"This Loan Is An Example Of What Went Wrong In America"

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First Posted: 11- 4-09 01:38 PM   |   Updated: 11- 5-09 10:58 AM

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Last December, Virginia Naill learned that the monthly mortgage payment for her three-bedroom home on Ordinary Road in tiny Mineral, Va., would jump by hundreds of dollars.

"I started crying," she said, "'Oh no, what did I do?'"

In 2006, it turned out, she'd unwittingly gotten herself into an adjustable-rate mortgage with a two-year teaser rate. As a result, in December, the interest rate shot up from 7.5 percent to just over 10.1 percent, and the monthly payment on her $280,000 loan went from $1,800 to more than $2,300. She and her husband didn't know how they were going to pay it.

Naill, 50, thought she'd refinanced into a fixed-rate mortgage. Back in 2006, that's what she'd told the broker she wanted. But she signed the documents that were put in front of her, and what she got was a case study in irresponsible lending -- a debt trap that even the broker has admitted was based on a fraudulent application.

Naill works at a Wal-Mart distribution center. Her husband, Donald Naill, is a roofing contractor. "They knowed me and my husband were illiterate, that we had a hard time reading and understanding what we read," Naill told the Huffington Post. "We told 'em straight up they'd have to read it to us, and they said that they would."

In a September deposition for a lawsuit filed on behalf of Donald Naill, the Naills' broker said she knew the loan application contained bogus information -- an inflated income statement that qualified them for a loan virtually guaranteed to blow up in Virginia Naill's face when the interest rate adjusted.

"This loan is an example of what went wrong in America," said Tom Domonoske, a lawyer on contract for the Virginia Legal Aid Justice Center who is representing Donald Naill in the lawsuit against the broker, Lincoln Mortgage. Through the lawsuit, Domonoske obtained documents showing how the loan was put together.

The Naills first refinanced their mortgage in 2005, when Lincoln Mortgage, which had been recommended by a friend, cobbled together an unusual deal. The Naills owned another house in Mineral (a town of under 500 people about an hour from Richmond) where one of their grown sons lived and paid rent. To inflate the size of their new loan, said Domonoske, the broker had the Naills borrow to pay off the $138,000 mortgage on their son's house and pile the debt onto their own house, on which they owed less than $50,000.

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The Naills wound up with one much larger $250,000 mortgage, the additional debt either covering other liabilities or providing cash. Virginia Naill said she does not remember exactly why she refinanced the way she did or what she got out of it. All she remembers is that it was a snap.

"A friend told me about Lincoln Mortgage and she took me over to meet 'em," said Virginia Naill, "and then one lady called and got some information and said, 'Come in and we're gonna close 'em.'"

Domonoske, the attorney, called the arrangement "bizarre."

"I've just never seen any transaction where they refinanced a loan from another piece of property without also taking a security interest on the other piece of property," he said. But there was nothing bizarre about why the broker wanted to do it that way: "The broker added that other one to inflate the size of the loan so they could get a higher commission."

Lincoln Mortgage did not respond to multiple requests for comment left at its Winchester, Va., office or with its lawyer. Multiple attempts to reach the broker were unsuccessful.

When Virginia Naill reconnected with Lincoln Mortgage in 2006, she wanted a fixed rate. The broker, a woman named Monica Gregory (who has since left the company), started off by making notes on the 2005 loan application based on conversations with the Naills, which the lawyers obtained in the process of the lawsuit. Beneath a field indicating that the existing loan had an adjustable rate, Gregory wrote, "Want a fixed rate this time!!"

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"That's what they wanted at the time that, maybe, we had the conversation," said Gregory in a September deposition with Domonoske, according to a transcript. "But it may not have been exactly what they got in the end. And that would have been disclosed to them."

On their 2005 loan, the Naills' combined monthly income was correctly listed as being just shy of $4,000, most of it earned by Virginia Naill. That number was backed up by a verification form signed by her boss at Wal-Mart.

But in 2006, someone at Lincoln Mortgage put in a new number: $5,459, all of it ostensibly from Virginia.

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Here it is in the final application:

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The number was a complete fabrication. During her deposition, Gregory spoke candidly about how she put together "stated-income" loans (also known as "liars' loans") like this one.

"It was a stated deal on this particular one, so -- and again, the Naills knew that we was doing a stated deal. So, and of course, we always -- I always, anyway, told my client that, 'If you're getting a stated deal, you know we're stating your income. So you all need to make sure that you're going to be able to abide by making your monthly payment.' "

The stated-income scheme, in which the application was sent to the lender without paystubs or tax returns or any proof of the borrower's income, made Gregory uncomfortable. "I did very few of them, because I actually did not like doing them," she said, "because it was stating their income, because it's not actually what they were actually making."

But lenders, who would simply sell the loan to investors, had a huge, indiscriminate appetite for borrowers.

Last December, Virginia Naill learned that the monthly mortgage payment for her three-bedroom home on Ordinary Road in tiny Mineral, Va., would jump by hundreds of dollars. "I started crying," she s...
Last December, Virginia Naill learned that the monthly mortgage payment for her three-bedroom home on Ordinary Road in tiny Mineral, Va., would jump by hundreds of dollars. "I started crying," she s...
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Im reposting my own post:)

Someone asked how we save people from immoral capitalists. Easy. Instead of buyer beware. It should be seller beware. With that simple change and strong criminal punishment for the seller that lies etc then we will see rapid change. As long as we put the burden to not get taken on the buyer this type of fraud and snakeoil salesmanship will continue

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 PM on 11/06/2009
- LCLA I'm a Fan of LCLA 20 fans permalink
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Consumer protection was an almost inviolable mantra in the 1970s. The Consumer Protection Agency was founded, environmental protection laws were passed, and it looked like we were headed for a new era. (Speaking of ERA, that almost got passed, too.)
Unfortunately, we hit a snag beginning with the recession of the 1980s and Reaganism. The tide changed and the Laffer Curve and "trickle down" economics became the new mantra of the day.
Now, as a direct result, we are in this economic ditch.
It's way past time to restore the momentum for consumer protection. Taking care of the people. Even most of the teabaggers should be for most consumer protections as long as they are not deluged with too much on the plate at a time. When things get complex, the paranoia rises. Just keep churning out consumer protections a statute at a time. That's how you gitterdone.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 PM on 11/06/2009
- lincutious I'm a Fan of lincutious 9 fans permalink

I'll tell you why they were buying that house.
In America in the past couple generations, we have grown to trust that banks would not lend money to us if they thought we couldn't afford it.
Trust, yes the general public trusted that clerics, doctors, lawyers and financiers would do their jobs and service us in a way that is honorable. Why would we do that? Because America used to be the land of the free, home of the brave, adopted the pledge of allegiance (indivisible, with liberty and justice for all), George Washington and the cherry tree and all that. America was the shining light in the world, offering Democracy to any who would accept it.
Honor and excellence used to be the dangling carrots, hopefully the President can help guide us back to that standard of achievement.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:38 PM on 11/06/2009
- land2341 I'm a Fan of land2341 12 fans permalink

Finally! Some one who gets the real point! Why exactly are so many people still blaming the victim?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:19 PM on 11/06/2009
- kdp59 I'm a Fan of kdp59 10 fans permalink

they were NOT buying a new house, they re-financed the main home TWICE in 2-3 years.

they also took enough money to pay of a mortage on an investment property they had ($138,000) and payed off the small mortage on the main home($50,000).

they walked away fomr the FIRT re-fi with as much as $60,000 in cash!

they walked away form the second one with as much as $30,000 in cash!

even if they rolled all closing cost into the new mortgages and had high fees (piece says $10,000) they still walked away with something like $60,000- $70,000 in CASH!

she can't remember what the other money was used for...I find that to be strange.

I know of NO ONE who gets $60,000 or more in a couple yeras time and doens't know what they did with it........sorry.

they were doing what many people with investment property's do, they were "tapping" ONE property to pay off mortages on other properties, most likely for tax benefits OR to make another property purchase.......It was going on ALL the time in the past 20 years.


They still got ROOKED by the mortgage broker and the law should come down HARD on them.

But there are many people out there that lost EVRYTHING , due to this kind of stuff and would be better "poster childern" for it than this couple.

I am amazed by how little ,many here seem to understand about mortgages and finacing of property.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 AM on 11/07/2009

OK they got duped yes BUT WTH are illiterates doing buying a $280,000 house?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 PM on 11/06/2009
- LCLA I'm a Fan of LCLA 20 fans permalink
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Consider that the $280,000 house was probably worth less than $100,000 15 years ago.
Look up "tulip mania" for a historical parallel.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 PM on 11/06/2009
- Sam1234567 I'm a Fan of Sam1234567 4 fans permalink

Why would a WalMart warehouse worker, and a roofing contractor think they can afford a almost 300k mortgage loan?

I agree they should have never been financed, but seriously wtf?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 PM on 11/06/2009

Because the bank made it so.........

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 PM on 11/06/2009
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Bush, undoubtedly was the worst president we've seen, but he didn't work alone.

He had comrades in high places that helped him prove his idiocy and theft.

Everyone knew something was wrong when the illegal alien could go get a no doc loan for $500,000 plus.

The sad part is that no one did anything about this to stop it.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 AM on 11/06/2009
- RJPasadena I'm a Fan of RJPasadena 5 fans permalink

You NEVER had to be a citizen of this country to purchase real estate..NEVER. In the past there was REGULATIONS that required anyone purchasing property to be able to afford it.

Bush destroyed ALL Regulation and said that anyone can own more house than they can afford. This was his administrations doing so.....

STOP BLAMING THE VICTIMS and BLAMING BUSH and WALL STREET!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 AM on 11/06/2009
- brt929 I'm a Fan of brt929 50 fans permalink
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I don't think you can say Bush alone destroyed regulation. After all, Phil Gramm helped quite a lot.

Republicans began their war on regulation long before Bush got into office. It started with Ronald Reagan, and the S&L mess.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 11/06/2009
- unionave I'm a Fan of unionave 59 fans permalink
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When GWB stood in front of the White House with microphones and cameras told the world he was ordering Fannie and Freddie to guaranty loans for low income Americans so all Americans could have their dream we should have known something was wrong . Thank you GWB .

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 AM on 11/06/2009
- Philclock I'm a Fan of Philclock 36 fans permalink
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DON'T SIGN NOTHIN' BEFORE GETTING A SECOND, EVEN A THIRD, OPINION FROM A DISINTERESTED PARTY!!!!

Common sense, for goodness sake!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 PM on 11/05/2009
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Ever been to an escrow closing? It isn't like you get copies of the papers before the signing.

If you can't read, imagine what that's like.

I guess people need to bring a lawyer to sign bank documents these days.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 PM on 11/06/2009
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Escrow closings are part of my business, everyone gets copies of signature documents to review ahead of time.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:36 PM on 11/06/2009
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It's both their faults. Lincoln Mortgage did funny stuff with their terms to simply get a sale, took advantage of their ignorance, didn't clarify the terms - inexcusable. Yet it's obvious that the couple had no idea what they were getting into, didn't care or know enough to ask serious questions, and now they are paying the price. They refinanced of their own free will. Their illiteracy shouldn't condemn them like some people seem to be commenting, but it's simple: If you don't know exactly what you're signing, when it involves something as important, binding and expensive as a house mortgage, don't sign it. They had the ability to do their own research, they chose not to. As much as we'd all like to trust everybody to do the right thing, it simply doesn't happen, and that's when it's your responsibility to protect your own self.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 PM on 11/05/2009
- kdp59 I'm a Fan of kdp59 10 fans permalink

what price is the couple paying?

they can let the house go to forclosure and walk away form it now and stil have.....

a paid off home (that ahd a $138,000 mortgage before).

at least $62,000 from the FIRST Re-fi!!

at least $30,000 from the second Re-fi.


so they now have a paid off home (the one they are renting to their son) and over $90,000 in the bank (or whatever the SPENT that $90,000 on).

at WORST they'll lose some equity they had in BOTH properties back in 2005-2006, IF they walk away form the house.


since most people who bought homes beofre 2005 and still ahve them have seen somewhere around 20% or MORE in equity drop also....theya re in the same boat as everyone else.

What the lenders did is not wrong, butillegal and they should be locked up for a long time....but this couple isn't exactly living in a tent because of it.

It looks to me like they were actually "gaming" the system themselves a bit and got caught!

not bad for some people whi admit they can;t read too well , I'd say!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 PM on 11/06/2009
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Well, if that's true (I'm not in-the-know with the technical stuff), then good for them. Scam the scammers.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 11/06/2009
- brt929 I'm a Fan of brt929 50 fans permalink
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Did you ever hear the term "Fiduciary Duty?"

The Mortgage Broker LIED to the couple. He/she failed in that duty.

The couple took the word of the person that owed them that fiduciary duty. You cannot possibly blame these people. They are true victims.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 PM on 11/06/2009
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You will notice I mentioned that Lincoln Mortgage did not conduct business properly, and that it's not excusable. But it is still a shared blame. They are not complete and total victims, you are completely absolving one party of responsibility when it takes two to tango. Everyone has the responsibility to make sure that they are aware of what they are doing. If somebody does not take this responsibility, you may get taken advantage of. Wrong, but there is absolutely no law in life that says you will be told the truth under all circumstances, believe it or not.
Years ago, I once had a guy give me an elaborate sob story to try to get $20 from me for a gas can or something, saying he'd pay me back, this and that, and I naively believed him for a variety of reasons. I never got my $20 back. Who's fault is that? It's mine.

They signed a complex mortgage agreement in which they obviously knew nothing about. They didn't have to. They did.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:44 PM on 11/06/2009
- kdp59 I'm a Fan of kdp59 10 fans permalink

you are 100% correct about the loan officers.

I'm not so sure about turning these people into the poster children for what went wrong in the mortgage industry in the last 5-10 years.

again..where did the money go, that they got to after they re-fi''d the home?

$62,000 (minus closing costs) after the first one.

another $30,000 (minus closing costs) after the second one.

thats a LOT of money in a two year time frame for anyone.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 PM on 11/06/2009
- indy100 I'm a Fan of indy100 23 fans permalink
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Good grief, no wonder our economy and the country as a whole are going to hell. What the "lending institution" did sounds like it was illegal from start to finish, (somebody better be going to jail); but the fact that these people didn't read or didn't understand what they were signing doesn't absolve them of responsibility. Unfortunately but they played a part in their undoing and have to face the consequences. What happened to providing 3 years worth of income statments, tax records, debt listing and detailed credit histories??

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 PM on 11/05/2009
- kdp59 I'm a Fan of kdp59 10 fans permalink

am I the only one that reads this article and sees that the couple walked away with over $90,000 from the two re-fi's?


what happened to that money?

they also paid off another house, which now IF they walk away form this loan, they will have paid off free and clear.

pretty savy for people who can't read and imply they were "taken" by the system.

I am NOT exusing the FRAUD that happened to them at all...but I seem to be reading (and working the numbers) and find a little different take here than alomst everyone else.

maybe I'M the one who can't read?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 PM on 11/06/2009

Walmart employee and a roofing contractor? That's nothing compared to my brother's neighbor who got a mortgage on a $450,000 home and drove a popsicle truck.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:21 PM on 11/05/2009

A decent society would have provided protections for its people. Capitalism without regulations and enforcement means profits over people every time.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:43 PM on 11/05/2009

Only in America could 2 illiterates, one working construction and the other at Wal-Mart, afford a $280,000 home. That's the story here. How could they afford it in the first place?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:35 PM on 11/05/2009
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working.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:35 PM on 11/05/2009
- RJPasadena I'm a Fan of RJPasadena 5 fans permalink

Bernie Madaff duped many very smart people! That does not make it right to blame victims. What is wrong with people in this country.

We are a nation with a lot of rotten eggs. Fortunately there are more GOOD people in this country then the morons that think like you.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 AM on 11/06/2009
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beneficial finance was great at these loans...

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:03 PM on 11/05/2009

I'm sorry, but claiming to be illiterate does not give you a free pass.
If you are too stupid to understand the terms of a mortgage, then you are too stupid to own a house.
Home ownership is NOT a right, it is a huge responsiblity.
And this couple is NOT an example what went wrong in America. If America was filled with stupid people like these 2, we would still be living in sod houses on the prairies. Granted, these people were duped into a mortgage they should not have gotten. But, like the old saying, if it's too good to be true, it probably is.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 PM on 11/05/2009
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It sounds like you're excusing fraud.
And literacy, last time I checked, is not a prerequisite for purchasing and owning a home. Why not extend this logic further. "If they're not smart enough, they shouldn't rent an apartment."
Businesses run on trust and (generally) full disclosure of its practices. This kind of dishonest dealing is precisely why there are millions of lawyers out there (I'm going to assume you're not a huge fan of lawyers).
They also believed that the lender was working WITH them and not against them. A lower IQ does not give anyone the right to lie, cheat, style and bully the person.
Tens of millions of Americans in the past own houses who were illiterate. Including all my ancestors who came to America in the 20s. Should they not have been allowed to own homes?
The lenders were the only villains in this story. To say otherwise is plain wrong.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:51 PM on 11/05/2009
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Exactly. I love the logic, stupid people deserve to be tricked and have their livelihoods stripped away. How about commending these people for working and supporting a family and making so far all while being illiterate?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:37 PM on 11/05/2009
- Chip W I'm a Fan of Chip W 18 fans permalink

People are responsible for what they get into, but there's a difference between absolute and reasonable.
In absolute terms, everyone's responsible for everything in a document above where they sign. If they don't understand, they should find someone who does - other than the person sitting across the table. Don't trust nobody.
In reasonable terms, can you expect someone to deal honestly with you? If you're told you're getting a fixed rate mortgage, should it be necessary to hire a third party to verify?
If you're dealt with dishonestly, you should have recourse, even if you're stupid.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 AM on 11/06/2009

Due to Obama's inability to create an effective jobs program the only beneficiaries of this recovery is Wall Street- the same it's been since the 80's. FDP knew how to make work, but Obama doesn;t or chooses not to.

good articles; http://financeopinionss.blogspot.com
because of this he may lose in 2012.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 11/05/2009
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