Reid Picks Pelosi's Pocket To Pay For Business Tax Break

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First Posted: 11- 5-09 12:25 PM   |   Updated: 11- 5-09 01:22 PM

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In order to fund business tax breaks and an extension of a first-time homebuyers tax credit this week, Harry Reid swiped one of Nancy Pelosi's revenue generators, leaving the House Speaker scrambling at the last minute to find billions to cover a funding gap in her health care reform bill.

As the Senate Majority Leader attempted to move an unemployment-benefits extension through his chamber, he sugared the brew to make it more palatable to the GOP, adding the tax breaks and credit. But he needed money to pay for the billions being spent. In legislative lingo, he needed a "pay-for."

He found it across the Capitol in the House health care bill. To help pay for her bill, Pelosi was proposing a complicated change to the tax code that involves interest expenses and foreign tax-credit limits. A summary of it follows this story for the curious, but the short of it is that the House had found a way to raise $20 billion over ten years. That was just about what Reid (D-Nev.) needed.

The unemployment extension, along with the billions for business, passed the Senate Wednesday night and, Pelosi said, will pass the House on Thursday.

Pelosi laughed when asked by HuffPost about the pocket-picking. "It just goes to show you've got to get down to that floor right away," she said.

Pelosi, however, had another pay-for ready. Due to some legislative bungling in the past, the paper industry is paid about $8 billion a year by the federal government to add diesel fuel to a paper-making process that does not, in fact, require diesel fuel.

The loophole was exposed by Nation reporter Chris Hayes and has been targeted by House lawmakers, but the paper industry, along with unions representing industry workers, fought back, arguing that rescinding the giveaway would cost jobs. That argument had carried well enough to prevent the closing of the loophole -- that is, until Pelosi found herself in need of the cash.

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Here's the legislative summary of the provision that the Senate housed from the House:

Delay implementation of worldwide allocation of interest - In 2004, Congress provided taxpayers with an election to take advantage of a rule for allocating interest expense between United States sources and foreign sources for purposes of determining a taxpayer's foreign tax credit limitation. Although enacted in 2004, this election was not available to taxpayers until taxable years beginning after 2008. Last year, the phase-in of this rule was delayed for two years (for taxable years beginning after 2010). This proposal would delay the phase-in of this rule for an additional seven years (for taxable years beginning after 2017). This proposal is estimated to raise $20 billion over 10 years.


In order to fund business tax breaks and an extension of a first-time homebuyers tax credit this week, Harry Reid swiped one of Nancy Pelosi's revenue generators, leaving the House Speaker scrambling ...
In order to fund business tax breaks and an extension of a first-time homebuyers tax credit this week, Harry Reid swiped one of Nancy Pelosi's revenue generators, leaving the House Speaker scrambling ...
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No more loopholes, shelters or shell games.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:59 PM on 11/06/2009

Obama middle class tax increase here;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8LPNRI_6T8

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 11/06/2009

This is why we need bigger government!!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 PM on 11/06/2009
- BocaMom I'm a Fan of BocaMom 16 fans permalink

What a bunch of sleazebags. We should dump both of them!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 PM on 11/05/2009
- Pem3 I'm a Fan of Pem3 24 fans permalink
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Wow the games they play if these meetings and plannig sessions were put out into the open I wonder how much of this funny bill making.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:10 PM on 11/05/2009
- jmpurser I'm a Fan of jmpurser 150 fans permalink

I'd like to declare a moratorium on tax code changes to pay for the whims of the day. If you can't pass a tax increase to pay for the bill then kill the bill.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:55 PM on 11/05/2009
- dnegri I'm a Fan of dnegri 126 fans permalink

OK, so it was the paper industry taking this hit. I'll applaud when they really take a close look at that FY2010 $629 Billion Defense Appropriations.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 PM on 11/05/2009
- Chili4me I'm a Fan of Chili4me 32 fans permalink
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"Due to some legislative bungling in the past, the paper industry is paid about $8 billion a year by the federal government to add diesel fuel to a paper-making process that does not, in fact, require diesel fuel. "

It is competence like this that will make government healthcare so affordable!!

Liberals want to put Pelosi and Reid in charge of our healthcare and have no idea why others don't agree.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:47 PM on 11/05/2009
- dnegri I'm a Fan of dnegri 126 fans permalink

Uhh.....so what exactly are you saying, given the quotation you provide? A reminder that this
"legislative bungling" occurred in 2004, when Reid and Pelosi had no power.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:59 PM on 11/05/2009
- Chili4me I'm a Fan of Chili4me 32 fans permalink
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1 They were both in Congress in 2004.

2 Read the quote again. "Due to some legislative bungling in the past, the paper industry IS paid about $8 billion a year"

Now read it again

These @ssclowns are not capable of even projecting the cost, much less saving Americans money.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 PM on 11/05/2009
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Republicans f**k up in 04'

REID AND PELOSI ARE RESPONSIBLE

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 PM on 11/05/2009

Republicans always scream about how the government can't do anything, then get elected and prove it!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 PM on 11/05/2009
- Chili4me I'm a Fan of Chili4me 32 fans permalink
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That's because they get elected and start spending like Democrats.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 AM on 11/06/2009
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what a nice cooperative bunch we the people have elected.....

play nice kids, oh never mind, you don't like to play nice at all

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 PM on 11/05/2009
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"he sugared the brew to make it more palatable to the GOP"

oh good, please don't upset the minority, harry bear.

that's what the republicans did... no, wait a tick, they used you as door mats.

progressives are ill served by all that's D.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 PM on 11/05/2009
- Guitar63 I'm a Fan of Guitar63 11 fans permalink
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It goes to show the willingness to cooperate by more liberal-minded people. Doesn't happen very much on the "right" side.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 PM on 11/05/2009
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you are right, it doesn't happen on the "right" side.

when the neocons pushed us into war Ds were too scared to scared to fight back. door mats.

2008 the people put these idiots in office for 'CHANGE', i remember it like it was just last year.

now, Ds have power but still ask for their neocon daddies' permission to do what we elected them to do.

there is a difference between "liberal" and "weak" and Ds are weak.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 PM on 11/05/2009
- dnegri I'm a Fan of dnegri 126 fans permalink

That's the price to pay, I guess, to buy off the GOP obstructionists over something like unemployment insurance extension.

Says a lot more, once again, about the morality of the GOP than anything relative to the Dems.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:00 PM on 11/05/2009
- NICELYDONE I'm a Fan of NICELYDONE 12 fans permalink

EWWWW !!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!­! WHICH WOULD BE MORE DISGUSTING.. Sticking your hand in Cruellas pocket , or having Harry stick his hand in yours

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 PM on 11/05/2009
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TAX THE RICH!!!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 PM on 11/05/2009
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we can't tax the rich, that would upset the minority.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:31 PM on 11/05/2009
- mcantwell I'm a Fan of mcantwell 360 fans permalink
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I'm bet there are plenty of other loop holes just waiting to be exposed. Well done Chris Hayes.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 PM on 11/05/2009
- mcantwell I'm a Fan of mcantwell 360 fans permalink
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Oopsy..."I'm willing to bet"

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 PM on 11/05/2009
- TeeLolly I'm a Fan of TeeLolly 46 fans permalink

Why is it that whenever Congress gives anything to the people, such as extended unemployment compensation, there has to be something in it (tax cuts! tax cuts! tax cuts!) for the wealthy or for business, but when we give massive bailouts to Wall Street or huge corporate entities, the recipients may give billions away to their own top executives but are never required to pass anything along to the people?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 PM on 11/05/2009
- codycap I'm a Fan of codycap 51 fans permalink

Oh its passed along alright.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 PM on 11/05/2009

I've been asking that question since the stimulus. They put the payroll tax cuts which actually positively affected me and my co-workers, but the rest of the tax cuts are stupid and the dems need to stop doing it for this whole bipartisan bull sh@t. The 1st time buyer credit? Yes, it's helping young families, but it's doing more for the flippers who can find a way around the rules.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 PM on 11/05/2009
- Chili4me I'm a Fan of Chili4me 32 fans permalink
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Keep this in mind if you support government healthcare, and when it sucks remember who wrote the legislation.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:31 PM on 11/05/2009
- bzb I'm a Fan of bzb 227 fans permalink
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If the paper industry does not use $8 billion worth of desiel fuel then the loophole ought to be closed.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 PM on 11/05/2009
- bzb I'm a Fan of bzb 227 fans permalink
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Oops that s/b "diesel fuel"

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 PM on 11/05/2009
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