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LISA LEFF and DAVID CRARY | 11/ 4/09 05:19 PM | AP

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SAN FRANCISCO — Stunned and angry, national gay rights leaders Wednesday blamed scare-mongering ads – and President Barack Obama's lack of engagement – for a bitter election setback in Maine that could alter the dynamics for both sides in the gay-marriage debate.

Conservatives, in contrast, celebrated Maine voters' rejection of a law that would have allowed gay couples to wed, depicting it as a warning shot that should deter politicians in other states from pushing for same-sex marriage.

"Every time the citizens have voted on marriage, they have always sided with natural marriage," said Mathew Staver, founder of Liberty Counsel, a Florida-based Christian legal group. "Maine dramatically illustrates the will of the people, and politicians should wake up and listen."

Gay activists were frustrated that Obama, who insists he staunchly supports their overall civil rights agenda, didn't speak out forcefully in defense of Maine's marriage law before Tuesday's referendum. The law was repealed in a vote of 53 percent to 47 percent.

"President Obama missed an opportunity to state his position against these discriminatory attacks with the clarity and moral imperative that would have helped in this close fight," said Evan Wolfson of the national advocacy group Freedom to Marry. "The anti-gay forces are throwing millions of dollars into various unsubtle ads aimed at scaring people, so subtle statements from the White House are not enough."

The White House, asked about the criticism, had no immediate comment.

The marriage debate is simmering in at least a half-dozen states where a same-sex marriage bill is pending or where a court ruling or existing law is being eyed by conservatives for possible challenge.

Had Maine's law been upheld by voters, it would have become the sixth state to legalize gay marriage – and the first to affirm it by popular vote. In Massachusetts, Vermont, Connecticut, New Hampshire and Iowa, gay marriage resulted from court decisions or legislation.

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California is sure to be a major battleground over the next several years. Last year, conservatives succeeded in winning public approval of Proposition 8, which overturned a state court ruling allowing gay marriage. Gay rights groups want to take the issue back to the voters but are divided on a timetable.

In the aftermath of the Maine vote, some California activists appealed to their supporters for money to help them put a measure on the 2010 ballot. Other activist leaders want to wait until 2012.

"It's never too early to go back to right a fundamental wrong," said Chaz Lowe of Yes! on Equality, who favors shooting for 2010. "A lot of people are angry, a lot of people are upset. It at least has the potential to be a mobilization for the grass roots."

Some California activists said the outcome in Maine strengthened their belief that it will fall to the U.S. Supreme Court – not the voters – to make gay marriage legal. A federal lawsuit challenging Prop. 8 is scheduled to go to trial in January, the first step in a legal journey that is expected to reach the high court in a few years.

"The results in Maine underscore exactly why we are challenging California's same-sex marriage ban," said Chad Griffin, president of the American Foundation for Equal Rights, the Los Angeles group spearheading the lawsuit. "The U.S. Constitution guarantees equal rights to every American, and when those rights are violated, it is the role of our courts to protect us, regardless of what the polls say."

The situation elsewhere:

_ In New Jersey, the election Tuesday of Republican Chris Christie as governor puts extra pressure on gay rights supporters to win passage of a pending same-sex marriage bill before the legislative session ends in January. Christie says he would veto such a bill, while lame-duck Gov. Jon Corzine, a Democrat, says he would sign it.

_ In Iowa, where the state Supreme Court legalized gay marriage last April, conservatives have no quick way to overturn the ruling. Their only option would be to amend the state constitution through a ballot measure – in 2014 at the earliest – and that effort would need approval from a legislature whose current Democratic leaders don't even want to debate the issue.

_ In New Hampshire, conservatives have filed legislation to repeal the state's new gay-marriage law and amend the constitution to ban such unions. Kevin Smith, executive director of the conservative Cornerstone Policy Research, said he doubts the measures will pass, but hopes the vote in Maine will give gay-marriage opponents ammunition for the 2010 elections.

"It gives us more fodder to go back to people and say, 'Look, they aren't letting you vote on it,'" Smith said.

_ In Washington, D.C., conservatives are trying to force a popular vote on a bill headed toward City Council approval that would legalize gay marriage. Michael Crawford, one of the leaders of the local pro-gay marriage campaign, said the result in Maine increased his determination to avoid a ballot measure.

"The same cabal of anti-gay groups who stripped away marriage equality from our families in California and Maine now have their sights on D.C.," he said.

Crawford was among numerous gay rights leaders complaining about the campaign tactics of the groups that opposed same-sex marriage in Maine and California.

In both states, California-based political strategist Frank Schubert oversaw an advertising campaign warning that "homosexual marriage" would be taught in public schools.

The campaign to defend gay marriage countered that Maine's state curriculum guidelines contain no reference to marriage, and the state's Democratic attorney general, Janet Mills, issued an opinion backing that up. But the ads continued.

"It is infuriating to see that the same fear-mongering ads that were used to pass Prop. 8 a year ago have triumphed again at the expense of so many," said Joe Solmonese of the Human Rights Campaign, the largest national gay rights group.

Tony Perkins, president of the conservative Family Research Council, came away with a different message.

"Over and over again, the American people have affirmed marriage at the ballot box and turned aside the demands of a movement that remains largely driven by Hollywood, some extreme activists and a few activist judges," he said. "We hope the message sent by Maine's voters will be heard in Washington and state capitals around the nation."

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David Crary reported from New York.

SAN FRANCISCO — Stunned and angry, national gay rights leaders Wednesday blamed scare-mongering ads – and President Barack Obama's lack of engagement – for a bitter election setback ...
SAN FRANCISCO — Stunned and angry, national gay rights leaders Wednesday blamed scare-mongering ads – and President Barack Obama's lack of engagement – for a bitter election setback ...
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- Artemis34 I'm a Fan of Artemis34 153 fans permalink
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Religion is not relevant. This is an issue for our secular government.

This issue is civil marriage. That is why you have to get divorced in court.

Gays and lesbians already can and do have religious weddings and religious marriages.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:44 AM on 11/15/2009
- Debra Cole I'm a Fan of Debra Cole 5 fans permalink
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I support gays to have the right to marry. But the LGBT community needs to chill out until we get healthcare reform. The majority of Americans do no support gay marriage. Obama knows this and can't spend political currency on gay issues with healthcare still pending. Quite frankly, it is not the most important issue facing this country right now. No one has died because they can't get married. But our healthcare system is cruel and inhumane. Also, we have a loud paranoid conservative wing in our country who plays on people's fears with words like "socialism," "government take over," and "communist­." They are very powerful and we can't assume that the winds of rational thinking will eventually blow over these people. With all of that in mind, gay marriage will just add fuel to the fire. The right will explode and healthcare will be thrown out again. Obama knows his enemies will hijack the issue and ruin everything. I'm sure he has studied the Clinton years very carefully. So gays and lesbians out there, don't fall into that liberal trap where you expect everything to be perfect in a short period of time. If Obama serves 2 terms, and at the end of the second he still hasn't done anything for the gays. Then you have the right to be resentful. But right now, channel your efforts by seeking change in the courts and the culture. Your expectations of this President are too high.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 PM on 11/13/2009
- Artemis34 I'm a Fan of Artemis34 153 fans permalink
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“Rights aren't given to those who wait, they're won by those who agitate.” ~Andrew Young

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:34 AM on 11/15/2009
- talkinhedz I'm a Fan of talkinhedz 18 fans permalink
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First.you have to get Websters to change the definition of marriage.
Second, get them to change the definition of Gay! As of now..there are 2 distinct definitions for Gay..yet only one is used anymore for purposes of Political Correctness.
Whats next?
If you use the 'minority rights" argument..­that opens up a whole new argument for all types of splinter groups.
The majority of the US has no problem with legal domestic partnerships which is I believe a right for all. That way..you get all the rights and headaches of married people without haveing to change the dictionary.
Why is that not good enough?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 PM on 11/11/2009
- sheikwil4 I'm a Fan of sheikwil4 11 fans permalink
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They knew the POTUS view on gay marriage when they voted for him. He agree with Gay people rights to have a Civil Union and feel marriage is between a man and a women according to God's word> I too say everyone has a right to love who they love and agree with the POTUS view, but if the LGBT cOMMUNITY want to blame the POTUS, then they will lose some of the heterosexual. community. I am AA, and the AA religious community fear the raft of God, so they don't want to turn off a group that may support them because we know what it's like to not have all your rights. In California, I think the other things that was in their elections may have caused the AA community to vote against Prop 8, but of course the media blamed the AA community in California, rather than how they had the voting information lumped together without making it clear on what they were voting on other than the President. I just made the same mistake 2 weeks ago and voted for the wrong person to be the President of our school board because they had the one I wanted under something pertaining to Family issues, I simply voted my party line because I knew all those people and I assumed she was in that rope, which she wasn't. So gay people hold on, give the man time. he has more important things to fix first.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 PM on 11/14/2009
- Artemis34 I'm a Fan of Artemis34 153 fans permalink
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Wrong. Pres. Obama was FOR gay marriage before he was against it.

http://www.davidmixner.com/2009/05/president-obama-once-strongly-supported-marriage-equality.html
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0109/Obama_backed_samesex_marriage_in_1996.html

n a 1996 questionnaire filled out for a Chicago gay and lesbian newspaper, then called Outlines, Obama came out clearly in favor of same-sex marriage, which he has opposed on the public record throughout his short career in national politics.

"“I favor legalizing same-sex marriages,and would fight efforts to prohibit such marriages,” Obama wrote in the typed, signed, statement.

On another questionnaire the same year, Obama said he would support a resolution in support of same-sex marriage."

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 AM on 11/15/2009
- Artemis34 I'm a Fan of Artemis34 153 fans permalink
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The President did make 5 promises to gays and lesbians:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/subjects/gays-and-lesbians/

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 AM on 11/15/2009
- Artemis34 I'm a Fan of Artemis34 153 fans permalink
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The President said he was a great "multi-tas­ker."

And as you should know, when you don't have your civil rights, little seems to be "more important" than that.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 AM on 11/15/2009
- Artemis34 I'm a Fan of Artemis34 153 fans permalink
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I'd recommend you spend more time reading the bible and less time "fearing the wrath of G-d."

There is no prohibition of lesbianism whatsoever in the bible but there is a celebration of love between Ruth and Naomi.

The passages of the bible that are used against homosexuals were mistranslated. There is no prohibition of committed adult relationships in the bible.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 AM on 11/15/2009
- Artemis34 I'm a Fan of Artemis34 153 fans permalink
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You are aware that they bible was used to justify enslaving African Americans, to justify racial hate in general and to justify racially discriminatory marriage laws, are you not?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 AM on 11/15/2009
- Artemis34 I'm a Fan of Artemis34 153 fans permalink
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Webster has already been changed:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/MARRIAGE

"(2) : the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage "

Get with the times!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 AM on 11/15/2009
- Artemis34 I'm a Fan of Artemis34 153 fans permalink
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What is wrong with the definitions of gay?

4 a : homosexual b : of, relating to, or used by homosexuals

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gay

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 AM on 11/15/2009
- Artemis34 I'm a Fan of Artemis34 153 fans permalink
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What would be "good enough" would be civil marriage or civil union for ALL. That would be marriage equality.

We could call civil marriage "civil union" for everyone gay and straight.

Then any couple could have a religious wedding and a religious marriage if they choose their their church agrees.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 AM on 11/15/2009
- Artemis34 I'm a Fan of Artemis34 153 fans permalink
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Sorry Tony Perkins, [psycho] president of the conservative Family Research Council, you came away with the wrong message.

Voters in Washington state upheld marriage rights under their domestic partnership law for gay and lesbian couples! And that is just the beginning.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 PM on 11/10/2009
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Obama doesn't support gay marriage! Why would we have expected him to do so in Maine? Sadly (and frighteningly) Dick Cheney has a more supportive gay marriage agenda than Obama. How sad!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 PM on 11/09/2009
- Artemis34 I'm a Fan of Artemis34 153 fans permalink
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He was for it before he was against it.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 PM on 11/10/2009
- ECBA88 I'm a Fan of ECBA88 8 fans permalink
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You're surprised that a President who doesn't support gay marriage didn't help you support gay marriage? I could have called that one for you.

If that was your #1 issue, shoulda voted Nader or Kucinich.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 11/08/2009
- Artemis34 I'm a Fan of Artemis34 153 fans permalink
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People may have voted for Kucinich in the primary, the Obama in the general election.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:15 AM on 11/15/2009
- Artemis34 I'm a Fan of Artemis34 153 fans permalink
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Pres. Obama was for it before he was against it.

http://www.davidmixner.com/2009/05/president-obama-once-strongly-supported-marriage-equality.html

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0109/Obama_backed_samesex_marriage_in_1996.html

""In a 1996 questionnaire filled out for a Chicago gay and lesbian newspaper, then called Outlines, Obama came out clearly in favor of same-sex marriage, which he has opposed on the public record throughout his short career in national politics.

“I favor legalizing same-sex marriages,and would fight efforts to prohibit such marriages,” Obama wrote in the typed, signed, statement.

On another questionnaire the same year, Obama said he would support a resolution in support of same-sex marriage."

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 AM on 11/15/2009
- miriamfl I'm a Fan of miriamfl 15 fans permalink

Let me just remi'nd the CATHOLICS of a little something that they don't discuss, they don't consider anyone in their religion to be married at all unless they are married in a Catholic ceremony which means they don't recognize the government union. Also if you were married in a catholic ceremony and you get divorced you are still concidered married to you spouse unless you annul your marriage. You are not allowed to accept comunion if you are divorced and your marriage has not been annulled.
As much as I think that this is an issue that is not life or death and it can be addressed at a later time I have always felt that the Catholic church should stay out of this and if they don't want they don't have to marry anyone in their church.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 11/06/2009
- Artemis34 I'm a Fan of Artemis34 153 fans permalink
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"can be addressed at a later time"

The President was the one who said he was a great multi-tasker.

Apart from the repeal of DOMA at the federal level, most the work to do is at the state level.

Exactly, no one would be forcing any church to do anything they don't want to do in their churches.

Unless they run a business and are required by law to accomodate the public, the public includes gays and lesbians, then they may not discriminate.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 PM on 11/10/2009
- punkindmb I'm a Fan of punkindmb 11 fans permalink
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Gay people should stop trying their case in public. The public will never give them this right. If we as black people waited on the public to agree that we should be given full citizenship, we would still be waiting. Without Brown v Board of Education, we would still have government mandated segregated schools.

Gay people should go to court and get these arcane laws revoked. And if the public votes to out-law something that the Supreme Court has given to every citizen, it will be thrown out as unconstitutional. Heck, it wouldn’t even make it to the ballot box.

As for President Obama, he never said it was his priority. As a matter of fact, he stated that he didn't think gays should have the right to legally get married. So to expect his support at this point is wishful thinking. Oh, and I'm a President Obama supporter, who thinks he is doing the best job that he can. It may not be as fast as some would hope, but at least he's stillon point.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 AM on 11/06/2009
- xenas mom I'm a Fan of xenas mom 4 fans permalink

Exactly. However, the fact is that the religious zealots who are opposed to any rights for LGBTQ people keep forcing these issues onto the ballots to subject us to popular vote (read: rejection). It should not be on the ballot, but there it is. Fortunately, it is also working its way up toward the US Supreme Court. I don't know that the results would have been different had the president come out in support of same sex marriage, so I do not think he should even be in this equation. The fault clearly lies inside the California PR agency that devised and executed the Prop 8 campaign, then took it on the road (in a scaled down, recycled version for Maine; less $$$, fewer services, etc.). For them it's a great gig: Create a campaign then resell it again and again and again.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:39 PM on 11/06/2009
- Artemis34 I'm a Fan of Artemis34 153 fans permalink
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I think you are right for now, sad to say. Look at Iowa, going the court way seems to be better.

President Obama did make 5 promises to gays & lesbians and no one held a gun to his head.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/subjects/gays-and-lesbians/

BTW he "came out" in writing in favor of gay marriage in an HRC survey while in Illinois.

So, he was for gay marriage before he was against it.

When he came out against it in the presidential campaign, it was a surprise to those familiar with his prior position.

In the case of Prop. 8, he did say he did not think Prop 8 was a good idea.

Some folks would say, "We should not write hate into the constituti­on." The President stopped short of saying that, ever the politician, I'm sure that would have been too harsh. True, but harsh.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 PM on 11/10/2009
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@ sheikwil4, for example:

"In a 1996 questionnaire filled out for a Chicago gay and lesbian newspaper, then called Outlines, Obama came out clearly in favor of same-sex marriage, which he has opposed on the public record throughout his short career in national politics.

“I favor legalizing same-sex marriages,and would fight efforts to prohibit such marriages,” Obama wrote in the typed, signed, statement.­"

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0109/Obama_backed_samesex_marriage_in_1996.html

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 PM on 11/14/2009

I personally don't think that they should be blaming Obama for this. People are so inclined to blame someone else when really it's not their fault. Obama doesn't believe in gay marriage, but he does believe in civil unions. However, Obama never said he would bat for gay marriage so stopo blaming him.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 AM on 11/06/2009

What must Dr. James Dobson and his Focus on the Family cronies be thinking right about now? Remember how they held Carrie Prejean out as the ideal of Christian womanhood? I read an opinion piece http://wp.me/pChUJ-5C by an evangelical preacher (believe it or not) who used to work in Christian Radio. He talks about how Dobson is notorious in broadcasting for his defensiveness, his screwed-up priorities, and his weird obsession with church-ified celebrities. He also gives an insider's look at the sweetheart relationship between Dobson, Focus on the Family, and this pitiful, disgraced beauty queen. Turns out even some Christians have had enough of Dobson and Prejean.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 AM on 11/06/2009
- S E Martin I'm a Fan of S E Martin 76 fans permalink

To Christians who think marriage is a religious institution: it's not. Get over it.

Marriage was practiced long, long before anyone ever even thought about Christianity or your version of "god".

Marriage is actually, therefore, a PAGAN idea. Gasp!! Every Christian should quickly get divorced since marriage is actually not a Christian idea.

Christians do NOT "own" the idea of marriage.

Marriage has been around for as long as we've recorded history, and most likely even longer, because there are many legends passed down through oral history about marriage.

The ancient Greeks, Romans, Celtics, and so on, all practiced marriage. Guess what? Not a single one of those cultures married in front of a Christian version of God because "God" hadn't been concoted/i­­nvented/f­a­bricated quite yet.

It really doesn't take much knowledge to understand this. It's not like it's a hidden fact; it's quite common knowledge actually.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 PM on 11/05/2009
- jcwtts1 I'm a Fan of jcwtts1 149 fans permalink
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Every time you guys engage on the religious issue you lose votes. Instead of trying to be right you should be trying to win.

J

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 AM on 11/06/2009

And don't ask don't tell in the military was promised to be gone by now, Gitmo closed by now, jobs by now, economic turnaround by now, yata yata yata Change we can be fooled by. I was duped by the candidate into believing he was sincere and capable...­.NOT.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 PM on 11/05/2009
- miriamfl I'm a Fan of miriamfl 15 fans permalink

You are not a democrat so go blog on Fox Fake post.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 PM on 11/06/2009

Why are you so upset you live in the best country in the world?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 PM on 11/05/2009
- Artemis34 I'm a Fan of Artemis34 153 fans permalink
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Actually watching all this, voting to take away human rights, the non-stop hate and lie campaigns in the US media, the mean-spirited comdemnations of Americans to death without health care, rabidly misogynist jerks in congress and out...

I'm deeply grateful we made the tough decision to immigrate to Canada. We have health care in Canada, equality as women guarenteed constitutionally, right to marry as lesbians, a right to serve openly in the military, and a very tolerant society in which we live in peace.

I'd like to imagine someday that my homeland will equal Canada in fairness, tolerance and human compassion, but in the meantime I have to put the welfare & safety of my family above my desires for the US.

My poor mother asks me to come back to the American heartland and I say "Well, you'll have to change a lot of things about this country first..." Sad that I don't think she'll live to see me come back.

The US is not the "best country in the world" and it is a shame b/c she certainly could be.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 PM on 11/10/2009

Maybe some of you missed the point that 31 STATES HAVE VOTED AGAINST GAY MARRIAGE. Obama's not just YOUR president, and having a bunch of appeased far-left liberals in his corner is not going to guarantee him re-election. PLUS, HE SAID HE BELIEVES MARRIAGE IS BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN. Why are people confused, hurt, and angry that he didn't go to bat for gay marriage when has never promised that he would?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 PM on 11/05/2009

How many states voted against civil rights for blacks in the 1950s and 60s? How many fcivil rights for American citizens have ever been enacted at the state level? How many times as a majority population protected the rights and status of minority groups through plebiscite?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 11/06/2009
- Al91206 I'm a Fan of Al91206 2 fans permalink
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Gay groups will NEVER learn. We are always defending never on the offense in the proposition wars. Where are OUR propositions. Here's a proposition that would END these types of hate-based props - "Any proposition that is determined to take away rights from any state-protected group requires a 60% majority"

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 PM on 11/05/2009

GREAT idea.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:15 PM on 11/05/2009
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You're right.

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