Valerie Jarrett Bungles Fox News Bias Question

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First Posted: 10-30-09 04:09 PM   |   Updated: 10-30-09 04:56 PM

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One of the things that's getting little discussion from Jon Stewart's penetrating take-down of Fox News yesterday night, is the way in which White House adviser Valerie Jarrett, when asked to compare Fox News to MSNBC, basically fumbled the exchange.

Interviewer: Do you think FOX News is biased?


Valerie Jarrett: Well of course they're biased, of course they are...

Interviewer: Do you also think MSNBC is biased?

Jarrett: Well, you know what, this is, this is the thing, I don't want, actually, I don't want to just generalize all FOX is biased, or another station is biased...

But that's silly! Valerie Jarrett definitely wants to generalize about the biases of Fox. And why not? As Stewart points out, "Just say of course MSNBC is biased, but they agree with us! So we're not fighting with them!"

Of course, that's a bit of an oversimplification. Joe Scarborough is a former GOP Congressman-turned-MSNBC host who frequently objects to the Obama administration. Dylan Ratigan, formerly of CNBC, frequently objects to the Obama administration and Democrats for their failures to ameliorate the ills of the financial markets. Ed Schultz is a liberal firebrand who frequently calls out the Obama administration for abandoning the Democratic party base. Rachel Maddow is a beloved figure in liberal circles, yet here she is, criticizing the Obama administration on detainee policy. Here she is again, criticizing the Obama administration on how they handled the financial crisis.

All of which demonstrates a distinction between MSNBC and Fox that Mickey Kaus got exactly right when this "war on Fox" first bloomed (emphasis from the original):

I guess there are two distinct axes on which you can judge press organizations--actually, there are many more than two (see below), but two are important here: 1) Neutrality--Are they attempting to be "objective," trying to serve the "public interest" in some balanced way, or are they ideologically (or otherwise) driven in a way that inevitably colors their coverage--what topics they pick, what 'experts' they rely on, etc. 2) Independence--Whether they are biased or generally neutral, can somebody--a political party, a Mafia family, a government-- tell them what to do?


I think it's pretty clear MSNBC and the NYT and Breitbart.tv are not neutral. They all have an agenda and they pursue it. But they are independent. The Obama White House can't tell Bill Keller what to do. They can't tell Keith Olbermann what to do. (They can suck up to him, and it will probably work, but that's a different issue.) Breitbart is for sure independent--I can't see anyone telling him what to do.

I think Fox is also not neutral (which, again, doesn't bother me) but it's also not independent (which does). This isn't because it's owned by Rupert Murdoch--moguls are, typically among the more independent sorts. It's because it's run by Roger Ailes. I have zero faith that Ailes is independent of the Republican party or, specifically, those Republicans who have occupied the White House recently--the Bushes. As I said, I think if Karl Rove called Ailes in 2003 and said "We don't want so much coverage of X" it's extremely likely that X would not be covered on Fox. A ... suggestive example of Fox's loyalty is the debate on immigration, in which Ailes' network initially seemed to try valiantly--against the beliefs of most of its audience--to push the Bush White House line in favor of "comprehensive" legalization (while brushing aside its viewers' views).

Now, I have to imagine that Kaus views Stewart's segment from last night as a rather elegant demonstration of his point -- party hack talking points are absorbed by Fox and opined upon. Those opinions become reported news. The reported news is re-advanced by the opinion meisters as confirmation of the validity of their opinions. The reheated opinions attract more newsy attention. Then they throw a Tea Party, and voila, the talking point is out in the world, from the GOP's brain to the lips of protesters, laundered and amplified by Fox's Party-cle accelerator. Now, if they wanted to, MSNBC could make a series of editorial decisions and build a set of mechanisms to mimic this sort of thing, but as it stands right now, nothing of this kind is happening there.

Going forward, whenever Valerie Jarrett is asked what makes Fox different from MSNBC, she can simply say, "What Jon Stewart said." Stewart has basically done her a solid (in a strictly non-neutral but independent way) by pointing out what he pointed out. (And The Daily Show again demonstrates their dizzying capacity to produce razor-sharp, well-researched critiques. REAL TALK: their capability in this regard far exceeds the White House's own.) But let's face it, Jarrett should have had a clear and concise answer at the ready. How could the question, comparing Fox to MSNBC not have been anticipated from Jump Street? All of this basically reiterates to me that the White House decided to do battle with Fox without much of an idea about what they were going to do once they let slip the dogs of war.

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One of the things that's getting little discussion from Jon Stewart's penetrating take-down of Fox News yesterday night, is the way in which White House adviser Valerie Jarrett, when asked to compare ...
One of the things that's getting little discussion from Jon Stewart's penetrating take-down of Fox News yesterday night, is the way in which White House adviser Valerie Jarrett, when asked to compare ...
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- Matt7 I'm a Fan of Matt7 241 fans permalink

Jon Steward already lampooned Jarrett last week, several days after this interview, for not aiming her words clearly, concisely and directly toward the earned and intended target. Why is this ANOTHER story again, THIS week?

Is your point that Valerie Jarrett is not as good at monitoring­/measuring­/clarifyin­g her words as the President had to become, after going through two continuous years of daily parsing by the press, pundidts and political adversaries? What's your point?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:35 PM on 11/02/2009
- bertha112 I'm a Fan of bertha112 2 fans permalink
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Thanks Matt7,

Your question(S) is more compentent than this story. I didn't know if I was reading about the Daily Show's accomplishment or Jarret's bungling. I love the Daily Show, and I'd be willing to bet the WH wishes they could be as "Direct" as Stewart and Co., but it ain't gonna happen because the media is monitoring every word, syllable, inflection and punctuation mark that comes from this administra­tion....an­d the WH knows it.

What the press has labeled a "war" between Faux News and the WH is getting to be old news altogether.

It seems that everyone wants to criticize the WH for doing what the media themselves should be doing - a thorough self assessment of its body of work.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 AM on 11/03/2009
- BOin08 I'm a Fan of BOin08 7 fans permalink

MSNBC needs to stop hunting the Republican bogey man and ghosts of GWB. The previous administration is irrelevant -they are out pf power! If you want you ratings to go up start acting like a news organization and less like the History Channel. At least Fox is asking tough questions to today's power.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:54 PM on 11/02/2009
- squarebird I'm a Fan of squarebird 4 fans permalink

Exactly! I am feeling somehow the fool that the legions of compatriots who were at my side when I kepy a close eye on GWB's attempts to throw the Executive Branch's weight around are now trying to silence me when speak up about the current President doing the same. Indeed, it seems the same people would now like to give the Executive branch even more power to make and execute decisions without bothering with an opposition. Please people! Obama will not be President forever! The danger of a popular President like Kennedy is that the powers we cede to him are retained by the next President Nixon who knows how to use those powers.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 AM on 11/09/2009
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"All of which demonstrates a distinction between MSNBC and Fox..."

Well, yes indeed! MSNBC is far left and criticizes Obama for not being overtly lefty enough!

Fox, certainly more conservative than Obama and than MSNBC, tends to criticize for his not being conservative enough!

Now that I have offered these blazing insights into the perfectly obvious, not to say tautological, you can stop publishing this sort of inanity and get on to the usual petty sniping at conservati­ves...

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 PM on 11/02/2009
- akababs I'm a Fan of akababs 15 fans permalink

Valerie certainly didn't handle this well, but the question itself, suggests that the interviewer thinks that her network is not biased, when in fact, CNN is biased toward stupidity, self-aggrandizement and fake neutrality. Valerie should have said that all networks have a bias, neutral reporting of "just the facts," is no longer a matter of journalistic integrity. It's all about ratings and obviously foolishness sells. Some network commentators at least have the decency not to pretend to be "unbiased" in any way. Campbell Brown should take a lesson from Obermann - take a side and stay on it.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:46 PM on 11/01/2009

Excuse me! Fox News' so-called elite Newsman...­Chris Wallace...­just gave Rush Limbaugh 30 minutes of prime Sunday air time to attack Obama.

This is NEWS?????

Is Limbaugh an expert on ANYTHING? Has he a college degree, has he worked in government at any level? Has he ever gone abroad to cover a news story?

We now know where that Networks prioritiues are...not H1N1 (didn't Rush claim that it was a conspiracy to "help the healthcare bill, and discouraged people from getting the vaccine), not getting real economists to discuss the economic crisis, not inviting real specialists (maybe somne Dutch, French, British or Canadian doctors to discuss their nations health programs)?

Instead we get a guy who admits he's just a rabble-rousing "entertainer" with a right-wing ideology.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 11/01/2009
- Read Books I'm a Fan of Read Books 14 fans permalink

"Is Limbaugh an expert on ANYTHING?"

20 million listeners (I am not one of them) seem to like Rush's political views.

Is Obama an expert on anything besides giving campaign speeches?

Both men have been successful because they are great thinkers and communicators.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 PM on 11/02/2009
- Peleador I'm a Fan of Peleador 16 fans permalink

Well, one of them is a great thinker.

I haven't heard an even slightly original thought come out of Obama's head ever.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 PM on 11/08/2009
- BOin08 I'm a Fan of BOin08 7 fans permalink

By your standards Limbaugh is just as qualified to comment on politics as Keith Olbermann. Other than a bachelors (softest of all degrees) in communications, Keith has none of qualifications you site. Unless reading scoreboards counts as news experience.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:37 PM on 11/02/2009

VJ is still thinks that she is in Chicago running the show. LOL
Shame.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:20 PM on 11/01/2009
- BOin08 I'm a Fan of BOin08 7 fans permalink

MSNBC is the only news organization that we need to cover the Obama adminsitra­tion--they­'ll ask the tough questions- and speak truth to power. Anyone who questions thier motivation is a racists.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 PM on 11/01/2009
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I can't decide if that's satire or not--can you let me know?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 11/02/2009
- BOin08 I'm a Fan of BOin08 7 fans permalink

I like your satire

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:40 PM on 11/02/2009
- Peleador I'm a Fan of Peleador 16 fans permalink

I'd say satire, except he managed to use 'truth to power' in a sentence.

Does any conservative understands what the hell that means? Does any liberal?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 PM on 11/08/2009
- factotem I'm a Fan of factotem 132 fans permalink
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No Valerie, and No H P. The answer to the quesstion is that Fox is thoughtless propaganda that can't even be brought into agreement with itself. MSNBC is thoughtfullly argued support for the more thoughtful party.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 AM on 11/01/2009
- AnnfromCA I'm a Fan of AnnfromCA 183 fans permalink

Sorry. This point made about independence is simply not the issue. It's not about Olberman versus Fox news shows.

The question was about MSN news versus Fox news. And there isn't one bit difference between the bias factors of both. They both select news stories due to the bias, they focus on various points due to their bias, and everyone with a brain knows it.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 AM on 11/01/2009
- DeloresT I'm a Fan of DeloresT 24 fans permalink

I have a brain....a­nd I KNOW that there is NO bias like Fox biases.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:46 PM on 11/01/2009

Finally someone with some sense posting. Hypocrisy and bias are on both networks.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 AM on 11/02/2009
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I beg to differ. Fox is much less blatantly biased in the NEWS reporting part of their broadcasts. They try to do it straight. They do have their opinionated folks--Hannity, et al, but they also put on Juan Williams, Jane Whats-her-name, Kirsten Powers, Geraldo Rivera, and others in fair measure.

MSNBC may have ONE token semi-conservative or so.

And they slant THE NEWS.

News should be impartial. Opinion should not cloud it. Fox does a much better job of keeping opinion out of the NEWS reporting they do.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 PM on 11/02/2009

I totally get what you are saying. I enjoy watching Seans show but he struggles being objective. Glen is/was equally negative about post and present administrations. Bill tries to be fair, sometimes I think his bias comes through and not always on the conservative side. It would be unfair of me to say MSNBC is totally biased because I can't stomach watching KO and RM so I stay as far away from their station as possible.

In all fairness though, when a viewer can predict how a story is going to be reported, i.e. how would Sean Hannity react, then you kow there has to be a bias. Again, in all fairness, he does not hide that he is a conservative.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 PM on 11/02/2009
- ljc I'm a Fan of ljc 112 fans permalink

I woke up early today and was channel surfing. There is actually a show on Fox with a panel that discusses Bias in the media....h­ahahahahah­ah, hehehehehehehehe, ho,ho,ho,ho,ho, deep breath, hahahahahaha, hehehehehehehehe, ho,ho,ho,ho,ho,. Rich Lowry and Judith Miller are on the panel.

Yikes....

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 AM on 11/01/2009
- audit I'm a Fan of audit 5 fans permalink
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Off Topic - anyone see the youtube about the Russians not shakling the Presidents hand? WTF?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:49 AM on 11/01/2009

If its not Putin's hand no reason to try.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:15 PM on 11/01/2009

Are you surprised? Russians are racists historicaly.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:23 PM on 11/01/2009
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This woman responds like all the Libs, especially those in the WH. She stumbles, changes the subject, and feigns indignity that someone would question the the King and his court of jesters.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:28 AM on 11/01/2009
- arizonabay I'm a Fan of arizonabay 18 fans permalink
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Hmm.. that sounds a lot like the Repubs to me.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 AM on 11/01/2009

Hmmm. Sounds alot like a democrat to me.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 AM on 11/02/2009

That is a flaw typical among politicians of all parties. The fact that you think it only happens with "libs" reveals more about you than the people you criticize.

The real question is why don't we have more "real journalists" who tackle issues with as much depth and honesty and razor-edged perceptiveness as Jon Stewart. A comedian is taking them all to school, would they please learn the lesson already???

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 AM on 11/01/2009
- DeloresT I'm a Fan of DeloresT 24 fans permalink

Sounds like your leader: Geedubya Bush.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:50 PM on 11/01/2009
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fox news biased?...­do birds fly....do fish swim..that­'s like saying the sun comes up in the morning and sets at night...It­'s a no brainer!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:15 AM on 11/01/2009

Fox is as balanced as an auto company using blondes to sell cars.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 AM on 11/01/2009

MSNBC uses brunettes and you'd understand the point.

And go buy a bike.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:16 PM on 11/01/2009
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little mousey!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:34 AM on 11/01/2009
- Lulubelle1 I'm a Fan of Lulubelle1 81 fans permalink

News by definition values truth and facts before analysis or ideology. For any reportage to qualify as "news," facts must be gathered in an objective way. Conclusions may be drawn after as much fact as possible is assembled, but "news" does not seek only the facts that confirm pre-existing conclusions. (Kind of like science -- you can't go into it with an intent to exclude results that contradict your hypothesis­.)

If the facts are filtered to support an ideology, or to produce some effect, it's not "news."

MSNBC does offer criticism, and does present facts counter to its liberal bias (which we all know is there). Therefore MSNBC does have some respect for the journalistic process, whereas FOX does not.

MSNBC: facts before conclusions
FOX: conclusions before facts

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:19 AM on 11/01/2009
- fireW I'm a Fan of fireW 16 fans permalink
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Let's not ignore the historical fact that Fox not only presents conclusion before facts, it routinely invents "facts" to bolster its partisan conclusions, as patently absurd as they typically are. That alone is enough to argue that Fox & MSNBC shouldn't really be mentioned in the same sentence if one is seriously discussing legitimate journalism.
Between the two, MSNBC is the only one actually doing any.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:24 AM on 11/01/2009
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To say that MSNBC practices legitimate journalism is to say that elephants fly. There is a reason why MSNBC has viturally no viewers in any meaningful time slot. Americans are disgusted with the twisted, Obama worship displayed on this network.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:31 AM on 11/01/2009
- rancone I'm a Fan of rancone 3 fans permalink

Jarrett bungled when she accepted the question as presented - it was an in accurate question - a gotcha question. Bias is not the question - distortion - especially ongoing distortion for one particular objective. Fox news is determined to undermine the effectiveness of the Obama administration, a permitted bias, not permitted when when distortions are the stable of the presentations made on a "news" show.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 AM on 11/01/2009
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My observation is that you have it backward. Can you give some examples?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 PM on 11/02/2009
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