytar 30 fans permalink
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China has signed up to a multi billion dollar ten year contract for Iranian oil.

Russia is building basic billion dollar nuclear infrastrusture in Iran.

Correct me if I'm wrong. India wants to sign up natural gas from Iran.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:05 PM on 10/30/2009
- Hirnlego I'm a Fan of Hirnlego 115 fans permalink
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That's my impression as well.

None of these countries want to see Iran dragged into a war... and might turn up to defend it if attacked.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 PM on 10/30/2009
- blutigeroo I'm a Fan of blutigeroo 28 fans permalink
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I am not sure about the India deal, considering that India has her own reserves of natural gas but you are correct regarding China and Russia.
America is no longer the power it used to be, China and Russia are slowly but surely putting themselves in a position to exert greater influence on middle eastern nations.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 PM on 10/30/2009
- Hirnlego I'm a Fan of Hirnlego 115 fans permalink
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Bush assisted with nuclear technology for India.

USA doesn't want India (an upcoming world power at least on some level) to compete for the middle-east oil.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 PM on 10/30/2009
- Mollabaji I'm a Fan of Mollabaji 17 fans permalink

The India-Iran gas deal seems probable. Iran and Pakistan and India were ready to sign the deal for shipment of Gas from Iran through Pipelines, which has already been signed by Iran and Pakistan but India, under pressure and promise of lots of money,by U.S., declined in the last moment. the deal is still hanging in the air but quite probable in the future.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 AM on 10/31/2009
- SFA I'm a Fan of SFA 14 fans permalink

Yes you are right, India also want a pipeline from Iran Natural Gas fields to India via Pakistan

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 PM on 10/31/2009

Bottom line: Ahmadinejad is going to build nuclear bombs whether we like it or not. One way or the other. Just get used to it!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:50 PM on 10/30/2009
- alysheba 3 I'm a Fan of alysheba 3 48 fans permalink

Yes, let's express grave concern for Iran standing by it's commitments made with signing the NNPT.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:39 PM on 10/30/2009
- research I'm a Fan of research 291 fans permalink

More proof that Nuclear Power tech and industry lead to proliferation.

Nuclear power is insane.

Committing to wind down the Nuclear industry as fast as possible, worldwide, would go a long way to reducing the proliferation risks, and eliminating the power tech "Cover" for weapons programs.

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    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:59 PM on 10/30/2009
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Yours is the most apt comment so far on this thread. Nuclear power is a dead end in more ways than one.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:58 PM on 10/30/2009
- chlai88 I'm a Fan of chlai88 24 fans permalink
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This is the usual bargaining games Iran is playing. It's testing and measuring the response from the West to see what they can get away with. But only this time round the govt cronies in Iran knows their hands are tied. On the one hand is the increasing unity led by US & EU and possibly including Russia and China and on the other is their own domestic political enemies waiting for a chance to throw them out. This is unfamiliar territory the Iranian neocons are finding themselves in and never has Iran's govt been so hemmed in b4.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:59 PM on 10/30/2009

Russia and (most likely) China will not commit to sanctions. They will actively work against them so they can wrangle their own desires out of the U.S. They'd be stupid not to.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:32 PM on 10/30/2009
- Guytar I'm a Fan of Guytar 30 fans permalink
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Someone in the the last days of the Bush 43 administration gave the President of Georgia the idea in 2008 that he could attack Russia's sovereignty over South Ossetia.

This Georgian fool with an army of 30,000 troops attacked a Russian province with the mistaken belief that he had full support from George W. Bush.

Russia immediately crushed the Georgian fool, and the Bush administration whimpered about the evil Russian empire and the evils of communism.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 PM on 10/30/2009
- admarx I'm a Fan of admarx 6 fans permalink

You need to check your facts, my friend. South Ossetia is part of Georgia, not Russia. They declared independence; they were not annexed by Russia. Georgia reacted militarily, Russia stepped in on Ossetia's behalf. You're entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts...

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 AM on 11/01/2009
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The Iranian counter-offer was designed to be unacceptable. The best thing the parties could do would be to push the Iranian government off-balance by accepting its offer without conditions.

Iraq has applied to build up its own nuclear industry.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:15 PM on 10/30/2009
- Guytar I'm a Fan of Guytar 30 fans permalink
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Iran is a nation of 65 million people. It is the world's fourth largest oil exporter, and it owns the world's third largest untapped oil reserves.

Iran has developed long term multi-billion dollar economic partnerships with China and Russia. India is a new partner in development of huge Iranian natural gas fields.

China and Russia depend on Iran in 2009.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:29 PM on 10/30/2009
- Guytar I'm a Fan of Guytar 30 fans permalink
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Russia has sold billions of dollars of technology to Iran in recent years to build their nuclear industry for domestic electricity power generation in the 21st century. Russia is the biggest direct influence in the Iranian nuclear programme.

China currently obtains about 15% of it's daily imported oil from Iran. It is in China's long term economic interest that Iran develops a a nuclear industry for domestic power generation. That would make more Iranian oil available for export to China in the next decade. There are many billions of dollars at stake.

President George W. Bush described Iran as an "axis of evil". Russia and China have developed their own much more friendly relationships with Iran in recent years.

Most current mainstream media comment about Iran's nuclear programme is ignorant beyond belief. The most recent media beat-up is about whether Iran should be forced to send it's 20% uranium enrichment of medical isotopes to Russia, and then France.

Iran is still flat out trying to achieve 5% uranium enrichment for basic electricity. The next level of 20% enrichment for medical isotopes and radiation therapy is even harder.

The 85% enrichment required for an Iranian nuclear weapon is in the realm of science fiction.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 PM on 10/30/2009
- Inquisitr I'm a Fan of Inquisitr 49 fans permalink

Relations with China and Russia does not a upstanding member of the international community make. Many would still consider China pretty evil.

And you're wrong about the 5% thing. Iran can most certainly reach 20%, just not with any consistancy. the flaw is in the engineering of thier centerfuges.

But they are still able to produce enough where it is a concern. They only need to get it right once.

And if you want to trust a Theocrat you're more than welcome to, but I would be objecting the same exact way if the pope was doing the same thing.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 10/30/2009

Yeah but America's lovey dovey relationships with the likes of Pinochet, Somoza, the Contras, the drug smugglers of the Northern alliance do not an upstanding member of the International community make.
Hell - maybe your comments would have more wight if the US wasn't in the practice of whining about drug smmugglers while placing known drug smugglers on its payroll
Maybe your comments would carry more wight if the US didn't fill its military with KNOWN paedophiles and encourage their antics (mention no names Stephen Green, Paul Cortez, James BArker)

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 PM on 10/30/2009

Well maybe your comment would have more wight if the US didn't rely on the Chinese to fund its economy - guess what you're saying is that the US is not an upstanding member of the International community

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:50 PM on 10/30/2009
- Guytar I'm a Fan of Guytar 30 fans permalink
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Russia and China are major strategic economic allies with Iran in 2009.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 PM on 10/30/2009
- Hirnlego I'm a Fan of Hirnlego 115 fans permalink
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Absolutely.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 PM on 10/30/2009
- Roozbeh I'm a Fan of Roozbeh 4 fans permalink

A democratic Israel is a natural ally of the nation of Iran - without Islamic Republic.

When the fate of the Islamic Republic is sealed there will be again Iran, Israel, and Arabs in the region. Without Israel the Arab armies would have over run Iran many times (at least, at Shah's time). Ahmadi... has been able to fool Arabs so far, but it will not last forever. When Ahmadi... and his kinds are gone, Arabs will still be there. I am not against anyone, only considering the history.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 PM on 10/30/2009
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Divide and conquer stuff? Maybe israel could sell both sides arms.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 PM on 10/30/2009
- alysheba 3 I'm a Fan of alysheba 3 48 fans permalink

Israel is not a true democracy. All citizens DO NOT haved equal rights under Israeli law.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 AM on 10/31/2009
- Hedonist I'm a Fan of Hedonist 22 fans permalink
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Which is 100% false. Arab citizens of Israel have equal rights. Far more rights, in fact, than Arabs do in any Arab country.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 10/31/2009
- Inquisitr I'm a Fan of Inquisitr 49 fans permalink

The problem is not that Iran has a right to nuclear energy, of course they do.

But they have lied, and been caught about thier nucelar work countless times. It's a theocratic regime, that rapes women so it can kill them (it's illegal to execute a virgin in Iran). Denies it's citizens the vote, then tortures and kills them when they try to peacefully protest it.

It funds Hezbollah along with other terrorist organizations, it says the missle program justifies thier nuclear program.

you could go on and on and on about the horror in Iran, Zero Civil rights, Students killed for wanting change....

They lost the right to nuclear power.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 PM on 10/30/2009
- vinny I'm a Fan of vinny 97 fans permalink
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"they lost their rights"

media slave

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 PM on 10/30/2009
- Inquisitr I'm a Fan of Inquisitr 49 fans permalink

What does that even mean? That adds zero to the debate.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 10/30/2009
- Hirnlego I'm a Fan of Hirnlego 115 fans permalink
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When the puppet Shah was in place the west worked hard giving Iran nuclear energy...

Iran liberation will have to come from the inside..its not like the west has shown much care for the Iranian people (either).

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 PM on 10/30/2009
- Hirnlego I'm a Fan of Hirnlego 115 fans permalink
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The NPT gives them right to nuclear power for civil use.

The weapons that the media and some nations are trying to scare people with won't magically turn up from nowhere.

Iran is a signatory, allows inspections and even has a fatwa against nuclear weapons. I'm not very concerned at all. I am however concerned about how easily another possible occupation is sold to the public..how gullible people are even after the apparent Iraq wmd lie.

Google:
"ElBaradei: Iran’s Nuclear ‘Threat’ Exaggerated"

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 PM on 10/30/2009

Iran enriching uranium wouldn't be a threat if they weren't governed by lunatics who constantly claim they want to destroy other countries.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 AM on 10/30/2009
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I would say exactly the same about israel.
(israel) enriching uranium wouldn't be a threat if they weren't governed by lunatics who constantly (actually do) destroy other countries. (Lebanon and Gaza)

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 PM on 10/30/2009

The only reason those places got destroyed is because they attacked Israel first and Israel defended itself. Israel wouldn't nuke these places because they don't need to and they are also too close. Israel is not governed by lunatics. It is governed by elected politicians who are actually doing a pretty decent job at managing the country compared to any of their totalitarian neighbors.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 PM on 10/30/2009
- Inquisitr I'm a Fan of Inquisitr 49 fans permalink

Hezbollah doesn't count for trying to destroy another country?

No one is saying Israel is guiltless, but this is a diffrerent conversation. By all means let's hold them accountable to nuclear standards.

But to make it seem liek Iran isn't a threat because Israel is also bad is foolish at least.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 PM on 10/30/2009
- StCuthbert I'm a Fan of StCuthbert 38 fans permalink
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Trying to change the topic by pointing the finger at Israel?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 PM on 10/31/2009
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I do not understand the level of concern in Europe or the US over Iran's nuclear ambitions.
Iran has never attacked anyone. And it would not with nuclear weapons because there would be retaliation in kind. And Iran is much more stable than Pakistan.
It seems biased or hypocritical to sanction Iran while ignoring the problem of israel's very opague, secretive WMD programs - nuclear, chemical and biological.
If you want to make the world safer then focus your efforts on israel's clandestine WMD's.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 AM on 10/30/2009

Great point. The counter proposal by Iran to enrich uranium to a highre level under supervision is a good compromise because Iran should have the rights to enrich uranium to any level so long as it does not weaponise it. isn't that the case? Why treat Iran different from say France. the only country that has ever use neclear weapon on humanbeing is the US and it still uses depleted uranium bombs against poor people in Iraq and Aganistan that will cause birth defects and cancer in the population for a long time. Talk about hipocracy!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 AM on 10/30/2009
- Inquisitr I'm a Fan of Inquisitr 49 fans permalink

Because I ran is run by a Theocrat.

They rape women so they can execute them, they torture thier own citizens, and use Gas and beat protestors who only wanted thier votes to count.

Iran funds Hezbollah, a terrorist organization, which has as it's flag a Mushroom cloud with a threat to Israel

the president of Iran has said of thier missle program that it justifies thier nuclear program, because he forgot you can't say that in public.

Do I need to go on?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 10/30/2009
- Roozbeh I'm a Fan of Roozbeh 4 fans permalink

'Why treat Iran different from say France'?

If you do not have a clue to differences between France and Iran, I don't think you have enough understanding of Iran. Where have you been last 30 years?

The next thing you are going to hear would be Pasdaran arming some terrorists with suit case bombs.

It would be eye opening for people of your mind to go and live in Iran for a year or so. Then you might faintly get acquainted with Iranian ways that might numb your feelings of civility. ONE MUST NEVER TRUST A FANATIC PASDAR.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 10/30/2009
- SFA I'm a Fan of SFA 14 fans permalink

What about Israel............

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 AM on 10/30/2009
- KIVPossum I'm a Fan of KIVPossum 73 fans permalink
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Shhhhhhh, they're our friends and they didn't sign the treaty....so all is well.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 AM on 10/30/2009

Israel is not governed by a lunatic theocracy like Iran. They won't use nukes unless nuked first.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 AM on 10/30/2009
- kentah I'm a Fan of kentah 13 fans permalink
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One, that is a totally subjective statement, there's no outward proof of "lunacy" or whatever cartoon words you need to use to try to defame another government. Two, you imply that Iran will "use nukes" without it being attacked by nukes. Please supply your proof., within the Israel/Iran framework, of Iran attacking anyone when not attacked first. Three, do you believe that the "lunatic theocracy" of Iran believes that god promised them their land?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 PM on 10/30/2009
- uansari1 I'm a Fan of uansari1 7 fans permalink

That is HIGHLY debatable. Many analysts and a few people in the Israeli government have indicated that Israel WOULD use first strike capabilities if it felt its existence was threatened.

I'm a big believe in MAD. It works and I wouldn't be troubled with nuclear parity in this region. Remember that throughout history, nuclear powers have never even had a full-scale conventional war for fear it could spiral into a nuclear exchange. Fear is the best motivator, period.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 PM on 10/30/2009
- Hirnlego I'm a Fan of Hirnlego 115 fans permalink
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Not nukes. But my guess is that bombs will fall on Iran before Iran launches its own as retaliation.

And this might drag in Russia, China and India...

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 PM on 10/30/2009
- Inquisitr I'm a Fan of Inquisitr 49 fans permalink

Israel isn't run by a Theocratic dictator, they don't rape female prisoners so they can execute them, and they don't torture thier own citizens for wanting to vote...

But no it's totally the same thign right?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 10/30/2009
- Mollabaji I'm a Fan of Mollabaji 17 fans permalink

Are you referring to U.S. Gitmo and other places where all those and more acts occure? With those records, you have no moral right to accuse others (out of ignorance of the facts, believing the MSM misinformation and propaganda).

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 PM on 10/30/2009

Rape female prisoners - well we KNOW that American soldiers rape little kids under the age of 13 - guess that makes america worse than Iran.
Oh but then I forget that America is a christian theocracy and given the antics of the Catholic Church, it would seem that carrying ou, encouraging and defending paedophilia is the central tenet of the Christian religion

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 PM on 10/30/2009
- StCuthbert I'm a Fan of StCuthbert 38 fans permalink
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Changing the topic again! Gosh, so quick to draw attention off Iran and on to Israel. What's up with that?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 PM on 10/31/2009

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