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DAVID ESPO | 11/ 7/09 11:47 PM | AP

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WASHINGTON — In a victory for President Barack Obama, the Democratic-controlled House narrowly passed landmark health care legislation Saturday night to expand coverage to tens of millions who lack it and place tough new restrictions on the insurance industry. Republican opposition was nearly unanimous.

The 220-215 vote cleared the way for the Senate to begin debate on the issue that has come to overshadow all others in Congress.

A triumphant Speaker Nancy Pelosi likened the legislation to the passage of Social Security in 1935 and Medicare 30 years later.

"It provides coverage for 96 percent of Americans. It offers everyone, regardless of health or income, the peace of mind that comes from knowing they will have access to affordable health care when they need it," said Rep. John Dingell, the 83-year-old Michigan lawmaker who has introduced national health insurance in every Congress since succeeding his father in 1955.

In the run-up to a final vote, conservatives from the two political parties joined forces to impose tough new restrictions on abortion coverage in insurance policies to be sold to many individuals and small groups. They prevailed on a roll call of 240-194.

Ironically, that only solidified support for the legislation, clearing the way for conservative Democrats to vote for it.

The legislation would require most Americans to carry insurance and provide federal subsidies to those who otherwise could not afford it. Large companies would have to offer coverage to their employees. Both consumers and companies would be slapped with penalties if they defied the government's mandates.

Insurance industry practices such as denying coverage on the basis of pre-existing medical conditions would be banned, and insurers would no longer be able to charge higher premiums on the basis of gender or medical history. In a further slap, the industry would lose its exemption from federal antitrust restrictions on price gouging, bid rigging and market allocation.

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A cheer went up from the Democratic side of the House when the bill gained 218 votes, a majority. Moments later, Democrats counted down the final seconds of the voting period in unison, and and let loose an even louder roar when Pelosi grabbed the gavel and declared, "the bill is passed.'

From the Senate, Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada issued a statement saying, "We realize the strong will for reform that exists, and we are energized that we stand closer than ever to reforming our broken health insurance system."

The bill drew the votes of 219 Democrats and Rep. Joseph Cao, a first-term Republican who holds an overwhelmingly Democratic seat in New Orleans. Opposed were 176 Republicans and 39 Democrats.

Nearly unanimous in their opposition, minority Republicans cataloged their objections across hours of debate on the 1,990-page, $1.2 trillion legislation.

United in opposition, minority Republicans cataloged their objections across hours of debate on the 1,990-page, $1.2 trillion legislation.

"We are going to have a complete government takeover of our health care system faster than you can say, `this is making me sick,'" jabbed Rep. Candice Miller, R-Mich., adding that Democrats were intent on passing "a jobs-killing, tax-hiking, deficit-exploding" bill.

But with little doubt about the outcome, the rhetoric lacked the fire of last summer's town hall meetings, when some critics accused Democrats of plotting "death panels" to hasten the demise of senior citizens.

The legislation would require most Americans to carry insurance and provide federal subsidies to those who otherwise could not afford it. Large companies would have to offer coverage to their employees. Both consumers and companies would be slapped with penalties if they defied the government's mandates.

Insurance industry practices such as denying coverage on the basis of pre-existing medical conditions would be banned, and insurers would no longer be able to charge higher premiums on the basis of gender or medical history. In a further slap, the industry would lose its exemption from federal antitrust restrictions on price gouging, bid rigging and market allocation.

At its core, the measure would create a federally regulated marketplace where consumers could shop for coverage. In the bill's most controversial provision, the government would sell insurance, although the Congressional Budget Office forecasts that premiums for it would be more expensive than for policies sold by private firms.

The bill is projected to expand coverage to 36 million uninsured, resulting in 96 percent of the nation's eligible population having insurance.

To pay for the expansion of coverage, the bill cuts Medicare's projected spending by more than $400 billion over a decade. It also imposes a tax surcharge of 5.4 percent on income over $500,000 in the case of individuals and $1 million for families.

The bill was estimated to reduce federal deficits by about $104 billion over a decade, although it lacked two of the key cost-cutting provisions under consideration in the Senate, and its longer-term impact on government red ink was far from clear.

Democrats lined up a range of outside groups behind their legislation, none more important than the AARP, whose support promises political cover against the cuts to Medicare in next year's congressional elections.

The nation's drug companies generally support health care overhaul. And while the powerful insurance industry opposed the legislation, it did so quietly, and the result was that Republicans could not count on the type of advertising campaign that might have peeled away skittish Democrats in swing districts.

Over all, the bill envisioned the most sweeping set of changes to the health care system in more than a generation, and Democrats said it marked the culmination of a campaign that Harry Truman began when he sat in the White House 60 years ago.

Debate on the House floor had already begun when Obama strode into a closed-door meeting of the Democratic rank and file across the street from the Capitol to make a final personal appeal to them to pass his top domestic priority.

Later, in an appearance at the White House, he said he had told lawmakers, "to rise to this moment. Answer the call of history, and vote yes for health insurance reform for America."

Participants also said Obama had referred to this week's shooting rampage at Fort Hood, Texas, in which 13 people were killed. His remarks put in perspective that the hardships soldiers endure for the country are "what sacrifice really is," as opposed to "casting a vote that might lose an election for you," said Rep. Robert Andrews, D-N.J.

It appeared that a compromise brokered Friday night on the volatile issue of abortion had finally secured the votes needed to pass the legislation.

As drafted, the measure denied the use of federal subsidies to purchase abortion coverage in policies sold by private insurers in the new insurance exchange, except in cases of incest, rape or when the life of the mother was in danger.

But abortion foes won far stronger restrictions that would rule out abortion coverage except in those three categories in any government-sold plan. It would also ban abortion coverage in any private plan purchased by consumers receiving federal subsidies.

Disappointed Democratic abortion rights supporters grumbled about the turn of events, but pulled back quickly from any thought of opposing the health care bill in protest.

One, Rep. Jan Schakowsky, D-Ill., detailed numerous other benefits for women in the bill, including free medical preventive services and better prescription drug coverage under Medicare. "Women need health care reform," she concluded in remarks on the House floor.

A Republican alternative was rejected on a near party line vote of 258-176.

It relied heavily on loosening regulations on private insurers to reduce costs for those who currently have insurance, in some cases by as much as 10 percent. But congressional budget analysts said the plan would make no dent in the ranks of the uninsured, an assessment that highlighted the difference in priorities between the two political parties.

It was a theme of Obama's remarks to Democrats at midmorning.

The president said Democrats have a 70-year history of creating and defending programs like Social Security and Medicare, Andrews said afterward, adding Obama had said the day's vote "is going to define the difference between the Republican and Democratic parties for decades."

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Associated Press writers Phil Elliott, Alan Fram and Erica Werner contributed to this report.

WASHINGTON — In a victory for President Barack Obama, the Democratic-controlled House narrowly passed landmark health care legislation Saturday night to expand coverage to tens of millions who l...
WASHINGTON — In a victory for President Barack Obama, the Democratic-controlled House narrowly passed landmark health care legislation Saturday night to expand coverage to tens of millions who l...
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I'm a conservative- love all people, rich or poor - black or white. What I don't like are people who don't take responsibilty for themselves and think the govt., or others 'owe' them a living. Everyone can be down on their luck at times, yes, help those out. NOTE:: conservatives are more generous than democrats in giving (trust me - a fact- look it up).

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 PM on 11/21/2009
- cimbri I'm a Fan of cimbri 38 fans permalink
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The chances of this bill passing the Senate are literally 1 in a million.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 PM on 11/08/2009
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Lets start working on the Senate now- so we can get this passed there too!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 PM on 11/08/2009
- hischagal I'm a Fan of hischagal 21 fans permalink

Wooooooooo­hooooooooo­!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 AM on 11/08/2009
- hischagal I'm a Fan of hischagal 21 fans permalink

What a fantastic day! Eric Cantor stormed out. I love it.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 AM on 11/08/2009
- hischagal I'm a Fan of hischagal 21 fans permalink

Michelle Bachmann, eat your heart out. You and your insane supporters lost. Big time!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 AM on 11/08/2009
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Next step - the Senate.

Being from California, I am represented in there as ~1/70 of a Wyoming person. Something like a ... like a feet of a Wyoming person. Or a shoulder.

Such kind of fraction reminds me something.­.. something like the 3/5 rule...

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:49 AM on 11/08/2009
- cimbri I'm a Fan of cimbri 38 fans permalink
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That's called living in a Republic.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 PM on 11/08/2009
- AtheistUS I'm a Fan of AtheistUS 67 fans permalink
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Yes, there is always a nice name for anything.

For a while the 3/5 rule was considered to be OK too.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:39 PM on 11/08/2009
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This was posted earlier by a fellow blogger, Rhoda and think it was worth positing again as a remainder of our history:


When FDR and LBJ were trying to pound Social Security and Medicare through Congress against fierce resistance from Republicans and conservative Democrats, Democrats to their left expressed pretty much identical sentiments about inadequacies of both bills in their original form. They were so horribly flawed and compromised, it would be better to pass nothing than to pass bills that were far from perfect.

Fortunately .. bills don't have to be perfect the first time because Congress actually has the power to ... reshape laws after they're enacted. Thanks to this virtually unknown power of Congress, both Social Security and Medicare were expanded and improved in subsequent years and, in every case, it was vastly easier to make them better than it was to enact them in the first place. Because it also turned out that the hard part is getting Congress to accept the concept. Once they did that, the rest followed.

And, of course, just as the Democrats to the left of LBJ day failed to learn anything from FDR's experience with Social Security, today's perfectionistas have failed to learn anything other than what their dogma tells them.



YOu rock, Rhonda.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 AM on 11/08/2009

Thanks to that expansion, Social Security, Medicare, Medicare-D and Medicaid are projected to take up the entire US budget in approximately a decade!! No room for any other programs.

So America, it is time for your contribution. Get healthy, eat lean protein, fruits and vegetables and exercise every day, so that you don't end up a senior attached to drugs to treat your self-induced chronic diseases; so that your children don't end up with Type 2 Diabetes when it didn't have to be that way.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 AM on 11/08/2009
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Thanks to the tax give away by Bush and Company and the war budget that was approved by the Senate with out any projected way to pay for it!
This here problem of yours- is because of the debt that Bush created and there are ways to fix it.
Funny how the right wing is always saying this- but we are never too broke to go to war.....

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 11/08/2009
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I want everyone to keep in mind, that in 1935 Republicans voted against social security and 30 years ago they voted against Medicare, and now if try to pry these benefits out of the hands of their constituents, they will probably cut you. Some of the same arguments being used today were used then. They are always wrong.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 AM on 11/08/2009
- huff-fan I'm a Fan of huff-fan 32 fans permalink
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MN has two Senators who will vote yes.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 PM on 11/07/2009
- winnie47 I'm a Fan of winnie47 37 fans permalink
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We need 60 votes for cloture but only 51 for a pass. Lieberman vows to join the Rethugs and filibuster. Who here is from Connecticut that can b!tchslap him for the rest of the country?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:19 PM on 11/08/2009
- grind88 I'm a Fan of grind88 9 fans permalink

Question: What more, if anything, is needed for this bill to get passed for real? Are there any more hurdles along the way? (I'm not from your country and i'm not very familiar with your legislative proces)

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 PM on 11/07/2009
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A lot Americans are not familiar with the legislative process. We still have a little way to go before it gets to the president desk for signing. This is a big step though.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 AM on 11/08/2009

Senate vote will follow, then the two bills will be combined (reconcilled) and then one final vote from each of the house and senate, then signed, sealed and delivered!!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 AM on 11/08/2009

Grind, the bill now has to go to the Senate, where they will haggle and the Repubs will pull the same delay-tactic bullshit, and try to water it down, etc. The trick will be getting a decent public-health option included in the Senate version, and getting enough votes for it to pass.

Generally, that means 60 votes, although there is a procedural tactic called "reconcilation" that only requires 51 votes, but there are some aspects of a bill that cannot be approved via the reconciliation process. So, stay tuned.....

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 AM on 11/08/2009

The Senate has to pass it.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 AM on 11/08/2009
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We need a vote of 60 senators to reach cloture, which means cut off debate and vote. Without that, the Republicans could filibuster, which means to talk the bill to death by refusing to end debate. After that, the actual vote is a simple majority, meaning 51 votes. And technically, it could be just 50 votes. Then the VPOTUS (Biden) would break the tie and make it 51 votes. The problem is that since no Rethugs are likely to vote for cloture, we need all 58 Democratic senators, plus the 2 Independents, Bernie Sanders and Joe Lieberman to vote for cloture. Lieberman has already said he'll filibuster the bill. Can somebody from Connecticut get control of your loony senator, please?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:28 PM on 11/08/2009
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Congratulation to all of us.

And to democratic party elite: They may be finally overcoming their long time habit to lose.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 PM on 11/07/2009
- winnie47 I'm a Fan of winnie47 37 fans permalink
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The Dem bill passed regardless of the endless Rethug drama. Oh- and one rethug defector, Rep Cao. Gues that makes it bipartisan, eh Bo(eh)ner?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 PM on 11/07/2009
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Finally, 60 years in coming and it has happened. It's NOT perfect,it's not all I wanted..bu­t it's a start; now the real work begins..Th­e senate bill ..then bringing the two of them together and get them to the presidents desk..We can't let up..we can't quit, We HAVE to keep the pressure up on Congress if we want reform..We the People have to speak LOUD and LONG..Call­, Write, visit..com­ment on Blogs..let­'s bury the naysayers in POSITIVE actions for ALL of us. ==(:*D

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 PM on 11/07/2009
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Rep cao of LA. brave..gon­na catch some major flack for voting for it

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 PM on 11/07/2009
- winnie47 I'm a Fan of winnie47 37 fans permalink
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I looked him up. He's from a heavily Dem district. He was saving his bacon with that vote.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 PM on 11/07/2009
- sanekook I'm a Fan of sanekook 8 fans permalink

I'm not sure it matters. If only all reps did the will of their constituents. Would you rather he voted with his party?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 PM on 11/07/2009
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