Utah Becomes A Battleground In The GOP's Civil War

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First Posted: 11-13-09 11:49 PM   |   Updated: 11-13-09 11:55 PM

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Robert Bennett

Los Angeles Times:

Utah has emerged as an improbable battleground in the fight for the future of the GOP, as the party's veteran U.S. senator -- with nary a whiff of personal or political scandal -- has become one of the most threatened lawmakers up for reelection next year.

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Utah has emerged as an improbable battleground in the fight for the future of the GOP, as the party's veteran U.S. senator -- with nary a whiff of personal or political scandal -- has become one of th...
Utah has emerged as an improbable battleground in the fight for the future of the GOP, as the party's veteran U.S. senator -- with nary a whiff of personal or political scandal -- has become one of th...
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Buryingground would be preferred

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 AM on 11/17/2009



"Morality and Ethics" the mainstay of the new conservative GOP is nothing more than smoke and mirrors.
Example, the ludicrous candidate Cherilyn Eagar, who has neither.
This woman has been married multiple times, with allegations of very unseemly behavior leveled at her.
Because of her multiple divorces, she has numerous names from which to choose to run for office.
It seems fairly obvious why she chose to run as Cherilyn Eagar and not as Cherilyn Gulbrandsen.
Under her previous name of Cherilyn Gulbrandsen she was charged and fined for voter fraud in the state of Connecticut.
Don't take my word for this, do a quick search for yourself. It's all part of the public record.

Morality and Ethics? Where?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 PM on 11/15/2009

http://www.gwu.edu/~action/states/ctdet.htm

Cherilyn was at one time the national press secretary for Pat Buchanan running for president. One of the problems with 3rd party, is you don't just show up on the ballot. Based on what you posted, there was not any question that she was behind anything done wrong, only following what she was told.
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A lifelong Republican, she has also had brief, top-level, “third party” experience when she helped Patrick Buchanan in his bid for the presidency. During that time, she became the National Press Secretary for the Reform Party. She is now a strong advocate for working within the existing two party-system to affect change. Eagar has stated she believes the Republican Party has drifted too far from correct principles of government in practice.
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    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 AM on 11/20/2009
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Pat Buchanan is an avowed Holocaust denier and an anti-Semite.

Hey, is that you Randy? Just wondering..

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 AM on 11/20/2009
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You wrote "Based on what you posted, there was not any question that she was behind anything wrong, only following what she was told".

That "I was only following orders" defense has never worked very well.

People who are unable to distinguish between right and wrong shouldn't be calling themselves "real Americans" and they shouldn't be running for public office.

You also wrote, "You don't just show up on the ballot".

And you don't knowingly submit falsified petitions in order to get your candidate on the ballot. That's what the Connecticut State Elections Enforcement Commission told Gulbrandsen (Eagar) when they fined her $6000. So the claim that she didn't do anything wrong doesn't exactly cut it, right?

It doesn't surprise me that someone who appears on the campaign trail alongside "Joe the Plumber" would have a record of misbehavior in prior campaigns.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 AM on 11/21/2009
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A voter fraud conviction doesn't sound like "morality and ethics", does it?

I'm sure Bob Bennett will see to it that Utah voters are aware of her checkered past.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 AM on 11/20/2009

"multiple divorces" ?

Try again. She was married for almost 30 years when then marriage fell apart. She later married Eagar.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:39 PM on 11/20/2009

You are either a puppet for Bob Bennett or an angered individual who doesn't enjoy Cherilyn's politics. Argue her anti-gay marriage stance (which I disagree with), or her fiscal and social conservatism (most of which I disagree with). But you are blatantly, and fallaciously discrediting an individual who has proven her entire life to be a good person focused on those that she loves the most.

I'm not even a supporter, but I am a lifelong friend who will stick up for her when an individual decides to use silly and immature tactics, trying to scare others with distortion and baseless accusations.

Multiple marriages? She was married for almost 30 years and as happens to more than half of Americans, it fell apart. What kind of things are you trying to stir? This woman has children who are surely affected by your baseless and empty innuendo. She is now married to Randy Eagar, that is her legal name, and that is the name she chooses to use in her run for public office. When she divorced, she legally became Cherilyn Bacon, so this is not simply a function of her senate campaign--it is congruent with her past behavior.

You are, frankly, trying to stir a pot and in the end will come up empty, and luckily (although unfortunately) will maintain your anonymity. If you wish to bring Ms. Eagar down, do so with logic, reason, and political debate, not mud-slinging on her married name.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 PM on 11/22/2009

"Morality and Ethics" the mainstay of the new conservative GOP is nothing more than smoke and mirrors.
Example, the ludicrous candidate Cherilyn Eagar, who has neither.
This woman has been married multiple times, with allegations of very unseemly behavior leveled at her.
Because of her multiple divorces, she has numerous names from which to choose to run for office.
It seems fairly obvious why she chose to run as Cherilyn Eagar and not as Cherilyn Gulbrandsen.
Under her previous name of Cherilyn Gulbrandson she was charged and fined for voter fraud in the state of Connecticut.
Don't take my word for this, do a quick search for yourself. It's all part of the public record.

Morality and Ethics? Where?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 PM on 11/15/2009

She is running under Eagar because that is her married name. Her husband is Randy Eagar.

She has made no secret that this is not her first marriage, nor what that name was.
She also has used her maiden name.

At her candidacy announcement in June:
"I’m a real person. I’ve faced joy and sorrow, success and failure. I’ve made some brilliant choices and some poor ones. I’ve been a single mom, and I know the struggle. "

Ethics? She was working for Pat Buchanan running for president, trying to get him on the ballot of one state. There is no press that would back up what you say, only that Buchanan didn't dot all his "i" s in one state.
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A lifelong Republican, she has also had brief, top-level, “third party” experience when she helped Patrick Buchanan in his bid for the presidency. During that time, she became the National Press Secretary for the Reform Party. She is now a strong advocate for working within the existing two party-system to affect change. Eagar has stated she believes the Republican Party has drifted too far from correct principles of government in practice.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 AM on 11/20/2009
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Ethics?

There is a persistent rumor that Eagar's husband misused a database of Realtor names (including individuals outside Utah) and their contact information in an effort to solicit money for Cherilyn's campaign. Quite a few of the Realtors who received emails asking for money wound up complaining to the National Association of Realtors. Some of those who complained are gays and lesbians who find Eagar's homophobia offensive.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 AM on 11/20/2009
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"Eagar and others, boosted by the conservative Club for Growth, cite Bennett's extended time in Washington and criticize his willingness to work with Democrats on issues such as healthcare reform and the Wall Street rescue approved amid last year's financial crisis."

This is how you can tell that all the "reform" talk within the GOP is just corporate-sponsored BS to bring the party even further under the control of big business; if it was representative of the People's interests, the criticism would be for Boehner, Cantor and conservadems for opposing everything and having nothing of value of their own to add to health care reform or financial reform legislation.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 AM on 11/15/2009
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Since this is in Utah what is Larry Craig's stance on the 'war'?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 AM on 11/15/2009

Craig is from Idaho, not Utah.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 AM on 11/15/2009
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If Craig is from southern and middle Idaho, it makes no difference­....Mormon­s own those areas. More's the pity. Backwards and neo cons

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 AM on 11/15/2009
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well todays zenzorship here at this site is still scrubbing out most views pretty well.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:44 AM on 11/15/2009
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Remember the Chinese curse, May you live in interesting times?

What is happening inside the GOP is very interesting, but also very dangerous. What if the radical fringe, the real RINOs, succeeds in kicking all of the traditional Republicans out of the party?

No one thought that Hitler needed to be taken seriously either, but look how that turned out.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:15 AM on 11/15/2009
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Utah is Romney country. The attack on Bennett could be seen as an effort to undermine Romney.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:54 AM on 11/15/2009
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I would consider that a mighty big stretch.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 AM on 11/15/2009
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We tend to mock conspiracy theorists just as if partisans never held meetings and plotted strategies. It's not paranoid if you have real enemies.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 11/15/2009
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Bennett would be a target of opportunity, but like Romney, he gets power by the support of the Latter Day Saints. Attacking Bennett would at least distract the church and bring it to the attention of the right wing Christians, and, as I say, might tend to undermine Romney in the early primaries.

Strategists will stretch and exploit subliminals.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 PM on 11/15/2009

Senator Reid from Nevada is LDS/Mormon.

The democrat running against Bob Bennett is LDS/Mormon.

See:
http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/public-issues/political-neutrality

The Church does not:

* Endorse, promote or oppose political parties, candidates or platforms.
* Allow its church buildings, membership lists or other resources to be used for partisan political purposes.
* Attempt to direct its members as to which candidate or party they should give their votes to. This policy applies whether or not a candidate for office is a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
* Attempt to direct or dictate to a government leader.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 AM on 11/20/2009
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"You can't make up states' names. UTAH...."

- Joey Tribbiani

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 AM on 11/15/2009
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If Bennett get Scozzafavad, then every seat is up for grabs. This guy's as conservative as they get. The Mormon Church will never let it happen.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 AM on 11/15/2009

In March of this year Senator Bob Bennett was rated one of the ten most liberal Republicans in the Senate by Human Events based on the American Conservative Union Ratings for 2008. Why Bennett would pay money to convince voters he is Conservative is beyond me.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 AM on 11/20/2009
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Who knew we still had republicans not crazy enough to be "real" republicans!

Regards

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 AM on 11/15/2009
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Sorry, Bob, but it's a little hard to represent people if you don't read their letters or have the decency to respond.

It's time for all incumbents to find another job. Making license plates would be good for most of them.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 PM on 11/14/2009
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If Utah gets NY-23rded, party at my place!!!!!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 PM on 11/14/2009
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Did some extra digging on those numbers last week. In races for lower offices, including state legislatures and mayors, it gets worse. Republicans rolled to easy double digit victories in the Virginia Attorney General and Lt. Governor races. In the Lt. Governor’s race, Bill Bolling, who won by just 1 percent in 2005, won by 12 points. Republicans gained 6 seats in the State Assembly, giving them a 61-37-2 majority. Republicans gained a seat in the NewJersey House. Republicans took control of the Pennsylvania Supreme Court and won 6of7 statewide races in the Keystone State. Republicans gained in the heavily populated NYC suburbs, taking control of both Westchester County and Nassau County for the first time in a decade. They even gained a couple seats on the NYC Council (in addition to the re-election of Republican Mayor Bloomberg). In Michigan, in a special election for a state senate seat that had gone Democratic by 61-39 when it was last up in 2006, the Republican flipped the landslide around and won 61-36. Republicans also flipped a New Hampshire state house seat in a special election.

Add this to the flood of elected Texas Democrat officials switching party affiliation and and you get the makings of what some might call a negative trend.

Of course, that’s not what Nancy Pelosi calls it. She calls it a victory.

If this is victory, let’s pray that Obama doesn’t consult with Pelosi on Afghanistan strategy.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 PM on 11/14/2009
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Yes, Bloomberg got re-elected, but he resigned from the Republican Party before the election.

In the only two races for national office, the Dems won both.

If this is defeat, ... blah, blah, blah.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:07 AM on 11/15/2009

Bennett is about as conservative as you can get without becoming Attila the Hun in Utah. These cretins from the conservative nutcake camp are simply wasting their time and their money.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 PM on 11/14/2009
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And putting the nation in danger.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:17 AM on 11/15/2009

In March of this year Senator Bob Bennett was rated one of the ten most liberal Republicans in the Senate by Human Events based on the American Conservative Union Ratings for 2008. Why Bennett would pay money to convince voters he is Conservative is beyond me.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 AM on 11/20/2009
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