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Wall Street Banks Tricking Little Guys Into Lobbying for Them

First Posted: 03/18/10 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 03:35 PM ET

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Wall Street titans, recognizing that they have something of a credibility problem when it comes to opposing regulatory reform, are enlisting more sympathetic, everyday folks to lobby on their behalf on Capitol Hill.

Bankers, brokers and swaps dealers have been browbeating their clients -- farmers, fuel companies, airlines, municipal power companies -- who are the "end users" of financial derivatives: Lobby Congress against reform of the derivatives market, the bankers say, or the cost of your derivative deals will skyrocket.

"There are many end users who just don't understand the issue, so they're heavily influenced by anybody who does," said Jim Collura of the New England Fuel Institute.

"Many of these guys are influenced by one or both of the following: It's either someone from the financial community whom they've known or respected. It may be their broker, their financial adviser, their swap dealer, whoever. Or they're a member of a trade group and they're getting hammered constantly with: 'You're going to be put out of business; you're not going to be able to hedge; you're not going to be competitive anymore' -- including some of my members," Collura said.

Senate Banking Committee Chairman Chris Dodd (D-Conn.) said he sees evidence of the bankers' influence when end users lobby him. "The end users have been basically used by the major investment banks," he told HuffPost Tuesday.

Dodd explains to them that, contrary to what they may have been told, one purpose of regulating derivatives is to protect people like them against predatory bankers. "When you tell them how they benefit from this, they say, 'Well, no one told us this part.'"

The question being debated: Should derivatives - oil or corn futures, or foreign-currency or interest-rate swaps, for instance - be traded in the light of day on a regulated exchange? Or should this multi-trillion dollar market that was a major cause of the last financial crisis continue to just swash around in the dark?

So far, the forces of darkness are prevailing with the end users. Early last month, the International Swaps and Derivatives Association (ISDA) pulled together a coalition of end users who drafted a letter to Congress repeating the precise fears that brokers have been instilling in them. "[S]ome reform proposals would place an extraordinary burden on end-users of derivatives in every sector of the economy--including manufacturers, energy companies, utilities, healthcare companies and commercial real estate owners and developers. Specifically, proposals that would require all OTC derivatives used by business end-users to be centrally cleared, executed on exchanges or cash collateralized or subject end-users to capital charges, would inhibit companies from using these important risk management tools in the course of everyday business operations. These proposals, which would increase business risk and raise costs, are at cross purposes with the goals of lowering systemic risk and promoting economic recovery," reads a letter signed by several pages worth of end users and provided by ISDA.

[UPDATE: A spokesperson for the ISDA insists that the group did not "put together the end users coalition" nor initiated or wrote the letter. Our sources said, however, that ISDA was among those encouraging members to join the effort.]

Such arguments worked wonders in the House. The reform legislation in the lower chamber contains gaping carve-outs for end users, which could effectively undermine any effort to bring light to the dark pools of capital that the system nearly drowned in last fall.

Dodd's bill, unveiled Tuesday, contains no such loophole. "I don't have any [carve-outs]," he said. "I mean, you start down that road, it's endless."

Wall Street traders, however, are very keen on taking Congress down that endless road, which is why they've encouraged each individual user to lobby for a specific exemption.

"Some of our heating oil dealers have heard directly from their investment companies and their traders that they work with," said Sherri Cabrera of the Petroleum Marketers Association of America. Those traders, she said, have pushed the companies to lobby their representatives for an exemption from the regulated derivatives exchange for heating-oil companies.

Sean Cota is the president of Cota & Cota, Inc. a small fuel company in Bellow Falls, Vermont - just the kind of firm that has influence and credibility with home-state lawmakers.

"We had a consensus amongst everybody that this was all a great thing," he said of reform efforts, "until ISDA, the International Swaps and Derivates Association, with the big players and the money in the over-the-counter market, said 'You've got to figure out who your biggest accounts are and start telling them that it's going to get really expensive to do these hedging programs for you folks in the physical market. So you need to make sure that financial reform doesn't happen,'" said Cota.

There's nothing intrinsically wrong with derivatives. Lots of companies rely on them to hedge against risk. A farmer or oil producer may want to lock in a future price to avoid the fluctuations of the market and enable financial planning and budgeting. Manufacturers concerned about interest-rate fluctuations or the rise or fall of the dollar can minimize risk by using currency or interest-rate swaps.

But major investors who don't care at all about the price of corn can also game the system by overwhelming a market and driving the price in one direction. Remember $4 gas? Right now, finding out who is doing what in the over-the-counter derivatives market is as hard as determining who's controlling the drug trade.

Financial players in the derivatives market are hugely leveraged, sometimes as much as 400 times -- meaning they have very little of their own money actually in the game. Hundreds of trillions of dollars are traded in the derivatives market -- many times the size of the global GDP.

Having such massive amounts of money floating in the dark can lead to a system-wide seizure if investors' confidence in the scheme suddenly wanes. Reformers are pushing to have all derivatives put on exchanges similar to the New York Stock Exchange.

Such a reform would mean smaller profits for banks and would deprive them of a market that's remarkably easy to manipulate with enough money. But it wouldn't require much, if any, sacrifice from end users.

But that's not what they're being told by people they trust. "First we heard it with the large natural gas users, particularly the municipal systems. That was the first one. And then we've heard it from a number of other large players in the market, saying, 'You know, we're all for this reform. It's going to be good for everybody - but except for me.'"

Cota and others say the persuasion goes on under the radar -- from a trusted adviser to a longtime client.

"It's been targeted. Nothing in writing. Just personal calls. I've had to answer a few folks to explain what the scenario was and that it's going to cost them less because these derivatives have their credit built into them right now. They understand it once I explain it to them," he said. "So we have to defend ourselves against them within our own board of governors...My suspicion is it's happening all over."

Sen. Jon Tester (D-Mont.) said he's been lobbied by end users and has gotten the sense that Wall Street is behind what they're saying.

"They're going to use anybody they can to try to influence us," he told HuffPost, saying that he's in the unusual position of reverse lobbying. "I think, as with anything, it's going to be an education process."

In order to get a handle on the derivatives market, there have to be consequences for betting billions or trillion and losing, said Tester. But banks can use those potential consequences to frighten companies into opposing reform.

"It's clear we have to do some things to add more transparency and have some people get some skin in the game in this thing. And I'm sure that's exactly what they're going to tell their farmers and their businesspeople, that, 'You know, you're going to have to put money up front.' But the truth is, there has to be skin in the game on this or otherwise we're going to be in the same boat. And we don't want to have another situation like we had a year ago."

And yet, while banks tell their clients that reform means they'll have to put money down up front, what they don't often tell them is that same amount of money - sometimes more - is baked into the fees and costs they already pay brokers.

Sen. Maria Cantwell (D-Wash.), whose background in the business sector gives her an advantage in discussions with colleagues, is pushing to make sure there are no loopholes and that all derivatives are traded through an exchange.

Right now, she's working to educate the lobbyists themselves that reform is in their best interests. "There are people who have been around for a long time who saw how damaging a dark market can be to the price of their business. And while some people have made a lot of money off of it, others have suffered greatly.

"I think these individual users [being] used as a façade to push more loopholes instead of properly regulating this market is a mistake," she told HuffPost. "So we hope to bring some of them out to talk about why it's so important to actually have transparency."


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11:48 AM on 11/12/2009
The banksters have been tricking the little guy in to voting against the little guy's own best interest since 1980. Why should lobbying be any different?
09:11 AM on 11/12/2009
Apparently, people who know nothing fall for everything, quite independently of anything they stand for.

On a more serious note, it's clear what the problem here is: Trust in corporate businessmen. We should stop. If an individual works for an incorporated entity, regardless of what that entity is, they are directed by an organization whose sole reason for existing is not to provide service but to generate profit.

As such, any time an American deals with any business, at any time, they should just assume that everything the businessman says or does is said or done with the intent to screw them over for profit. That should allow us, as a people, to begin to establish a defense against corporate capitalism and its' unceasing attempts to destroy us in the name of profit.
09:28 AM on 11/12/2009
OK Indon let's not get carried away. I'm a financial advisor for a big firm working in middle America and I work my tail off every day to protect my clients from being hosed. It keeps me up at night, I promise you. There are many of us out there that will always put our clients first.

I have reached a moral crossroads in my career. On the one hand, I work for one of the largest Wall street firms (perceived by many as the enemy and understandably so) but if I'm not here giving honest guidance to my clients, I fear for their financial well-being.

We're not all bad.

PS - I am a progressive, full disclosure.
09:34 AM on 11/12/2009
Nobody is calling anyone bad. Sharks bite, that's their job, Indon is simply pointing out a common observation. B-schools teaches how to increase one's profit. Everything else is mostly lip-service.
01:38 PM on 11/12/2009
The problem isn't that 'You're all bad'. It's that the people who interact with you and those in your industry (or, really, most industries) have no way to tell who is good and who is bad.

Say you got canned tomorrow and all your accounts were given to Uncle Moneybags, a hypothetical crooked financier. Would any of your clients, at all, be able to judge that Uncle Moneybags is not dealing in good faith with them, until of course it's too late and he's taken them for some substantial amount?

Trust is supposed to represent an understanding, a _certainty_, that you will not be harmed by interacting with an individual. This certainty is utterly absent - thus, the trust is unwarranted.

And to reiterate, yours is by no means the only industry to which this applies.
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Bude
My Brain Hurts!
07:38 AM on 11/12/2009
If only they had been wearing their black hats.
06:29 AM on 11/12/2009
Mostly good, but 'Nothing intrinsically wrong with derivatives' - you've got to be F kidding me

Is there nothing wrong with fake financial instruments, traded in the dark, with no set rules, and NO ASSETS TO BACK THEM UP? geez, throw in that there is no guarantee of payment or proper settlement.

If common sense weren't enough, surely a fiasco such as AIG should demonstate the folly of having ANY CDSs and the like be legal. We're in the twilight zone
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white mende man
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02:03 AM on 11/12/2009
The health insurance companies have been tricking the public into lobbying for the health insurance companies against the interest of the public so what's strange about Wall Street taking a page from that play book? Capitalism has taken the form of extreme greed for the few and intolerant for the many.
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peterg76
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10:19 PM on 11/11/2009
Scare tactics are usually a recognition that they can't win just using the truth.
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Dreamwalker420
01:01 AM on 11/12/2009
The debate over derivatives has been void of truth since the definition of the word "is" is not "is."
10:10 PM on 11/11/2009
{Come on folks, don't get conned. When someone wants their activities to remain hidden you should definitely question it.
What happened to "if you have nothing to hide..."?]]

Two wars, trillions missing, Wall Street 's big heist and still nothing is being done about accountability.
Are the only ones being held accountable these days are the little guys who rob stores?
10:10 PM on 11/11/2009
{{It's hard not to get depressed by it, because "they" (big businesses who have the means to influence both government and a good portion of the citizenry) have nearly every advantage on their side - organization, money, a corporate structure which minimizes any moral objections to their actions (i.e., they have no problem with misleading or outright lying), and over the past decade they have also consolidated control over the mainstream media.]]

So how do we fight this? I ask this honestly because I don't know...}}

We can not fight one battle at a time. The root cause should be eliminated which imo is lobbysim.
So the rich gave us charities and non-profit in return for lobbying for the entire government.

Secondly a tax reform so nobody pays taxes up to an income of $25,000/ and then the tax rate is calculated as a tax to income ratio of 0.0001 for everybody with a cutoff point at 60% to ensure wealth distribution. Presently too few have too much money and hence power.
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Dreamwalker420
01:09 AM on 11/12/2009
Call your Senator and demand that they pass S604, an audit of the Federal Reserve. At the heart of all these problems is this:

The government can print it's own money and pay for products and services in the market place, thereby creating a money supply.

Instead, our government borrows money from a massive private bank called the Federal Reserve. It then uses that money in the market place ... but wait, there's an interest payment due on the debt! So it has to tax the market place to pay the interest to the private bank. Each year, the government borrows more and more money ... currently $13 trillion dollars on the credit card.

The interest alone on the debt is enough to provide for the changes in health care that the majority of American's want. But to stop borrowing from the privately held central bank would mean that the banking industry would have to derive profits from an alternative method or source!

No one in Congress is willing to take the punch bowl away from the bankers,mostly because the banks have been using those profits to lobby the representatives! A kickback for allowing the system to continue.

The banks then gambled away all the profits in complex derivatives and owe trillions of dollars to the Chinese, Japanese, Europeans, the Saudi's and a host of other countries. Under the TARP, tax payer dollars are being used to cover the losses of these gamblers.
Peabodies
We are the Many. They are the Few.
11:14 AM on 11/12/2009
Dreamwalker has a good suggestion (call Senatorsto pass S604 -- auditing the Fed). I pass along my answer to Chewmin "watch for the SCOTUS, soon, to enshrine the "personhood" status of corporations. As it is, this is not even legal. It was a footnote, in an obscure case from 1890 or so , not a legal decision. The more people know this, the less the Supreme Court will have the gall to weigh in in THAT disastrous direction. Pass it on!"
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Carolab
Just another hostage of the poopy heads
10:07 PM on 11/11/2009
Matt Taibbi reports that even though demand for oil is down so much we are closing refineries here, the price of crude is up 150% since the first of the year.

Commodities Casino Keeps Rolling

http://www.trueslant.com/matttaibbi
10:04 PM on 11/11/2009
{{Come on folks, don't get conned. When someone wants their activities to remain hidden you should definitely question it.
What happened to "if you have nothing to hide..."?]]

Two wars, trillions missing, Wall Street 's big heist and still nothing is being done about accountability.
Are the only ones being held accountable these days are the little guys who rob stores?
This is becoming more and more like England of yester years when a poor man was hung for stealing a piece of bread while rich went free for murders.
10:01 PM on 11/11/2009
PUT AN END TO BANKS' ARROGANCE

It's one thing to use derivatives to stabilize your purchase costs, it's another to make huge bets and loose tens of billions of dollars of other people's money.

This is quite elementary and nobody should be bamboozled.

An American Revolution is needed against these banking monsters. If America could beat Nazi Germany, it can also deal with these greedy and irresponsible banks.
10:00 PM on 11/11/2009
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Obama Administration W.ar on Math Continues...

In illinois where they reported more teacher jobs saved than actual employed teachers

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/education/chi-education-stimulus-04-nov04,0,4659134.story

They count a raise to government employees as jobs saved:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jMNoef6xDenBbHWO0Im6rIjDmAgAD9BOJH300

Stimulus job boost in Massachusetts exaggerated, review finds

http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2009/11/11/stimulus_fund_job_benefits_exaggerated_review_finds

In sacramento the sacramento bee reported that about 25% of jobs reported being saved were never in danger at all:

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/78464.html

More job numbers wildly exaggerated in wisconsin:

http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/69254347.html

And of course lets not forget Cash for Clunkers cost us $24,000 per car

http://money.cnn.com/2009/10/28/autos/clunkers_analysis/index.htm?section=money_topstories

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Hows that Keynesian Economics working for you guys. By the way other than Paul Krugman no self respecting economist had been advocating Keynesian economics since the 1970s(yes that bastion of economic prosperity that was the 70s)
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ProAmericanLobbyist
09:56 PM on 11/11/2009
restore Glass Steagall! Shut down the Casino Banking. If the Bank is betting on Wall Street. Shut them down.

Congress was paid to pay off Banks gambling debts to Wall Street.

Without Glass Steagall, this will happen again.

Why is Congress not restoring Glass Steagall?

Is Congress is on the take again?
Peabodies
We are the Many. They are the Few.
11:17 AM on 11/12/2009
right on, ProAmerican. Restore Glass Steagall. Repeal Leach Bliley (Phil Gramm's poisonous banking law). Imprison Phil Gramm, too.
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lyingtruth
A lie is something a voter can believe in!
09:39 PM on 11/11/2009
WS Banks have given a new and devious meaning to the traditional words; "Piggy Bank!"
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09:29 PM on 11/11/2009
Nothing new here. Rethugs trot out small business folk to argue against regulation of large business all the time. When the bill is passed or the election is over, they get kicked to the side again. The Dems do this to some extent with poor folk, but at least some of the time, the poor folk actually get some benefit from what they do.
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Dreamwalker420
01:10 AM on 11/12/2009
I would say that an equal amount of corrupt bankers are Democrats too.