Iran Nuclear Plant 7 Years Old And "Too Small" For Power Purposes

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First Posted: 11-12-09 03:15 PM   |   Updated: 11-12-09 04:01 PM

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VIENNA (Associated Press) -- Iran's recently revealed uranium enrichment hall is a highly fortified underground space that appears too small to house a civilian nuclear program, but large enough to serve for military activities, diplomats told The Associated Press on Thursday.

Iran began building the facility near the holy city of Qom seven years ago, and after bouts of fitful construction could finish the project in a year, the diplomats said.

Both the construction timeline and the size of the facility - inspected last month by the International Atomic Energy Agency - are significant in helping shed light on Tehran's true nuclear intentions.

Iran says it wants to enrich only to make atomic fuel for energy production, but the West fears it could retool its program to churn out fissile warhead material.

One of the diplomats - a senior official from a European nation - said Thursday that the enrichment hall is too small to house the tens of thousands of centrifuges needed for peaceful industrial nuclear enrichment, but is the right size to contain the few thousand advanced machines that could generate the amount of weapons-grade uranium needed to make nuclear warheads.

The pauses in construction may reflect Tehran's determination to keep its activities secret as far back as 2002, when Iran's clandestine nuclear program was revealed.

Citing satellite imagery, the diplomats said Iran started building the plant in 2002, paused for two years in 2004 - the same year it suspended enrichment on an international demand - and resumed construction in 2006, when enrichment was also restarted.
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Since then, Iran has defied three sets of U.N. Security Council sanctions aimed at forcing it to again freeze uranium enrichment.

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All of the diplomats have access to information compiled by the IAEA, and demanded anonymity in exchange for discussing confidential matters with the AP.

Iran informed the IAEA only in September that it was building the facility near Qom, leading the U.S., British and French leaders to denounce Tehran for keeping its existence secret. IAEA inspectors visited the plant last month.

Iran says it fulfilled its legal obligations over when it revealed the plant's construction, though IAEA chief Mohamed ElBaradei has said Tehran was "outside the law" and should have informed his agency when the decision to construct was made.

Western officials suspicious of Tehran's nuclear program believe the Islamic Republic only decided to inform the IAEA after it became convinced that the plant's existence had been noted by foreign intelligence services.

The Qom facility is the second known Iranian plant designed for enrichment. The first facility at Natanz, revealed by Iranian dissidents in 2002, has since grown to house around 9,000 centrifuges and has churned enough low-enriched uranium to turn into material for one or two nuclear warheads.

Low-enriched material is suitable for what Iran says will be a nationwide nuclear power grid. But that stockpile can be enriched further to weapons grade warhead material.

After years of expansion, the Natanz program, which relies on antiquated centrifuges based on black market imports, appears to be running into problems associated with increasing the number of operating centrifuges.

The senior diplomat said Iran was only using about 5,000 of the centrifuges set up at Natanz which were turning out about 80 kilograms - less than 200 pounds - of low-enriched uranium a month. That, he said, amounted to roughly the same output using the same number of machines as in September, when the IAEA last reported on Iran to its 35 board member nations.

He said breakdowns and maintenance of the old centrifuges appeared to account for the stagnation. In contrast, the facility near Qom appears designed to shelter fewer but more modern models configured to churn out more enriched material faster.

International hopes that Iran was ready for at least a partial concession on enrichment were raised after Tehran signaled in early October it was ready to send most of its enriched Natanz stockpile abroad to be turned into metal fuel for its small research reactor. Tehran would have needed at least a year to produce enough new material to replace what it shipped out, thereby delaying its ability to produce weapons-grade uranium should it have chosen to do so.

Since then, however, Iranian officials have overwhelmingly - if unofficially - rejected exporting most of their enriched uranium.

The senior diplomat said nuclear negotiators from the U.S., Russia, China, Britain, France and Germany - the six nations trying to entice Tehran into enrichment concessions - planned to meet next week to discuss further strategy, including the possible threat of new U.N. sanctions on Tehran for its nuclear defiance.

VIENNA (Associated Press) -- Iran's recently revealed uranium enrichment hall is a highly fortified underground space that appears too small to house a civilian nuclear program, but large enough to se...
VIENNA (Associated Press) -- Iran's recently revealed uranium enrichment hall is a highly fortified underground space that appears too small to house a civilian nuclear program, but large enough to se...
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- JerryAguy I'm a Fan of JerryAguy 2 fans permalink
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These guys feel that they have nothing t fear from us. Whats going to happen when they have a nuke that can hit Israel? They've said they want to wipe them off the earth, are they lying? This will be the place where the next nuclear war takes place and we better be ready to deal with the domino chain that will be set off by that event. I don't see anything being taken seriously in this and see very little media reporting about what were dealing with, or not dealing with.
I must say the last few months have certainly changed my feelings on what the Government is doing and where it's priorities really are being focused on.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:04 PM on 11/13/2009
- BiBiJan I'm a Fan of BiBiJan 8 fans permalink

Yup! Better believe it. Ahmadinejad in 2005 (1) promised to wipe Israel off the map. Mossad, not known for underestimating, thinks Iran will have a bomb in 2014 (2).

Another words, Ahmadinejad has publicly gauded Israel to nuke Iran, or else Iran will nuke Israel soon after 2014, when he will be out of office.

What part of this do you suppose people find too far fetched.

(1) http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/30/weekinreview/30iran.html?_r=1&ex=1161230400&en=26f07fc5b7543417&ei=5070

(2) http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/06/17/Mossad-head-Iran-will-have-bomb-by-2014/UPI-87651245237586/

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 PM on 11/13/2009
- BiBiJan I'm a Fan of BiBiJan 8 fans permalink

I know this is from a 'named' source who happens to a head an agency with access and the technical competence to pass judgment. I know this might go against the grain -- establishment media prefers we are informed about what an unnamed nontechnical person's gut feelings are, but still ...

"United Nations inspectors found "nothing to be worried about" in a first look at a previously secret uranium enrichment site in Iran last month, the International Atomic Energy chief said in remarks released Thursday. "

http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1126198.html

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 AM on 11/13/2009
- wwoody I'm a Fan of wwoody 15 fans permalink
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I have heard those words before " DON'T WORRY, THERE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT". My First SGT. Said those same words that was 41 years old ,.then next morning...hell broke lose. Tet offensive.
I don't trust anyone who says.....DON'T WORRY. That when you worry.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 PM on 11/13/2009
- BiBiJan I'm a Fan of BiBiJan 8 fans permalink

O.K. This statement from Sep 17th did not contain the phrase "don't worry".

"With respect to a recent media report, the IAEA reiterates that it has no concrete proof that there is or has been a nuclear weapon programme in Iran."
http://www.iaea.org/NewsCenter/MediaAdvisory/2009/MA200919.html

I know, I know. Worry anyway.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 PM on 11/13/2009
- mazzetta I'm a Fan of mazzetta 8 fans permalink
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I think that news citing "diplomats told The Associated Press on Thursday" are intimately bogus

it's important in this case to know where this "diplomats" are for, e.g. they are israeli or US diplomats people could think to the ritual bogus spin on Iran we saw constantly thru this years

anonymous sources in this case should be silenced, we have the experience of well identifies people lying blatantly on this kind of issues s in the case of Iraq's WMD, so I think honest media organizations should not consider "news" this kind of anonymous fingerpointing

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 AM on 11/13/2009
- Macready I'm a Fan of Macready 60 fans permalink

well said mazzetta . . . and I don't know about you . . I am tired of reading about Iran's nuclear facilities . . I want to read about israel's . . . I want to see israel declare its nuclear arsenal we all know it is there . . . with about 200-250 nuclear warheads .. . and I want to see israel sign the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty (Iran did years ago) and have the UN in to inspect israel's nuclear arsenal

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 AM on 11/13/2009
- CigarGod I'm a Fan of CigarGod 105 fans permalink
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Exactly right!

You'd think Israel would want to distance themselves from the other non-NPT nations: N. Korea, Pakistan and India.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 AM on 11/13/2009
- Wozzeck I'm a Fan of Wozzeck 20 fans permalink
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And what would the unnamed diplomats have said if the hall was large? That would have been a provocation for some other reason. SOS.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 AM on 11/13/2009
- skialethia I'm a Fan of skialethia 125 fans permalink
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We can't go to war with Iran until we bring back the draft! Then send Republicans and Democrats who snubbed Goldstones report to the front lines!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 AM on 11/13/2009
- Aarky I'm a Fan of Aarky 5 fans permalink

So we have one unnamed diplomat from Europe stating that the new Iranian site would be suitable for military use. I would guess that it is an Israeli ambassador to France or another Israeli propagandist who is more than willing to stir the pot and try to get everyone excited. Remember that we knew about the site for at least two years before the Iranians released the information. We do have satellites that tell the color of your eyes if you look up so we know what they were doing. It's one more case of, "The Sky is Falling, so lets bomb Iran"

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 PM on 11/12/2009
- wwoody I'm a Fan of wwoody 15 fans permalink
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The question should be our we willing to start a war if they (Iran) is not willing to stop nuclear enrichment . The threat of sanction is not going to be reach its goal.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 PM on 11/12/2009
- Wozzeck I'm a Fan of Wozzeck 20 fans permalink
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Iran is entitled to enrich uranium under the NNPT which the US signed.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 AM on 11/13/2009
- LAThinker I'm a Fan of LAThinker 16 fans permalink

Military option should be on the table

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 AM on 11/13/2009
- BiBiJan I'm a Fan of BiBiJan 8 fans permalink

If the table itself is in hock, does it matter what is on it?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:39 AM on 11/13/2009
- CigarGod I'm a Fan of CigarGod 105 fans permalink
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Miltary option to address what illegality?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 AM on 11/13/2009
- Inoku I'm a Fan of Inoku 5 fans permalink

Anyone who is at all surprised by this needs a smack in the back of the head. The Iranians have wanted nuclear weapons for some time.

So, is anyone going to do anything about it, or will the entire western world sit on its hands and keep mum about a fundamentalist Islamic state with numerous enemies in the region getting nuclear weapons?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 PM on 11/12/2009
- brady61995 I'm a Fan of brady61995 41 fans permalink
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nobody will do a thing. u.s. needs to stay out of it. let china and russia and eu handle its , its thier neck of the woods

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 PM on 11/12/2009
- billhodges I'm a Fan of billhodges 208 fans permalink
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Really, so you feel Iran has no impact on our stability. How do you come to that conclusion?

Iran should not be allowed to have the ability to produce Nuclear fuel that could be used in warheads and more troubling to me, used in a small but effective dirty bomb by terrorist.

They will attack Israel first and not only be killing Jews but Muslims in the surrounding areas.

It is amazing to me that some people are so narrow minded that they will justify Iran's hostile actions just to be PC.

As for a Draft, that should never have been stopped. Every American physically and mentally able to serve should. It is good for the country and the individuals. There are many areas out of combat for those that true pacifist where their service would be beneficial.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:20 AM on 11/13/2009
- brady61995 I'm a Fan of brady61995 41 fans permalink
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to billhodges what i was saying is the u.s. is a country not world police. neighboring countries will not benifit if iran were use nuclear wepons, it would cause the worlds economy to colapse and as long as they depend on us dollars and soldiers to solve their problems we will never advance in our own country

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:15 AM on 11/13/2009
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The technology for the creation of nuclear weapons is over 60 years old. Iran has been two to three years away from producing a nuclear weapon for two decades now. Iran is one of the following:

1) Stupid
2) Lazy
3) Not as intent on building nuclear weapons as many seem to assume

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 AM on 11/13/2009
- Inoku I'm a Fan of Inoku 5 fans permalink

Just because a technology is old doesn't mean that everyone has the capacity to use the resources they have in a way that enables them to use that technology.

For example: during the Cold War, Soviet scientists tried to reverse engineer American planes to achieve the same speed, but they couldn't. They had all the plans and technical aspects of the plane, but they didn't have the same technologies available to make harder, lighter, faster steel as the Americans. So they could make outwardly identical planes, but they were still slower and less fuel-efficient.

Iran may have tons of uranium, but if they don't have efficient centrifuges, they still need to wait to get the level of enrichment desired for nuclear weapons.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:18 PM on 11/13/2009
- Khirad I'm a Fan of Khirad 261 fans permalink
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I don't even know where to start...

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 PM on 11/12/2009
- CigarGod I'm a Fan of CigarGod 105 fans permalink
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Sometimes I just shake my head and try not to spill my coffee.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 AM on 11/13/2009
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Thanks Bush

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 PM on 11/12/2009
- LAThinker I'm a Fan of LAThinker 16 fans permalink

Yes agree his stupid policies strengthen Iran

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 AM on 11/13/2009
- billhodges I'm a Fan of billhodges 208 fans permalink
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Really and what would you have done differently that would have made things better?

A serious question that deserves a serious answer.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:21 AM on 11/13/2009

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