Compromise Reached On Health Care Bill: Anti-Abortion Amendment To Be Given Floor Vote

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First Posted: 11- 7-09 12:13 AM   |   Updated: 11- 7-09 10:13 AM

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As the House of Representatives inches toward a final vote on comprehensive health care reform this weekend -- the most dramatic domestic policy debate in several generations, a reorganization of a sixth of the economy -- the only thing the parties can talk about is abortion and immigration.

"It tells you something about our country," remarked one distressed member of Congress, who didn't want to be named speaking ill of this fine land.

What it tells isn't pretty: The ranks of the uninsured are steadily being filled, with the number approaching 50 million. Health care costs are rising at a rate several times that of inflation, eating into the take-home income of the majority of the American people and threatening to break the federal budget in less than a decade.

Yet the talk is of abortion and immigration.

All day on Friday, House leaders struggled to reconcile the pro-life and pro-choice wings of the Democratic Party. Over the last several weeks, the pro-choice bloc, consisting of nearly 200 Democrats, had gradually come to terms with an amendment authored by Rep. Lois Capps (D-Calif.).

The intent of the amendment was to keep the debate about health care rather than abortion and it would make clear that -- as is current law -- no federal funds would be used for abortion. "Our hope was that we could continue the current ban on federal funding for abortion so the issue wouldn't bog down the overall health reform legislation," wrote Capps at the time.

But that wasn't enough for pro-life Democrats. On November 3, Rep. Brad Ellsworth (D-Ind.) offered a more conservative compromise, one that restricted abortion in a bunch of extra ways and would require at least one private plan in the exchange not to cover abortion.

In reality, most insurance plans -- even using pro-life numbers -- already do not cover abortion.

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Still, pro-choice Democrats swallowed the compromise -- while saying they'd go no further. Health care reform, said Rep. Lynn Woolsey (D-Calif.), a staunch pro-choicer and co-chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, should not be a vehicle to drive a pro-life social agenda.

That's when Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) re-entered the debate. Stupak is a longtime pro-life advocate and had been pressing his concerns upon House leadership. On Friday, Ellsworth withdrew his compromise language from negotiations, according to several House sources, sending the debate back to the starting line, where Stupak was waiting.

Stupak, in meetings with Pelosi and other members of leadership, pressed to include, instead, his own amendment that would ban the public health insurance option from funding abortion and also ban any private plan operating within the exchange from funding abortions. Under Stupak's plan, a woman buying private insurance from within the exchange with her own money would not have a choice of a plan that covered abortion.

During the early afternoon, Pelosi was leaning toward including some more moderately blended version of Stupak and Ellsworth's amendment's as part of the health care bill that would be sent to the floor, several aides told HuffPost. Just before 5:00 PM, Stupak and Rep. Henry Waxman (D-Calif.), who battled over abortion while the bill moved through Waxman's Energy and Commerce Committee, huddled on the House floor. Leaving the floor, the generally talkative Waxman gruffly brushed off reporters, asserting his alleged right "not to be swarmed."

Tempers flared. A Democratic congressman told House Republicans, who then told the Huffington Post, that Rep. Diana DeGette (D-Colo.) was asked to leave a leadership meeting where the pro-life agreement was being considered. DeGette is firmly pro-choice and it was thought, the source said, that she would not agree to the deal. "False," said a leadership aide, saying that "she had to leave to attend another meeting. Other pro-choice members [were] in there with leadership, as well as Waxman."

Either way, the question came down to who had the votes. Stupak's driving argument was that he had more than the 40 members he needed to "take down the rule" -- legislative lingo for defeating a bill on the House floor before it comes for a final vote. No one was sure whether Stupak actually had the 40 votes, but pro-choice Democrats were skeptical.

As the night and the meetings wore on, Pelosi shifted, multiple aides said, and was leaning toward allowing a floor vote on the Stupak-Ellsworth amendment rather than inserting it into the bill. The logical conclusion is that Pelosi determined she would lose too many pro-choice and progressive votes in the process of harnessing pro-life Democrats.

Shortly after midnight, Stupak addressed the Rules Committee and requested a floor vote on the amendment, ending a day of drama, but leaving open questions that will be answered Saturday: Does his amendment have enough votes to pass? If it does, will pro-choice Democrats flee and sink the bill?

The thinking among leadership is that allowing a vote -- regardless of the outcome -- helps win votes for final passage. If it passes, then pro-lifers line up behind health care reform. If it fails, at least they had their vote. For pro-choicers, if the amendment passes they can still fight to remove it during negotiations with the Senate -- which rejected tough abortion restrictions.

Meanwhile, aides from both parties say, the GOP is planning out how it will game the language in its motion to recommit -- an alternative measure aimed at stamping out the bill that the minority is entitled to introduce. The GOP could include language supporting Democrat-backed proposals, such as single-payer health care or a robust public option -- and then vote present, allowing a majority of Democrats to carry the vote to victory and complicate things for leadership.

Or the GOP could toss out anti-immigration language. That effort could garner the support of a big enough bloc of Democrats to give Pelosi genuine concern that it could prevail. Here we wander further from reality: undocumented workers currently get free medical care at great expense to the American people at emergency rooms across the country. The GOP's alternative approach, as it's been described in the past, denies that reality while simultaneously turning businesses into immigration-enforcement arms. People here illegally, however, would still be able to go to the emergency room for free.

Lost in the back and forth are the tens of millions without insurance and the nation's broken health care system. More surprising than the behavior of Congress, perhaps, is the fact that it has gotten as far as it has.

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Elections Matter!
While we don't always get what we want and it may not happen as quickly as we want. There is only one political party that is doing ANYTHING for the working people in this country.

The cynicism that the GOP showed in the town hall meetings over the summer;
the poor taste and the lack of patriotism that is being shown by protesters comparing our country to Nazi Germany should not be forgotten.

I am glad that our America hasn't been taken by the tea baggers.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 AM on 11/08/2009

As expected, Obama and his accomplices are LYING. They say we will not be forced to pay for abortions. But that's just one more LIE to force us to swallow the criminal Obamacare SCAM.

Lies do not change Obama's pro-abortion and pro-infanticide (late-term abortion) stand, nor the aberrant stands (based on eugenics) of Obama's Health Care Czar Ezekiel Emanuel and Science Czar John Holdren.

Obama's Health Care Czar Ezekiel Emanuel, rightfully called "Doctor Death," would make Dr. Kervorkian proud.

Dr. Emanuel has said that "Medical care should not be given to those who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens." As per Dr. Emanuel, your mother suffering from Alzheimer’s or your child diagnosed with Down’s Syndrome SHOULD NOT receive medical care. http://freedomedium.com/2009/07/barack-obama-appoints-doctor-death-as-health-care-czar/

And Obama's "Science Czar" John Holdren has called for population-control policies such as forced abortions, mass sterilizations, and mandatory population controls. http://www.prisonplanet.com/john-holdren-obamas-science-czar-forced-abortions-and-mass-sterilization-needed-to-save-the-planet.html

Lies do not change the FACT that we are broke and Obamacare will further destroy our economy, our future and the future of our children and grandchildren.

Lies do not change the FACT that Obamacare is another scam to enslave us.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 PM on 11/07/2009
- NevadaLib I'm a Fan of NevadaLib 12 fans permalink
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we can all thank Ronald Reagan for this bill both sucking and probably not passing. His uninformed fear of government programs are the centerpiece of the GOP agenda, and completely irrational. this is another example of compromising with the people who arent going to vote for it anyway. This amendment would be foolish.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 PM on 11/07/2009
- OgreDaddy I'm a Fan of OgreDaddy 32 fans permalink
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I personally do not think we should be forced to pay for health insurance at all.

Health Insurance supports thousands of middle men, a protection racket.

This nation deserves actual HEALTH CARE for all citizens .

We've payed enough and worked hard enough to never worry when we need to see a doctor.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 PM on 11/07/2009
- NevadaLib I'm a Fan of NevadaLib 12 fans permalink
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I completely agree. The more I think about health insurance, the more it seems like a privatized tax/burden on everyone. The difference is that the private sector can and has gotten away with denying care and providing minimal expensive coverage for years, the government could never get away with that, especially in a single payer system.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 11/07/2009
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We can afford several traitorous dinos, so far it's a few.
When do we get to know who they are? I want to know!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 PM on 11/07/2009
- oneanddone I'm a Fan of oneanddone 21 fans permalink
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All this bickering is needless. THIS house bill is DOA in the Senate

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 PM on 11/07/2009
- t iessa I'm a Fan of t iessa 49 fans permalink
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You're probably right but the Dems want to look like they are doing something without actually having to do something. They're very good at that.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 11/07/2009
- oneanddone I'm a Fan of oneanddone 21 fans permalink
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Anyone want to make a guess at what the Premiums will be on a public option plan?

I am guessing between $500-$750 monthly for a family of 4

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 11/07/2009
- Decipherer I'm a Fan of Decipherer 91 fans permalink

Maybe, Nostradumbass, but even if true, that is STILL 1/2 to 2/3 better than what we're paying now for a whole lot less than we will get through this legislation.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 PM on 11/07/2009
- oneanddone I'm a Fan of oneanddone 21 fans permalink
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A whole less??? That will still be an 80/20 plan. You will still have to come up with 20%. Plus deductibles and co-pays. Plus individuals that dont want it will be forced to buy it.

All this will cost us 1.2 Trillion. What a deal

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 PM on 11/07/2009
- vmac I'm a Fan of vmac permalink

According to the Congressional Budget Office, a single person with income of $26500. would pay $2800 per year on average ~ could be a little more or less depending on use of the plan. Although CBO says premiums will be roughly the same as with private insurance, when I talked to people in this income bracket, they said this was higher than what they were paying now so I guess there are provisions in the bill that would increase the cost of private insurance.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:12 PM on 11/07/2009
- wearyvoter I'm a Fan of wearyvoter 4 fans permalink

We're already paying $550/mo to cover 2 people on a private plan. And it doesn't cover that much.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:44 PM on 11/07/2009
- vmac I'm a Fan of vmac permalink

I guess this is why the Republicans wanted to open up competition across state lines (which most states currently do not allow). Our family of two pays $3380 yr for excellent coverage from a company out of New Jersey. Under the government-run plan, the CBO says everyone will pay 11% of yearly income for their premiums (except those with incomes under the Federal Poverty Level).

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:09 PM on 11/07/2009
- ljc I'm a Fan of ljc 105 fans permalink

+ Waxer I'm a Fan of Waxer I'm a fan of this user 9 fans permalink
You or the government has never paid one dime for me and won't.

Then he says this.

MY taxes over 45 years has more than taken care of my share of participation in this society. I gave 4 years of my life to the US Air Force. I attended college under the GI bill. What have you done for your country?

Hmmm... who paid for your healthcare while in the AF.... I think you are digging a deep hole and cannot be believed any longer.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 PM on 11/07/2009
- oneanddone I'm a Fan of oneanddone 21 fans permalink
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This bill will tax all Medical suppliers of equipment and supplies. Is that keeping health care costs down???? Those taxes will passed on to you thru HIGHER health care costs.

Just 1 example of you lefties not knowing what is in the bill.

But you want it anyway

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 11/07/2009
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most suppliers way over charge and add to the inflated cost of health care far and above what is reasonable. yes research should be supported but millionaires should not be be made selling medical equipment. that is just as wrong as insurance co. CEOS making 8 digit salaries

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 11/07/2009
- oneanddone I'm a Fan of oneanddone 21 fans permalink
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Yes they do and they will continue to raise prices because of this tax. That will increase health care costs, not bring them down

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 PM on 11/07/2009

those that don't have health care must buy the equipment and supplies out of pocket. whole shabang. get it now?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:08 PM on 11/07/2009
- rkrenke I'm a Fan of rkrenke 20 fans permalink

I just received another email from Planned Parenthood that states, "Late yesterday, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops met with leaders in the House of Representatives in their bid to eliminate women's access to abortion care under health care reform."

Anyone who's concerned about a woman's right to privacy, as well as ensuring that women have access to safe medical treatments despite their status or income, should be very concerned about the Catholic Church's interference in this issue. Churches that engage in political lobbying should lose their tax-exempt status and we should call on the DOJ to investigate both the Catholic and Mormon churches for their outright political advocacy and manipulation of abortion and LGBT legislative policies.

Please take a minute now to call your Rep and ask them to stand strong against the Stupak amendment. And, Michigan residents need to ensure that Stupak has a strong primary challenger come 2010!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 AM on 11/07/2009
- oneanddone I'm a Fan of oneanddone 21 fans permalink
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Rowe V Wade is very clear. Abortions are not to be covered at government expense. No one should be concerned about anything. If you want an abortion, then pay for it YOURSELF

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 11/07/2009
- rkrenke I'm a Fan of rkrenke 20 fans permalink

That is absolutely false - The Roe v Wade decision was based on guaranteeing a woman's right to privacy, as well as ensuring that women have access to safe medical treatments.

Save your propaganda for another website.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 11/07/2009
- Decipherer I'm a Fan of Decipherer 91 fans permalink

The Roe v. Wade decision made no statement and set no policy regarding who pays for a woman's right to abortion.

That came about four years later in what is known as the Hyde Amendment, which prohibits the use of federal funds for abortion services.

They both remain the law of the land. You can read the Supreme Court decision and the amendment if you cared to bother, or bothered to care.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 PM on 11/07/2009
- Decipherer I'm a Fan of Decipherer 91 fans permalink

It's not "ROWE," it's "ROE," OK?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 11/07/2009
- vmac I'm a Fan of vmac permalink

Federal appropriations bills include language known as the Hyde Amendment that prohibits the use of federal funds to pay for elective abortions under Medicare and Medicaid Programs. Section 213, line 16, page 96 of this bill describes the assestment of monthly premiums that will be used to pay for elective abortion under the government-run plan and states the Commissioner must charge a minimum of $1 per enrollee per month.

I studied each of the bills proposed (to the extent that they would allow us to) in order to determine how it would impact my family and the country. I am an Independent and not interested in the abortion issue ~ I listed the source so you could confirm.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:38 PM on 11/07/2009
- TaiTai I'm a Fan of TaiTai 15 fans permalink

Nobody "wants" an abortion! The vast majority of women seeking abortions are doing so because something has gone horribly wrong. As a woman, I can imagine being in a situation where having one might be necessary. Therefore, I would want an insurance plan that would actually HELP me, and not be mired in some religious debate - especially if I am paying for that insurance on a private exchange! It's a legal, medical procedure - it should be at least partially covered.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 PM on 11/07/2009

Why is Planned Parenthood in a tizzy when they and the Liberal loonies have been saying all along that abortion wasn't included. It took a fight to put into the legislation that death would not be funded by my tax dollars and then they cry foul! Such hypocrisy from the Planned Parenthood genociders.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:21 PM on 11/07/2009
- TaiTai I'm a Fan of TaiTai 15 fans permalink

The better question is why is the Catholic church getting so involved in politics? If they're going to act as lobbyists, raising money to fight against womens rights, and gay rights - they should at least pay taxes.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 PM on 11/07/2009
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To: Waxer & AllieMD

It is clear from both your comments that NEITHER of YOU are not even living in the USA ...

Great, now the Teabaggers are employing NON-US residents to post false propaganda on blogs ..

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 AM on 11/07/2009
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Oops!

I'm not living in the USA either, KEH.

Nor am I a U.S. citizen.

I contribute here because -

a) I am a believer in Barack Obama. I trust him, and believe him to be an honest man.

b) I believe it's important to stay up-to-date with what's happening in the most powerful nation in the world. Where better to learn, than a website that attracts a wide range of viewpoints.

c) What happens in the USA will ultimately impact on all of us.

d) Your politics, political system, and politicians are SO MUCH MORE FUN than ours (in the UK and Ireland). ;-))

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 AM on 11/07/2009
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onwards

I don't have any problem with anyone outside of the USA posting pro or con comments regarding policy in the USA ...

The only thing I object to are NON-US residents posting false propaganda regarding US policy.

Those types, either post false propaganda because a) they are anti-American and want our country's "people" to fail or b) they are being paid by a propaganda group to spread such propaganda.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 AM on 11/07/2009
- Decipherer I'm a Fan of Decipherer 91 fans permalink

How refreshing! But why does it take an alert, knowledgeable person from other shores to have a true understanding of what is going on in this country?

Thanks for your contributions and observations.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 AM on 11/07/2009
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To: BillHodges

YOU wrote: "So the General Welfare statement means health coverage, food for all, and a guaranteed job for all. It does not say a thing about any of these things."

MY comment to YOU:
BillHodges,

Yes, health & food ARE in deed part of "general welfare" .... That is why WE don't let people STARVE in this country ...

that is WHY Reagan started the Government Cheese program ..... so people would NOT STARVE.

that is WHY Reagan mandated that even non-citizens of the USA ARE covered in US hospitals if they have no insurance

... because ... even Reagan KNEW that "General Welfare" includes food & health.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 AM on 11/07/2009
- Decipherer I'm a Fan of Decipherer 91 fans permalink

Whether we as a country allow people to starve or not in your i.di.ot.ica.lly extreme example has nothing to do with the preamble to the U.S. Constitution, and has everything to do with laws passed by the Congress to protect people in all sorts of ways, backed up by the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment, if necessary.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 PM on 11/07/2009
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Decipher,

Either way ... We as a country have laws that protect the general welfare of the "People."

And... as I pointed out to BillHodges - who has no idea what the term "general welfare" means ... General welfare DOES include food and health.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 PM on 11/07/2009
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To: Decipher,

YOU wrote: The term "general welfare" appears in the preamble to the U.S. Constitution and is NOT LAW, OK?

MY comment to YOU: The US Constitution IS the LAW OF THE LAND. Get an education

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 AM on 11/07/2009
- Decipherer I'm a Fan of Decipherer 91 fans permalink

You already wrote that elsewhere, Jethro.

At the risk of repeating myself, the words of the preamble to the U.S. Constitution are NOT the law of the land, but are broad philosophical statement of inspiration, purpose and intent.

I suggest you look it up if you don't believe me. Otherwise, you are wasting our time.

And the nom de guerre is "Decipherer," OK?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 AM on 11/07/2009
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Decipher,

Do yourself a favor - get an education.

You are 100% WRONG ... the US Constitution has always been and will always be THE law of the land.

FACTS:
Legislative Branch - write the laws

Judicial Branch - makes sure those laws are CONSTITUTIONAL ie., makes sure those written laws do NOT violate the LAW OF THE LAND - which IS the US CONSTITUTION.

Executive Branch - signs those laws & thus puts those laws on the books.

Thats WHY we have 3 branches of government ....

You should really tell your parents they should not have let you drop out of school when you were 10 years old ... you missed out on an education ... and it shows in your comments.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 AM on 11/07/2009
- ljc I'm a Fan of ljc 105 fans permalink

Most people get their health insurance through their employer, even pro-lifers. Why do they not object to being in a program that covers abortion as one of the benefits through their employers program ? Hypocrites all.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 AM on 11/07/2009
- loria I'm a Fan of loria 146 fans permalink
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Do most of us even know if our insurance covers abortions? I don't know. I've never checked.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 AM on 11/07/2009
- ljc I'm a Fan of ljc 105 fans permalink

All anyone has to do loria is check what is excluded. My guess and experience is that it is covered by all employer based insurance.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 AM on 11/07/2009
- Waxer I'm a Fan of Waxer 10 fans permalink

I don't want the government to tell me what type of policy I purchase for my employees. Choice and competition, remember? That's Obama's theme!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 AM on 11/07/2009
- Decipherer I'm a Fan of Decipherer 91 fans permalink

Guess what, Sparky? This bill passes, you and your employees (if they actually exist, other than in your fevered mind) WILL have choice because IT WILL create competition which TODAY is largely non-existent.

That IS "Obama's theme," and more importantly, his promise.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 11/07/2009
- ljc I'm a Fan of ljc 105 fans permalink

What ? Are you saying that you, as an employer get to decide which benefits are covered ? As far as the type of policy that will have to be provide, this legislation has minimum coverage requirements that kick in 1-1-13. The discremination clauses kick in 1-1-10. Are you sure you know what is actually in the bill. There is a simple language version at the edlabor website.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 AM on 11/07/2009
- ljc I'm a Fan of ljc 105 fans permalink

Where are all the regulars today? Did I sleep through the call for a boycott of the right turning HP?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 AM on 11/07/2009
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    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 AM on 11/07/2009
- ljc I'm a Fan of ljc 105 fans permalink

You are not the first to mention that site. Thanks, I went there yesterday, but they it had crashed and was only partially back up. I did see some familiar names in the comments .

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 AM on 11/07/2009
- ljc I'm a Fan of ljc 105 fans permalink

Grr. They deleted my comment to you. I was there yesterday.

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