Creationism And Intelligent Design Gain Foothold In Turkey

Washington Post:

With direct and indirect help from American foes of evolution, similarly-minded Turks have aggressively made the case that Charles Darwin's theory is scientifically wrong and is the underlying source of most of the world's conflicts because it excludes God from human affairs.

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Comments

[elpaulo]

06:38 PM on 03/04/2010

I am so glad america could speahead this effort to make people even less able to handle reality.

Only a matter of time before the earth is flat again.

[cardtosser]

06:35 PM on 11/25/2009

One of the arguments for teaching creationis­m or intelligen­t design in schools is that it is only fair to present 'both' theories in science classes. This implies that there is a theory of evolution and a theory of creation by some intelligen­t force with some symmetry of credibilit­y . Certainly there is a theory of evolution which is widely understood to explain and describe the changes in species over time in response to their environmen­t, but there isn't a single unifying principal in hundreds of creation explanatio­ns (generally called myths). The two simply aren't equal or in complete opposition to each other.

If you mean to use the Bible as a scientific text, you simply do not understand science. That would make as much sense as using Origin of Species as a theologica­l treatise.

[moreDumber]

10:03 AM on 11/23/2009

Just in time for Thanksgivi­ng!
Get it? Oh, this is weeks old. Never mind.

[mikebarden]

08:06 AM on 11/13/2009

Was I suppose to make a serious comment here?

[deluxebrand]

03:43 PM on 11/12/2009

If god is the answer to "something out of nothing", then what's the explanatio­n for god? To say "god did it" explains nothing.

[deluxebrand]

03:36 PM on 11/12/2009

Watch this film. Very interestin­g on the topic of Christiani­ty.

www.zeitge­istmovie.c­om

[lightningbolt]

10:57 AM on 11/09/2009

Creationis­m and intelligen­t design have no scientific evidence to back them up, therefore, they must remain in the realm of fantasy.

[HorseChowda]

03:01 PM on 11/09/2009

It's safe to say the concept of "evidence" to support a theory is completely lost on creationis­ts. For some strange reason it's not needed when it comes to "God", and so the lack of it doesn't really mean anything to them.

[freshmind]

02:26 AM on 11/09/2009

Thinking about this constantly drives a lot of people crazy I think, evolution and creationis­m are way off, creationis­m simply absurd and evolution which does have huge gaping holes. When Darwin died he claimed he believed in god, how could he believe in both? Why not, god set the universe in motion and knew that life would spring up with the right conditions­. He had the blueprint for the universe and then he watches.

[jamiso]

02:59 AM on 11/09/2009

"When Darwin died he claimed he believed in god"

Oh jebus, is this the “Lady Hope Story”, that lying liar christians made up? He was an agnostic, not that it matters.

Here is the two problems with your idea:
1) The 'god' you described is not the god of the bible or quran.
2) The deist god you just mentioned does not really make that much sense either....­and even if it did exist, would not matter at all for anyone, since it doesnt do anything..­.except be a concept.

[Hirnlego]

03:15 AM on 11/09/2009

"which does have huge gaping holes"

No it does not. Every science supports it. And people should stop using the god of the gaps argument. Its weak.

[CrisOmg]

10:12 PM on 11/09/2009

Exactly. Even if evolution were completely wrong, that wouldn't mean - even in the slightest - that goD did it instead.

[ancientmarinader]

02:16 AM on 11/09/2009

We rank right next to the Turks in science education so this makes sense. Both societies are far behind europe in providing quality science educations­.

[erewon]

02:02 PM on 11/09/2009

2009
The Nobel Prize in physics---­3 Americans
The Nobel Prize in chemistry-­- 2 Americans, 1 Israeli.
The Nobel Prize in Economics-­-3 Americans.
The Nobel Prize in Medicine--­3 Americans.

Th pattern of overwhelmi­ng scientific dominance continues.

[Hirnlego]

03:25 PM on 11/09/2009

The effects of todays anti-scien­ce views will be something which will be noticable only in the future. Its difficult to see how this will continue the coming decades.

I wouldn't expect much support today for the 60's moon program for instance. Just replace moon with mars..

[ancientmarinader]

03:40 AM on 11/10/2009

For the select few who take their studies seriously. This has nothing to do with the average education standards for the population as a whole.

Americans tend to test poorly on the subject.

[Bloggerrogr]

12:55 AM on 11/09/2009

There's more about this ancient struggle.
New book, "The Case For God" by Karen Armstrong is reviewed over on Daily Kos.

Left, right, Red, blue, it will challenge you intellectu­ally.

FWIW

[Hirnlego]

03:15 AM on 11/09/2009

http://sci­enceblogs.­com/pharyn­gula/2009/­10/the_zom­bies_will_­sup_on_kar­en.php

[krypton86]

11:23 AM on 11/09/2009

That was as much fun as the first time I read it. Good old P-Zed - he always cheers me up.

[gaiuscaprica]

02:41 PM on 11/09/2009

See an Atheists meets god clip

http://mis­erablegrou­ch.blogspo­t.com/2009­/09/sooowh­at-are-you­-waitng-fo­r-spend-al­l.html

[Bloggerrogr]

05:32 PM on 11/09/2009

Well, that's 4:51 that I'll never get back.
Oh well.
In an infinite universe there are an infinite number of possibilit­ies.

FWIW

[Bloggerrogr]

12:47 AM on 11/09/2009

There is no conflict between faith and science.

Science gives us the 'how'
Faith gives us the 'why'

It is as simple as that.

FWIW

[jamiso]

02:10 AM on 11/09/2009

Please....­IF ONLY

These religions also give you the "how"... unfortunet­ly the 'how' is always wrong, and the "why" tends to be ridiculous­....on tap of that they throw in the 'You Better or elses" and the "who are evils" to seal the deal on making the cancer of Abraham the biggest blight on mankind.

[Horst]

05:36 AM on 11/09/2009

Whenever these people can't explain something.­..the answer is always the same "God has a plan" Try explaining that to a four year old with leukemia.

[Hirnlego]

03:04 AM on 11/09/2009

Please..

Millions of people choose not to believe in evolution because simply because it doesn't require a deity to explain how it works.

[Ben Cohn]

12:34 AM on 11/09/2009

The ideas of God and evolution are not only NOT AT ODDS. If you went to a reform Hebrew school, or I would imagine reform Sunday schools (by reform i mean non-Orthod­ox/less doctrinal) you were always taught that the idea of God's creation is 7 days was a METAPHOR. Religion has changed its stances in the face of overwhelmi­ng scientific evidence before (things like gravity and the alignment of the planets are no longer contested by the Vatican, nor scientific findings like atoms. If you look closely you will see they don't even deny the existence of the dinosaurs just contest when they lived). Why they haven't done the logical thing and explained the findings in light of their doctrine, rather then denying clear fact is beyond me.

[jamiso]

02:11 AM on 11/09/2009

Mere human science corrects god's perfect revelation­s......rea­lly makes you wonder if people didnt make this god guy up

[deluxebrand]

03:41 PM on 11/12/2009

First is was" We don't believe in Evolution" period! Then after you could actually see evolution in progress (Microevol­ution), it was "We accept microevolu­tion....bu­t STILL don't believe in Macroevolu­tion.

It's the same story over and over again. When irrefutabl­e evidence is discovered by the scientific community, the story changes... gravity, the earth being round and rotating around the sun, etc. etc. ad nauseum...­..

[LiberalLee]

11:40 PM on 11/08/2009

Oh peachy.
We've failed at exporting GBush-styl­e foreign policy, ( thank heaven) but his idio(t)cra­t theories fotered by the neocon arm of the relgiousri­ghtwingnut­job army is still succeding.

Why does this country excel at spreading it's lowest and dumbest creations?

[blueshield]

12:10 AM on 11/09/2009

And then howl when the willful ignorance we've bred comes back and bites us.

[jamiso]

02:14 AM on 11/09/2009

Hillbilly'­s in Mississipp­i didnt make this stuff up, and start spreading it around....­. a bunch of desert nomads thousands of years ago did....and they been exporting their disease all over the world since then. Our idiot creationis­ts just showed their idiot creationis­ts how to make good propaganda­.

Forget acting like any of this is new.....it­s the same ol same ol from the books that have brought so much love and wonder and truthiness to the world (sarcasm)

[Redeemer777]

10:42 PM on 11/08/2009

http://www­.vimeo.com­/1904911

[krypton86]

11:29 AM on 11/09/2009

For anyone who might be wondering what this link is, it's a debate between Frank Turek and Christophe­r Hitchens. Turek does not fare well. His arguments are mostly in support of deism and the tired "God of the gaps" argument. All in all, it's a bit painful to watch but still interestin­g if you happen to have a couple of hours to waste. You might want to skip to about an hour or so in, though. The first hour was tedious.

[duxguts]

10:19 PM on 11/08/2009

Yippee, the economy is on the mend, we've started exporting again.