Insane Deficit Commission Idea Gathers Momentum

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First Posted: 11-12-09 03:51 PM   |   Updated: 11-12-09 04:26 PM

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The deficits! Your Beltway media is sore afraid of them! But like a family who goes to live in a haunted house only to refuse to move out once the ancient demons that reside in the tool shed reveal themselves and announce their intention to eat their children in allegiance to Satan, they don't do much to account for the grandiose failures in judgment they have made that have sped the way to wrack and ruin.

You don't hear anyone ever talking about "bending the cost curve" of the Afghanistan War. And the idea that the taxpayers, having invested billions propping up a coven of incompetent banks, should receive the same sort of return on investment as a Warren Buffet is treated as if it sprang from the skull of an alien being. In this way, they enable members of Congress, who never take responsibility for the decisions they make that pave the way to potential deficit crises, to go right on making the same sorts of decisions.

And now, via The Hill, comes this:

Senators from both parties on Tuesday put new pressure on Speaker Nancy Pelosi to turn the power to trim entitlement benefits over to an independent commission.


Seven members of the Senate Budget Committee threatened during a Tuesday hearing to withhold their support for critical legislation to raise the debt ceiling if the bill calling for the creation of a bipartisan fiscal reform commission were not attached. Six others had previously made such threats, bringing the total to 13 senators drawing a hard line on the committee legislation.

And here's what the commission would do:

Among its chief responsibilities would be closing the gap between tax revenue coming in and the larger cost of paying for Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid benefits. The Government Accountability Office recently reported the gap is on pace to reach an "unsustainable" $63 trillion in 2083.


The panel would also have the power to craft legislation that would change the tax code and set limits on government spending.

The legislation would then be subject to an up-or-down vote; it could not be amended.

In other words, a group of senators have ginned up an idea to outsource their responsibility to some wondrous and new deficit-hawk commission in order to steal entitlement money to pay for their own foolish and profligate spending.

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By doing so, they limit their exposure to bad or unpopular legislative decisions, preserving their career longevity while vesting enormous power in a body over whom the American people have no oversight. And to get their way, they'll threaten to basically blow up the government.

Oh, and why are "Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid benefits" in this commission's crosshairs? Well, why try to get our money back from Citigroup when the elderly and the poor have so much more they can give?

The supporters of this crapulence are, not surprisingly, serial crapulence supporters: Senators Kent Conrad (D-N.D.), Judd Gregg (R-N.H.), Evan Bayh (D-Ind.), Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), Mark Warner (D-Va.), Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.), George Voinovich (R-Ohio) and Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.). They've gotten their talking points together, and are happy to repeat them robotically, for reporters:

You rarely do have the leverage to make a fundamental change," said Senate Budget Committee Chairman Kent Conrad (D-N.D.).


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"There are rare moments in this institution when you can implement fundamental change," Bayh said during Tuesday's hearing. "This is one of them."

So does this make Nancy Pelosi, who has "scoffed" at the idea, some sort of debt-hugging monster who wants to destroy the future, for the children? No. She just understands that there's this thing called the legislative process that shouldn't be thrown in the dustbin for the sake of allowing a group of unelected idiots with blue ribbons pinned to their chests to decide funding priorities without any means of holding them accountable for their decisions.

Back in February, The Nation's William Greider warned about the Coming Of The Deficit Commission:

Governing elites in Washington and Wall Street have devised a fiendishly clever "grand bargain" they want President Obama to embrace in the name of "fiscal responsibility." The government, they argue, having spent billions on bailing out the banks, can recover its costs by looting the Social Security system. They are also targeting Medicare and Medicaid. The pitch sounds preposterous to millions of ordinary working people anxious about their economic security and worried about their retirement years. But an impressive armada is lined up to push the idea--Washington's leading think tanks, the prestige media, tax-exempt foundations, skillful propagandists posing as economic experts and a self-righteous billionaire spending his fortune to save the nation from the elderly.


These players are promoting a tricky way to whack Social Security benefits, but to do it behind closed doors so the public cannot see what's happening or figure out which politicians to blame. The essential transaction would amount to misappropriating the trillions in Social Security taxes that workers have paid to finance their retirement benefits. This swindle is portrayed as "fiscal reform." In fact, it's the political equivalent of bait-and-switch fraud.

It's easy to see why lawmakers would cotton to this idea. They made a bunch of stupid decisions, which ran up the deficit. At some point, they're going to have to do something that's potentially difficult or unpopular to fix their mistakes. This puts their precious seats and the flow of sweet, sweet special interest money at risk. So if someone could provide them with a behind-closed-doors cabal that would solve their problems at the expense of the poor and the old, these senators could simply shrug and say, "Sorry, y'all! This is all beyond my control!" And they'll get what they want by throwing a tantrum, and threatening to do something stupid: forcing the Federal government to default on its debt.

Matt Yglesias rightly calls out these lawmakers for their "egomania, self-righteousness, irresponsibility, and cowardice":

Why not throw it back at this crew? Tell the Irresponsible Threat Caucus that instead of asking for a commission, they should just start calling themselves a "budget commission" and then they can specify their own proposed set of tax hikes and Medicare cuts.


Note that Senators Gregg, Bayh, Voinovich, and Sessions didn't have these concerns about the budget when voting to give hundreds of billions of dollars in tax cuts to the children of multi-millionaires. And I continue to await congressional support for making the war in Afghanistan deficit neutral.

And by the way, this craven crew isn't above putting the health and welfare of the American people at risk, to get their way:

Conrad signaled that he may likewise have run out of patience with the status quo, suggesting that if Democratic leaders refuse to couple a vote on a bipartisan fiscal task force of some kind with the debt limit increase, he would seek to attach a commission proposal to other crucial legislation.


"There are other vehicles," Conrad said Tuesday, "including healthcare."

It gets harder, with each passing day, to continue to pretend that adults are running this country. But you'd never know this from reading about them in the traditional media!

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The deficits! Your Beltway media is sore afraid of them! But like a family who goes to live in a haunted house only to refuse to move out once the ancient demons that reside in the tool shed reveal ...
The deficits! Your Beltway media is sore afraid of them! But like a family who goes to live in a haunted house only to refuse to move out once the ancient demons that reside in the tool shed reveal ...
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If the president decides to continue the war in Afghanistan with 40,000 more troops then we will have to reinstitute the draft and raise taxes (probably a stiff gasoline tax).

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 AM on 11/15/2009
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The neo-cons have always wanted to kill all the social safety nets our society has established in America. The haves are at war with the have-nots. Now they want to raid our social security and medicare/aid systems, that us workers have paid into during our working careers. We have faith that the American people will not let these greedy few break their social promise to the American people.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 PM on 11/14/2009
- billw8017 I'm a Fan of billw8017 32 fans permalink

I have mentioned elsewhere, the Polish Duma that so bound itself that it could not organize resistance to the 17th century partitions. And, the Venetian council that was subordinated to the Inquisition so it could not manage any affair and offered no resistance to Austrian takeover.

To rule, a representative body must tolerate dissent, dare to err, and get a little dirty from time to time. Systems mostly work because the personnel make them work. In a mercantile republic, legislators do tend to be corruptible. This is the form and the reason of commerce. Integrity is important but not automatic. Confining themselves to automatic virtues looks good but it takes away some power and flexibility. It undermines the democratic processes. This only LOOKS like a good thing until it's your ox gets gored.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 AM on 11/14/2009
- givesflack I'm a Fan of givesflack 17 fans permalink

There's all kind of economics in the US of A- oh yeh, there's war'enomics where money goes to badly chosen wars for false (daddy) wars for the wrong reasons, there's the military industrial war complexonomics which take most of ours and where plenty of treasure is instantly spent in amounts of 2/3 of the GDP, then there's the Paulson baliloutonomics where you have access to everyones money for (FED) all time including Social Security and medicare/caid for eternity determined by Bush senior and comp/etal., really really really ...bad economics where George Bush gives money to billionaires who don't need money but will take it anyway and deposit anywhere they lie/like and bringing down the surplus, formerly/ presently Reaganomics where money disappears somewhere trickledown style for those in the know forever too, and then there's republicanomics where money goes to bridges to Nowhere and to anything else but to the country because we have to drown the country in a bath tub of varying economics ruinous downsizing to Nowhere,

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:14 AM on 11/14/2009
- givesflack I'm a Fan of givesflack 17 fans permalink

and then there's the as_sholonomics where money is taken in the trillions (Wall Street) and deposited overseas and anywhere but here policy, then there's then the greedy demoncrat brats who want a cut'anomics, and there's the "me" only economics where you inherit your own money without paying anything by falsifying your taxes making it ok because as long as you are not giving any to government (US-bad) you're entitled to falsifying your taxes for teabagger (anti-teaparty) purposes, and then the rest of us who keep paying into the economics of this country including our men and woman have fought to preserve our country at the mercy of the economics of this beloved country. Amen, America, for putting up with the hypocricy based on hypocracry, a hypocracy fwe will fight for the remainder of our looming national doommmm

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:16 AM on 11/14/2009
- givesflack I'm a Fan of givesflack 17 fans permalink

Another repulsive effort to undo mankind ( ala America), those who signed up are in cahoots with BIG money and the INVISIBLE hand that controls life. Poor politics and poor people, weak society, and a good few who are in the money controllers aim to enslave us militarily, economically, politically, socially and ultimately individually until we succumb to the necessity of their evil and absolute rule. They chose this method beyond comprehension. Our everyday desires and the every day dream of ordinary life is constantly under threat. It's the money, many have fought against money but none have won. Regarding money we are losers to every ruinous rule, where we have no say, no input, and no demonstration, moneyed people rule. Our's is to live or die by life's true principle- man (animal) are unable to survive as a caged beast to powerful forces of greedy monetary existence and live in a world transformed by these idealists to ultimately control the world, a world different from what we know and has incredible potential due to all it's progress. Through evolution, philosophy, religion, and reason haven't we accumulated what's important and crucial to real life.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:00 AM on 11/14/2009
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Good heavens, child, give others a chance to speak too! Yes, you have good points, but dial it down a bit, eh?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 PM on 11/15/2009
- givesflack I'm a Fan of givesflack 17 fans permalink

the money, many have fought against money but none have won. Regarding money we are losers to every ruinous rule, where we have no say, no input, and no demonstration, moneyed people rule. Our's is to live or die by life's true principle- man (animal) are unable to survive as a caged beast to powerful forces of greedy monetary existence and live in a world transformed by these idealists to ultimately control the world, a world different from what we know and has incredible potential due to all it's progress. Through evolution, philosophy, religion, and reason haven't we accumulated what's important and crucial to real life. Are we are allowing money to be the final determination of our existence. Who brought that on and who is responsible and who is accountable. Will we allow ourselves to be led into a conformist culture where we aren't allowed our own lives amongst others and not known even to ourselves as well as oneself? Money is the enemy and those who profess it's ultimate duty to humanity as theirs and no else's are to blame.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:57 AM on 11/14/2009
- givesflack I'm a Fan of givesflack 17 fans permalink

Are we are allowing money to be the final determination of our existence. Who brought that on and who is responsible and who is accountable. Will we allow ourselves to be led into a conformist culture where we aren't allowed our own lives amongst others and not known even to ourselves as well as oneself? Money is the enemy and those who profess it's ultimate duty to humanity as theirs and no else's are to blame. So who is to blame but a 20th century fury to place blame on those who aren't the believers in the accumulation of wealth to determine the value of life based on that wealth about those who accumulate wealth unimpeded? We are transfixed by political ideals of sufferage without paying attention to protections against possible inherent infractions against all of humanity's ideals about everyone else's suffering. Does this amount to enslavement to those who understand how money is used against those who don't represent money or sufferage but will suffer as usual?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:04 AM on 11/14/2009
- billw8017 I'm a Fan of billw8017 32 fans permalink

Let me, for a moment, praise money. The alternatives are worse, usually barter after the habit of money, but a feudal kind of system based on the rule of strong men. Barter and "accounting" money are too complicated to support a society. Money, on the other hand, not only links production and wages to consumption and prices -- inspiring, rationing, and directing the productivity -- But, it makes possible fine distinctions: cheese for 17 cents more, supersize for a dollar, stuff like that.

Sure there are other principles: patriotism, integrity, charity. Obsess on money and these are challenged; after all, obsessions tend to be unhealthy. Perhaps, no system is absolutely reliable, but any system works because the people MAKE it work. That is, a deeper vision and a feeling of community, mere human decency are also necessary. This may not respond to legislation.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 AM on 11/15/2009
- billw8017 I'm a Fan of billw8017 32 fans permalink

I think givesflack is right to say, people have evolved, our lives should go more smoothly, and we should exercise our understanding. Highlights include agriculture and a leap of increased population. The increased population is the measure of the success.The mark of civilization was that bones became heavier, indicating the people were worked harder. Yet even 4000 years ago, the Eloquent Peasant spoke of the enlightened prince, saying better than personal aggrandizement, his honor would cause his name to live forever, the only kind of immortality available to mortal beings.

With civilization, we get commerce which was simplified and went from the diplomatic and military affairs of princes as precious metals became its measure. Some 25 centuries ago, the Lydians stamped prescribed quantities of gold and silver and invented coins. As I indicated elsewhere, this allowed finer distinctions and specialization. Time went on, life was not necessarily more pleasant, but it was succeeding in its own fashion.

The truly great innovation was mechanization and our energy based society. Productivity increased by 40x in England, the pioneer, and some of this wealth was shared, making them head and shoulders the richest common people in the world. People always over do it. We can't help ourselves, get one good idea and we ride it to the extreme and into its natural catastrophe.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 AM on 11/15/2009
- billw8017 I'm a Fan of billw8017 32 fans permalink

The painful fact about evolution is that it operates by deaths, the culling out of the losers. Real change can be an ugly experience. Industrial England was dirty and disease ridden. Adolescents could have their labor as children identified by the way the work had crippled them. We have solved some of those problems, but must face problems of our own.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 AM on 11/15/2009

Just redo the tax code
its too big
simplify it

it wont be easy but we just pas tax acts on taxacts and we create loopholes and loopholes

so just redo it federally and that wil help out every state as well

we may find away to pay for everything we need and want healthcare roads emergencys infrastucture
miliatary space exploration education and crime

we are a way way to rich of a nation to be having trillion dollar deficts(adding states as well)
for decades and decades

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:38 PM on 11/13/2009

Do your lousy job. Why else did we hire you?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 PM on 11/13/2009
- mizerello I'm a Fan of mizerello 34 fans permalink

They are weak and ineffective and frightened to do anything of substance because they might offend some of their voters and not get re-elected. They don't want to be responsible for cutting your grandma's medicare but are more than happy to have someone else do it They would rather do that than actually do some hard things to save it for us all---like maybe raising the amount that rich people pay social security on...unlike most of us, they don't pay social security taxes on much of their income--I think it's cut off at $90,000. In addition, if both social security and medicare were means tested, i.e., wealthy people wouldn't get them because they don't need social security and they can afford to pay for private insurance, neither of these programs would be in trouble. Finally, I find it interesting that they are looking at cutting these "entitlement programs," but I don't hear Bayh being concerned about the entitlement programs that benefit corporate farmers. Way more of my tax dollars have been given to corporate America and the military industrial complex than have ever been given to welfare, medicare and medicaid. But the poor don't make political contributions and they don't vote.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 PM on 11/13/2009
- JimR I'm a Fan of JimR 36 fans permalink

Yes! The only way to rein in an out-of-control bureaucracy is to create ANOTHER bureacracy!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 11/13/2009
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Basically they are saying that they can't handle the job. So fire them.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 11/13/2009
- BlueFloyd I'm a Fan of BlueFloyd 84 fans permalink
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fvk them

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 11/13/2009
- Poboy I'm a Fan of Poboy 21 fans permalink

Here is another and glaring example of our politicians asking voters to send them to Congress to take the tough vote and once they get there they do any and every thing to dodge the tough vote. Since they don't want to take the tough vote, like single payer, vote them out. There are no easy votes, especially for lifetime politicians who are only concerned about their own well being and not the well being of their constituents or country.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 AM on 11/13/2009
- vippy I'm a Fan of vippy 64 fans permalink

Yep, let us outsource congress. I bet we can find someone who recognizes the need of the people and will do a better job. Those in congress are overpaid, don't read what they vote on, and don't even show up most of the time. Let us outsource them to people who actually care!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 AM on 11/13/2009
- RadCenter I'm a Fan of RadCenter 25 fans permalink

I agree that this commission is a bad idea, but...entitlement spending dwarfs all other spending as a percentage of total federal government spending. The cuts must be made there.

Remember Ross Perot's flip charts? He's put some online at perotcharts.com that illustrate the problem. (The most relevant to this discussion are #12, 14, 19, and 25-31.)

At some point, reality needs to be faced. (I happen to think that now is not the time.) Social Security and Medicare were designed to be sustained solely through payroll taxes designated specifically for this purpose. The problem is, the design was actuarially flawed from the start, and increasing life expectancy and health care costs have magnified those flaws. No matter how creative Congress gets with the rest of the budget, using general revenues to rescue these programs is not the best policy.

I vote for eliminating the surviving-spouse benefit. It discriminates against unmarried Americans, especially women. Any other suggestions?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 AM on 11/13/2009
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