Unemployment Rate Hits 10 Percent For The First Time Since 1983

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WASHINGTON — Just when it was beginning to look a little better, the economy relapsed Friday with a return to double-digit unemployment for only the second time since World War II and warnings that next year will be even worse than previously thought.

The jobless rate rocketed to 10.2 percent in October, the highest since early 1983, dealing a psychological blow to Americans as they prepare holiday shopping lists. It was another worse-than-expected report casting a shadow over the struggling recovery.

President Barack Obama called it "a sobering number that underscores the economic challenges that lie ahead." He signed a measure to extend unemployment benefits and to expand a tax credit for homebuyers.

Economists had not expected the 10 percent mark to come so quickly and immediately darkened their forecasts. Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Economy.com, and Joshua Shapiro, chief U.S. economist at MFR Inc., predicted the rate will peak at 11 percent by mid-2010. They earlier had projected 10.5 percent.

Unemployment at 11 percent would be a post-World War II record. Only once since then has joblessness hit double digits in the United States – from September 1982 to July 1983, topping out at 10.8 percent.

"It's not a good report," said Dan Greenhaus, chief economic strategist for New York-based investment firm Miller Tabak & Co. "What we're seeing is a validation of the idea that a jobless recovery is perfectly on track."

The Labor Department, using a survey of company payrolls, said the economy shed 190,000 jobs in October. A separate survey of households found 558,000 more people were unemployed last month than in September. Some 15.7 million Americans are out of work.

The survey of companies doesn't count the self-employed and undercounts employees of small businesses. So the economic picture could be even more dire.

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One struggling small business, homebuilder Miller and Smith Inc. of McLean, Va., has trimmed its work force to about 100 from 350 at the height of the housing market in 2005. The company has been hurt by a slowdown in building and surging health care costs.

Troubles for small businesses could have a disproportionate effect on the economy, because they account for about 60 percent of the nation's jobs. They tend to rely on credit cards and home equity lines – both of which banks have tightened – for cash flow.

And the unemployment rate doesn't include people without jobs who have stopped looking, or those who have settled for part-time jobs. Counting those people, the unemployment rate would be 17.5 percent, the highest since at least 1994.

Economists had expected unemployment to rise to no more than 9.9 percent, up just a tick from September's 9.8 percent, and the surprising jump added to fears that the recovery could fizzle if Americans don't spend.

Already, consumer confidence for October came in well below what analysts were expecting. Shoppers' sentiments about the state of the economy are the gloomiest in nearly three decades.

Stores, always with an eye on holiday sales, are especially worried this year.

"This is a situation where the recovery balloon is getting off the ground but might not have enough power to keep rising," said Brian Bethune, economist at IHS Global Insight.

Sitting at a St. Louis unemployment center, Paul Branyon, who was laid off in July from a Williams-Sonoma factory in Tennessee and now lives with relatives, shook his head and laughed at the notion that the recession is over.

"It's getting actually harder right now," the 26-year-old said. "It seems like everywhere you go, people are losing jobs. People are cutting back. So it's going to get harder before it gets easier."

The economy actually grew from July to September for the first time in a year, but that's no consolation for people like Jose Betancourt, 57, who goes to a Miami-area career center twice a week to take computer education classes.

Betancourt has been out of work since July, when he was laid off from his supermarket maintenance job. He lives on about $600 a month in unemployment benefits, barely enough for the rent for his efficiency apartment, food and utilities.

He has trouble believing the recession is over. In his neighborhood, he sees other jobless people and empty stores.

"It's as if they just gave the economy a nice coat of varnish to make everyone feel better," he said. "I'm in a state of anxiety, and I see it all around Miami."

The worst recession since the 1930s may be over, but the recovery isn't expected to be strong enough to stem job losses and get businesses hiring again. And the unemployed are staying out of work longer. The count of people jobless for six months or longer stands at a record 5.6 million.

As for employers, few are confident enough in the recovery to hire. Art McKeen, plant manager of the Baldor Electric Co. factory in suburban St. Louis, says the plant has no plans add workers any time soon.

Baldor cut back production last year and put workers on part-time hours rather than lay them off. Orders have picked up again, but not enough to justify hiring. "We don't have the need for them right now," McKeen said.

Prospects that the government might pass a second stimulus bill appear dim. Congress is already grappling with sweeping health care legislation, raising concerns about further swelling the federal deficit.

"More debt, more spending ... clearly has not worked – particularly in a time of double-digit unemployment," said Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky. Democrats said the economy would have been in worse shape without the first stimulus.

October was the 22nd straight month the U.S. economy has lost jobs, the longest on record dating back 70 years. Losses at factories, construction companies, retailers and financial services companies far outweighed gains in education and health care, professional and business services and elsewhere. Government payrolls were flat.

One faint sign of hope: Temporary employment grew by 33,700 jobs, its third straight month of gains after steep losses earlier this year. Employers are likely to add temporary workers before hiring permanent ones.

Chris Rupkey, an economist at the Bank of Tokyo-Mitsubishi, called the big jump in the jobless rate "a kick in the stomach" and predicted a slog ahead. It could take at least four years for the jobless rate to drop to more normal levels of 5 or 6 percent.

"The last two recoveries from recession in the '90s and 2001 were jobless, and this one is clearly headed down the same road," he said.

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Associated Press Writers Jim Kuhnhenn and Anne Flaherty in Washington, Emily Fredrix in Milwaukee, Christopher Leonard in St. Louis, Adrian Sainz in Miami, Andrew Vanacore in New York and Tom Murphy in Indianapolis contributed to this report.

WASHINGTON — Just when it was beginning to look a little better, the economy relapsed Friday with a return to double-digit unemployment for only the second time since World War II and warnings t...
WASHINGTON — Just when it was beginning to look a little better, the economy relapsed Friday with a return to double-digit unemployment for only the second time since World War II and warnings t...
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No more bailouts. No more too big to fail. more effort needs to be done to make work. Instead, unemployment keeps climbing as well as the deficit. Tax cuts and toehr stupid gimmicks aren't the answer.

hat tip to http://financeopinionss.blogspot.com

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 PM on 11/09/2009
- mogens I'm a Fan of mogens 18 fans permalink

The debate on this site is very one-sided. It is as if the people in question are not real people, but only appendixes to machines. It is about human beings, and the idea that everyone are expendable and can be paid peanuts or nothing at all is distastefull.
You have to stop to think like the rich. In Denmark some years ago after some demonstrations (against US war in Vietnam) the demonstrators joked "Help the police, beat up yourselves."
That is the way you react when you talk about unemployment and the race to the bottom.
Where are the unions, and where are those people, that should be members of the unions?
If you don't fight for your own rights, who should?
You have to unify, because alone you will be taken out one by one, and if you think that the rich don't cooperate, you are more than naive.
The wealthy has only respect for one thing! The united strengh of the non-wealthy majority.
United we stand, divided we fall. It is as true today as it was 100 years ago.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:44 PM on 11/08/2009

I agree, but many posters here will not get it. They hang on to their dream instead of taking action. Dishing out the blame to Obama or Bush as if this would matter. Germany got wealthy again because of strong unions. If there is no huge middle class to buy the stuff they produce nobody wins.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 AM on 11/09/2009
- pmag88 I'm a Fan of pmag88 12 fans permalink

The fact that the stock market climbs at the same time unemployment climbs is proof positive that transfering wealth upwards doesn't create jobs. Also, all during the Bush years the department of labor (along with a complicit media) skewed the numbers to make employment appear better than it was. Thats how they conned us into investing in wars we couldn't afford, trade agreements that were destroying jobs at an unprecedented rate, and financial garbage they knew full well would crash the economy. And all this happened while we were making fun of Bush and wailing about various rights and getting mired down in wedge issues. Perhaps now that we have at least some modicum of advocacy we should avoid letting the media and Republicans tell us how weak we are because we can't seem to win a few battles. Perhaps we should focus on priorities and fundamentals for a change. Diversity is great but it's no substitute for success.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 PM on 11/07/2009
- voxpop4 I'm a Fan of voxpop4 3 fans permalink

WE USA had better straighten out this job loss crap...with this sick, grossed out mentality that prevades our society..do you really think people will stand in bread lines? I was in a clothing store to buy my grandson a present. I checked all the labels on the shirts and pants just curiously...I saw "made in ...China, Vietnam, India, Indonesisa, Thailand, I could go on an on. Made in the USA? No more can the kid in Hastings Nebraska, or Puducah, Ky, or Toledo, Ohio work where his grandpa and his father worked for years. when we USA lost "lunch tinpail" America, we gave away the store!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 PM on 11/07/2009
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I was in Toronto a month ago. I asked every single person I could up there is they like their healthcare. EVERY single one said they did. The couple I stayed with also like it. The lady of the house is from New York. She has had three surgeries in five years. I drove past hospitals in Tornoto. Guess what? They look just like hospitals in Ameirca. I saw no one standing in lines. Almost everything we hear about the system in Canada from right wingers is a lie.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 AM on 11/07/2009
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This mess all started with Ronald Reagan and his idol Milton Friedman. They devalued the worker in this country. When Reagan fired all of the Air Traffic Controllers it was a message to corporate America that it was okay to hose your workers.

We are still paying for the abuses of Ronald Reagan, and the trickle down nonsense that he idolized. Wealth does not rickle down. Wealth is sucked up.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 AM on 11/07/2009
- 02bmw76 I'm a Fan of 02bmw76 10 fans permalink
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Double that number and you'll have a more accurate call on unemployment. See Bob Chapman at The International Forecaster for the real numbers.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 AM on 11/07/2009
- pons1595 I'm a Fan of pons1595 7 fans permalink
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"Our estimate of real unemployment, U6 minus the Birth/Death ratio, is 21% or 30 million people unemployed or employed part-time. If you include dependents that affects some 100 of 300 million Americans. In part as a result, yoy there has been 126,000 bankruptcies up 34%."

http://theinternationalforecaster.com/International_Forecaster_Weekly/The_Flight_To_Quality_Lands_On_Gold

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:28 AM on 11/08/2009
- batmancw I'm a Fan of batmancw 19 fans permalink

While this isn't really a healthcare thread, I have to tell y'all that Viper is correct. My wife and I are both mental health care providers, and while dealing with the insurance cos. IS a nightmare at times, I have NO confidence that the government will do any better. And, as Viper points out, if payments to providers go down under this plan, you WILL see rationing because some providers will retire or go elsewhere. We don't find ourselves treating patients for free as Viper references MD's doing, BUT you can only see so many clients per week, and any reduction in reimbursement will have a negative impact.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 AM on 11/07/2009
- Badfickle I'm a Fan of Badfickle 114 fans permalink

It's amazing how the tro[[ies are out once again rooting against America. You can just see their glee that unemployment (which they and the pall Bush caused) is up over 10%. Well I have bad news for them and good news for America. Check out this graph from the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

http://images2.dailykos.com/images/user/6/job_oct09_revised.jpg

Look at the trend line from when Obama took office in January, when Bush left him a month of 730,000 job loss until today. If that trend line continues the economy will start to add jobs in the next 3-6 months. Oh nooooo. That will be bad news for the Republicans. How will the tro]]s root for America to fail then?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 AM on 11/07/2009
- floridafun I'm a Fan of floridafun 31 fans permalink
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darn those pesky facts that get in the way of reasons to hate obama ;-)

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 AM on 11/07/2009
- melpol I'm a Fan of melpol 7 fans permalink
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There is a lot of work available for those with menial skills. A clean up program must be put into place. Trillions of cigarette butts are littering the streets and parks of the nation. They must be harvested. 3 million of the unemployed can immediately be hired. Another 3 million can start trimming trees.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 AM on 11/07/2009
- mike63 I'm a Fan of mike63 13 fans permalink

How is that change working out for ya? Obama and his crew are the best! More crushing taxes for you, higher insurance premiums for you, wait till cap-trade is passed, and inflation come along. Funny!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 AM on 11/07/2009
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How are all of these Bush created problems working for you?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 AM on 11/07/2009
- billw8017 I'm a Fan of billw8017 34 fans permalink

First time claims to unemployment have been declining since March. A hollow success, it means the total of unemployed, and under employed is at about 17%.

I was surprised to read (mike63) that taxes have been raised, that higher insurance premiums are not the mark of the crisis that the Democrats are trying to reform but somehow their fault, and that prospective inflation depends on cap-trade. I do wait sort of grimly for inflation to kick in as things improve but the Bush deficits alone are sufficient to fuel that little fire once banking returns to normal.

If you oppose taxes, there really is no alternative to paying through inflation. Nixon tried wage and price controls and that worked out badly. It was worse under Communism where administered prices meant shortages and rationing. People quit going into work because they already had money more than they could spend. Wouldn't that be funny if Bush Sr saw this bring down Communism, and Bush Jr brought down capitalism with something so much the same.

No. Not while we have to live through it.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:29 AM on 11/07/2009
- mauibob I'm a Fan of mauibob 20 fans permalink

And soon, the democrats will demand you buy insurance, at the same time they are attacking insurance companies, or face a fine, jail time or both. Unless of course you are an illegal alien, then everything is still free.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 AM on 11/07/2009
- floridafun I'm a Fan of floridafun 31 fans permalink
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oh but you neglected to mention for the low income what they pay will be according to their incomes..they will be subsidized. silly facts will trip you teabaggers up every time!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 AM on 11/07/2009
- Badfickle I'm a Fan of Badfickle 114 fans permalink

More crushing taxes? funny I got a tax cut and I'll bet a dollar you did too.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 AM on 11/07/2009
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Crushing taxes and increases? I've been away for a couple of weeks to the West Coast so maybe I missed it. You Rethugs really need to get your you-know-what together. Ya know?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 AM on 11/07/2009
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Did Obama promise anyone that this would all be fixed in his first year?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 AM on 11/07/2009
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 243 fans permalink

No, he said it took a long time to create this disaster and it will take a long time to get us out of it.

And he has said .. the problems did not occurr overnight andthey will not be fixed overnight.

Regards

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:06 AM on 11/07/2009
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Yep, this foreign worker problem started all the way back and was made much worse by Bill Clinton.

http://www.zazona.com/ShameH1B/H1BHistory.htm

1998 -

"A last-minute tactical move was used to incorporate the H-1B bill into the omnibus spending bill so that it would escape attention by the public. As signed by President Clinton on October 21, 1998, the H-1B legislation increased the number of H-1B visas from 65,000 to 115,000 in 1999 and 2000, then reduced them to 107,500 in 2001 and 65,000 in 2002 and beyond"

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:31 AM on 11/07/2009

billobasher: You're correct in your statement about not promising to fix things in the first year. I guess no one expected it to get worse, which it has. However, he did promise that unemployment would not exceed 8 % if the stimulus bill was passed. It was passed and things have gotten worse. It's fairly apparent that unemployment will reach 11% sometime early next year, perhaps even earlier. If Pres. Obama wishes to regain the confidence of the American people, he needs to stop the ever increasing unemployment and bring it back to ~ 5 % before the end of next summer. If he doesn't, the 2010 elections will changes the makeup of congress to the degree that he'll be a lame duck for the next 2 years. That is just the way it is. People expect performance for the president.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 AM on 11/09/2009
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If it were not for the government saftey nets that right wingers hate so much, we would be in a full blown depression. Extending unemployment benefits are playng a major role in keeping our economy afloat. If you want to see a real depression, cut all of these people off. In the dying rust belt towns in places like Michigan you would see tent cities like in the depression.

The best economic stimulus is unemployment compensation. It keeps stores and businesses open in these areas. Cut it off and you will see more and more layoffs, evictions and forclosures.

Unemployment exrensions DO NOT add to the deficit. They have been paid for since early 2008 by a 1.5% surtax on employers. If they don't like it, they need to start hiring people instead of piling the job of three people onto their employees. Many companies are making big profits right now. THey would rather pay this slightly extra tax, and overtime, than to hire new employees.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 AM on 11/07/2009
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According to the CBO, and the righties have been quoting them a lot of recently, the House health plan will SAVE 60 BILLION over a ten year period.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 PM on 11/06/2009

Bill, you are embarrassing yourself. If you buy that I've got some oceanfront property in Arizona to sell you. Why won't you at least be honest in your arguments? Why don't you talk about how we'll pay for 4 years before the vast majority of the changes take effect or that a huge chunk of the "savings" will come from medicare cuts that for some reason will be voted on separately? Do you honestly thing we can insure 30 million+ more people, decrease competition, and decrease doctor pay and save money on health care? That defies all logic and reason. This bill will wreck our country and this is why:

1) When you decrease the price of something, demand for that item goes up. In this case, the item is health care. People will think that since they aren't paying for it that it's "free". When they think its free, they have no reason not to go to the doctor for every little thing that may bother them. This will increase demand for medical care in and of itself, never mind adding an additional 30 million to the group of people that think health care will be free.

2) If you try to forcefully keep provider compensation down, providers will leave the industry. They will choose other lines of work.

This is a lethal combination bill. Quality of care will fall substantially, prices will skyrocket, and it will bring about the complete destruction of the U.S. dollar.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 PM on 11/06/2009
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You know Bill,

I think we should go to single payer. I was up in Tornto a month or so ago. I asked every person I met about Canadian health care. I did not meet one person who didn't like it. I stayed with friends. The lady is married to a Canadian, she is from New York. She loves the heatlhcare up there. She has had three surgeries in four years. Her kids get seen by a doctor inside of twenty four hours.

Our system is falling apart. If we do nothing it will only get worse. Why are yu so willing to bend over and grab your ankes for big insurance companies?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 AM on 11/07/2009
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Oh and Tex,

If you want to know what really burdens our employers it is health insurance costs. Why should this be an employer responsibility? Do you have any idea how many more people companies could hire if they were not burdened with this? At the Big 3 automakers 1,800 dollars of every care goes to paying for employee healthcare. Foriegn car makers are not burdened with this cost. The Big 3 have plants in Canada to get away from this cost.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 AM on 11/07/2009
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Tex,

No one says this health care will be "free." Where do you get this nonsense? It sounds to me like you really only care that YOu have healthcare.

You are already paying for other people's healthcare. When someone who has no insurance ends up in an emergency room the bill most often goes unpaid. That cost is passed down to everyone who can pay. In addition, when you buy a product from a company that offers insurance to employees, that cost is placed into the product.

Tell me Tex, are you going to give up your Medicare? You know, your ilk made these same dire predictions when we were debating Medicare? Ronald Reagan made a speech on a 33 record album denouncing it as "Socialized medicine."

The truth is, you have your healh care, you do not care about everyone else.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 AM on 11/07/2009
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 243 fans permalink

1) The idea that people take off work to go to a doctors office and sit around for no reason is nonsense. When you compare the consumming of healthcare to buying IPODs you lose all crediability!

Because the fire department does not cost you money.. do you set fires?

Do you get cancer more often when its treatment cost less... are you saying diseases are caused by not having to pay to treat them?

2) In countries with free/lower healthcare costs... the increased use of unecessary healthcare does not occur .. in fact their cost for healthcare are half of ous; with better outcomes.

3) Adding a public option increases competition. Citing huge number of insurance companies when 95% are insured by just 5 companies is a red herring.

4) The AMA/70% of physcians are not supporting healthcare reform because they will be paid less... Of course in our practice being paid less would be fine if we did not now treat more than 25% of the patients for free who get cancer. Or that Private medicare Advantage HMOs did not pay 20-30% less than medicare does while charging the government 15% more; 40% overhead to our office dealing with them while they deny 20% of the treatments that Medicare pays for.

5) How does paying 35% to an insurance company that treats no one improve healthcare ( insurance companies now dictate your treatment) or paying 3-5 times more for the same drug as elsewhere.


Regards

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 AM on 11/07/2009
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 243 fans permalink

Half the Medicare cuts will come from stopping the government subsidizing of the Private Advatage HMO medicare set up by BUSH... that were suppose top be cheaper becuase trhey were privatye but cost the government 15% more person and yet deny 20% of treatments unlike medicare that has no pre approvals.

They pay the providers 20-30% less than medicare, which then must be made up by increased local taxes to support the 80% of hospitals which are government owned in the U.S.

If more are insured doctors offices 25% write offs will go away and we can get rid of the growing plight of Medicare Advantage .. doctors will do better as will patients.

By allowing medicare to negtotiate prices as in all other countries for drugs... Medicare cost can be cut by more than 20% w/o efecting any ones treatments.

Regards

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 AM on 11/07/2009
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One of the problems that we have is that the lost jobs are NOT coming back. In the old days when peopel were laid off they were called back. That can not happen since Reagan, Bush, Clinton, and Bush, shipped all of the good paying manufacturing jobs overseas.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 PM on 11/06/2009
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