Boehner's Health Care Bill At Odds With Pre-Existing GOP Positions

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First Posted: 11- 3-09 12:03 PM   |   Updated: 11- 3-09 02:55 PM

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The health legislation authored by House Republicans and set to be unveiled in the next few days reportedly would not prevent health insurance companies from discriminating against patients with pre-existing conditions.

That's not just a stark contrast to Democratic-produced legislation; it puts Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) and his co-authors at odds with many members of their own party.

Many of the most respected health care voices in the GOP have historically treated the idea of eliminating pre-existing condition exclusions as an obvious plank in any reform effort. A Democratic opposition researcher provided the Huffington Post with several examples.

Even deeply conservative figures like Senator Tom Coburn (R-Okl) insisted as recently as August that "everyone agrees" that legislation should "eliminate pre-existing conditions" as an excuse for denying coverage.

Coburn's colleague in the Senate, John Barrasso (R-Wyo.), explained in July that after listening to people in his home state, he understood that Congress needed "to take care of things like pre-existing conditions so that that doesn't stop them from getting insurance."

Another Senate Republican who was heavily involved in negotiating health care reform, Chuck Grassley of Iowa, has unequivocally declared that the government has "to prohibit insurers from denying coverage to people with preexisting medical conditions and charging higher premiums to people who are sick."

Even the Republican Whip in the Senate, Jon Kyl of Arizona, has stressed the need to make sure that patients "cannot be denied care because [they] have a pre-existing condition..."

On the House side as well, many Republicans will find themselves at odds with the legislation that their leadership is about to introduce.

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Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wisc.), who is widely regarded as one of the sharpest health care policy wonks in Republican circles, told MSNBC back in May that consumers needed to have "access to affordable coverage, regardless of [their] pre-existing condition." Representative Dave Camp (R-Mich), meanwhile, has insisted that Republicans "must address" the issue of pre-existing conditions. Rep. Joe Barton (R-Tex.) has called for the creation of a "straightforward national plan that covers pre-existing conditions."

To be sure, Boehner's forthcoming proposal includes a host of other provisions that conservatives hold close to their hearts. The bill, according to a report from Dow Jones, "would allow insurance firms to sell policies across state lines, permit small businesses to pool together to bring down costs they face, implement changes to medical malpractices, and give state governments more flexibility to pursue rule changes in their states."

And in an email on Tuesday to the Huffington Post, the Minority Leader's chief spokesman stressed that the GOP proposal will contain alternative provisions to deal with the pre-existing condition issue.

"There's been a lot of confusion about this," said Boehner spokesman Michael Steel. "Our bill will help folks with pre-existing conditions, we just do it differently. We expand and improve high-risk pools and reinsurance programs as well as expanded options in the individual markets. We will also lower the costs by creating state-level plan finders. The Democrats' big-government mandate will raise costs for every American with health insurance and cause more Americans to lose their current coverage."

The approach reflects the stance taken by other Republicans, who have downplayed the regulatory role the government can play in determining who private health insurers will or will not cover. During the 2008 presidential campaign, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) did not put the elimination of discrimination based on pre-existing conditions in his health care reform proposal. Instead, he proposed a Guaranteed Access Plan, which, according to his campaign, would use state funds to "contract with insurers to cover patients who have been denied insurance and could join with other state plans to enlarge pools and lower overhead costs."

Still, at this juncture in the health care reform debate, even the private insurance industry has conceded that it will likely have to end or drastically alter its pre-existing condition policies (provided that there is a mandate that all people -- healthy or not -- purchase insurance in the first place).

Boehner's apparent resistance to attaching that provision to the House GOP health care package leaves him susceptible to the political attack that he is overly friendly to the insurance industry.

The health legislation authored by House Republicans and set to be unveiled in the next few days reportedly would not prevent health insurance companies from discriminating against patients with pre-...
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The conservative plan...

Collect Campaign contributions from insurance companies and corporate health care.
Lie_ about how collecting contributions do not effect their policies.
Stall while more contributions pore in.
Deny the facts such as how other developed countries have better health care.
Write bills benefiting insurance companies and corporate health care.

repeat above...

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 PM on 11/08/2009
- Birdman I'm a Fan of Birdman 34 fans permalink

Boehner's Health Care Bill At Odds With Pre-Existing GOP Positions

Since it is a pre-existing condition then their position disqualifies them to participate, just like their beloved insurance companies do to the rest of us we should do to them., and deny them coverage or in this case deny them the abilty to participate in anything relevent due to their pre-existing positions.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 PM on 11/04/2009
- Fotios I'm a Fan of Fotios 15 fans permalink

The GOP plan:

Pass all the tough decisions off to the states, which is great because the states don't have any money and have less bargaining power than the Federal Government, ensuring that insurance companies can make more money by crossing state lines and don't have to be bothered with cutting costs.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 AM on 11/04/2009

whats wrong with letting insurance companies sell across state lines? While that alone is not healthcare reform, I don't see any reason not to do it. In some states 70-90% of the healthcare market is controlled by one company. And Where there are only a 2 or 3 companies in the market to choose from. Giving me or my employer more plans to choose from sounds good to me.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:50 AM on 11/06/2009
- Fotios I'm a Fan of Fotios 15 fans permalink

I'm not opposed to letting them cross state lines, as long as we remove the anti-trust exemption and force costs down. I was only pointing out that the crossing state lines only increases profit and doesn't necessarily lower costs. Without anything in the bill to encourage them to cut costs, who's to say that they won't use that extra money to increase salaries and bonuses?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 PM on 11/07/2009
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"Even deeply conservative figures like Senator Tom Coburn (R-Okl) insisted as recently as August that "everyone agrees" that legislation should "eliminate pre-existing conditions" as an excuse for denying coverage.

Coburn's colleague in the Senate, John Barrasso (R-Wyo.), explained in July that after listening to people in his home state, he understood that Congress needed "to take care of things like pre-existing conditions so that that doesn't stop them from getting insurance."

Sen. John Barrasso is a medical doctor by trade, we are told. However, I wonder if he did not instinctively know that patients do not like being cut off from obtaining insurance, because they are unlucky enough to have preexisting conditions? I mean, did he actually have to learn that self-evident fact from "listening to people in his home state"?



Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/03/boehners-health-care-bill_n_343792.html

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 AM on 11/04/2009

I think that means he's heard that from enough people, he's concerned voting against reform that gets rid of pre-existing conditions might get him unelected.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:52 AM on 11/06/2009

The trend continues - incompetence, irrelevance and incoherence - a side show.

It reminds me of the kids dinner table at a Thanksgiving dinner.

The adults are busy talking about important stuff over at the grown-ups table while the kids are, well kids.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 AM on 11/04/2009
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boehner's bill fits on an index card

all the time he's able to spend reading legislation

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 AM on 11/04/2009
- poonchkie I'm a Fan of poonchkie 2 fans permalink

We should all be afraid, very afraid. According to the Repubs and their minions, we are at risk from
1) The POTUS
2) Mexicans
3) Muslims
4) Gays
5) Anyone who disagrees with them. (anti-Americans)
After the last 8 years of compassionate conservative rule we are
1) poorer
2) sicker
3) afraid
4) confused
5) killers of innocents and destroyers of soverign nations.

Surely they know what's best for us.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 PM on 11/03/2009
- st0ked I'm a Fan of st0ked 32 fans permalink
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Of course , they always know what's best , their minders tell them ! Senator Tan-a-Lot , the compassion in his eyes is ... well , it's there , somewhere . I think . Wait a minute ,wait a minute . Nope , that was just a look he gets when thinking of all his own benefits , you know : the ones the voters furnish ? We pay for everything ,everywhere and for everyone else , but we get nothing . Just the bill and the clean-up . It must change .

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 AM on 11/04/2009
- winnie47 I'm a Fan of winnie47 37 fans permalink
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This is so-called health care plan is nothing but a mash-up of ideas the G-No-P has been kicking around for the last ten years. They are so unpopular the Rethugs couldn't pass them even when they had the majority. And that 'high risk pool' idea is ridiculous. If you take all the people with preexisting conditions and throw them all into a group, it just makes a BIGGER high risk. How does that lower cost? But then, I wouldn't expect logic from the party that took us from 'peace, prosperity and a balanced budget' to 'war, Depression and a trillion dollar deficit' in 8 short years.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 PM on 11/03/2009
- Birdman I'm a Fan of Birdman 34 fans permalink

Make that a 4 trillion dollar defict :-)

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 PM on 11/04/2009
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Besides the terrible plan (being loose with term 'plan') it is hard to propose anything when your party is in the business of saying NO and shooting down everything that comes their way as a matter of deliberate partisan politics.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 PM on 11/03/2009
- worldsam I'm a Fan of worldsam 5 fans permalink
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Deserves to be flushed down the toilet.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:35 PM on 11/03/2009
- cirrus9 I'm a Fan of cirrus9 14 fans permalink
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Republicans everywhere (all 20%) can sure be proud!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:35 PM on 11/03/2009
- Eldienne I'm a Fan of Eldienne 8 fans permalink
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Repost: So this is what the Republicans call "Health Care Reform"?! It makes you want to both laugh AND cry. It's just like these fools to come up with such a thing, and it's just one of the many reasons why so many Americans hate them so much.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:28 PM on 11/03/2009

HATE is such a strong emotionally charged word that has no purpose in a public debate - but I approve of its use in the case that you present. It's so true.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 AM on 11/04/2009
- Earl Brown I'm a Fan of Earl Brown 20 fans permalink
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furthermore, as much as I loathe the presidents and congress' handling of this precious issue.. If Reid thinks he and the dems can dig in for the good fight on this one and win with a long term strategy, I suppose I can get behind... only if there is no way to do it know.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:15 PM on 11/03/2009
- Earl Brown I'm a Fan of Earl Brown 20 fans permalink
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What a joke the Boehner bill is. I agree that fiscal conservatism in many arenas is valid and necessary, such as war or financial de-regulation and providing outlandish subsidies to companies who move over-seas...

However, the one thing that we absolutely should not be focused on is the cost of the health of this nation. Healthcare if done right will be expensive but the point the Republicans intentionally miss, is that it is necessary to know when to spend and when to save.

Boehners bill does absolutely nothing in the arena of real desperately needed reform and much like himself is a joke and a laughing stock.

Until we have single payer healthcare in which the least of us can be as healthy and as able to battle illness and death as the wealthy. This system is immoral and the best example of class warfare on the books.

Shame on Us.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:14 PM on 11/03/2009

exactly - imagine a system that is set up so that IF you have a JOB you're valued as a human being and you can have HEALTH CARE coverage* and then that system fails to produce the necessary jobs so that citizens have access to adequate quality HEALTH CARE. Being valued as a human being was an old NAZI Germany slogan "Arbeit macht Frei" seen in concentration camps, which literally means "work makes you free" but translates to mean if you're not working you're not worthy. That's what our current health care situation puts into practice. It's immoral.

*not available in every labor endeavor see your company's HR Dept. for more information

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 AM on 11/04/2009
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Here he goes again.

Make up anything on the fly. Next he'll say he "overlooked" this segment of putting it in the bill.

He's one of a kind.

Wonder how Cantor feels about this. Stupid question....smile, nod and agree.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:12 PM on 11/03/2009
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