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VENICE, Italy — A dozen gondolas snaked down the Grand Canal on Saturday in a mock funeral procession bemoaning Venice's approach to the dreaded status of living museum, with a population now below 60,000.

While the largely symbolic threshold is considered by some to signal the end of the city's viability, Venetian officials say reports of Venice's demise are premature, and even Saturday's somber funeral ended with a surprise, bright hope for rebirth.

In fact, while native Venetians have been fleeing the expensive lagoon city for cheaper and easier living on the mainland, the population of the historic center was officially 60,025 as of Thursday, up from the 59,992 it had fallen to in recent weeks.

"They will have the funeral in a living village, not yet dead. And it won't die, even if it goes to 59,999," Mara Rumiz, the city official in charge of demographics, said in a telephone interview Friday.

She said the numbers don't take into account the inhabitants of Venice's islands – including glassmaking Murano and the Lido beach – nor the many who are not officially registered, including students. Together, they add another 120,000 souls.

But Venice must still resist becoming merely a tourist destination, Rumiz said.

"It is evident that Venice has to safeguard its residents and attract new inhabitants. If not, we risk that Venice becomes only a tourist mecca, and this is a destiny that we don't want," Rumiz said.

While wandering the narrow alleys and waterways of Venice is a tourist's delight, life in Venice is for the hardy and financially resilient.

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Housing costs and rents drop to as much as a third in the nearby city of Marghera. And consider the logistics of an everyday errand like grocery shopping. One would likely need a water taxi ride to a supermarket, another to get home with the groceries, and then with few elevators in residential buildings, there is a heavy load to lug upstairs. Historic Venice does not permit the comfort of a car parked outside the door.

Yet as if to echo Rumiz's optimism about Venice's fate, Saturday's mock funeral ended with an unexpected bright look to the future.

The ceremony kicked off with an aquatic procession of gondolas – led by a pink one carrying a flower-draped coffin – down the inverted S-shaped canal. The boats docked in front of Ca' Farsetti, the palazzo housing Venice's City Hall, where hundreds of Venetians joined the procession.

But after a black-caped actor read poetry in Venetian dialect bemoaning the problems of life in the lagoon city, the funeral's "pallbearers" smashed open the coffin and pulled out a flag of La Fenice – phoenix in Italian – the mythical winged creature that rises from ashes and is a symbol of rebirth.

The significance of the phoenix is particularly acute for Venetians, since their own La Fenice opera house rose from its own ashes and reopened in 2003 after being destroyed by a fire set by electricians in 1996.

After the surprise ending, participants uncorked sparkling wine to toast Venice's rebirth and hope for the future.

Venetians themselves would like to see more money put toward retaining natives, and are critical of such projects as the new Calatrava Bridge over the Grand Canal. Building the bridge, designed by the Spanish architect Santiago Calatrava, ran well over projected costs while doing little to ease the lives of average Venetians.

"People go to live where you don't have to spend too much," city resident Alberto Gallo said. "Many would like to remain, but they can't."

The city's population declined by a steep 100,000 from the 1950s to the 1980s, making today's fluctuations minimal by comparison.

"In all, fewer people are leaving than those who are arriving," Rumiz said, but "fewer children are being born in respect to the people who die."

"What is changing is the social base of Venice," she said, explaining that most of the people who are leaving are older while those arriving are "more educated and with better skills."

But who is a Venetian, really? Genetically, a National Geographic Study being conducted by experts from the Worcester Polytechnic Institute in Massachusetts intend to find out.

They took advantage of Saturday's "funeral" to take saliva swabs to determine where most of the natives of Veneto – the larger region of which Venice is the capital – came from, northern Europe or lands around the Caspian Sea.

"It will be an opportunity to find a few Venetians," said Gallo, who is helping to organize the study.

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Associated Press Writer Colleen Barry reported from Milan.

VENICE, Italy — A dozen gondolas snaked down the Grand Canal on Saturday in a mock funeral procession bemoaning Venice's approach to the dreaded status of living museum, with a population now be...
VENICE, Italy — A dozen gondolas snaked down the Grand Canal on Saturday in a mock funeral procession bemoaning Venice's approach to the dreaded status of living museum, with a population now be...
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It was distressing for me to see the Carnival Cruise Line there. It is out of place, in my view and detracted a lot from the local ambience.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 AM on 11/19/2009

Funny you should say that. Not 5 km away from Venice, in Porto Marghera on the mainland, there is an enormous industrial shipyard that builds nothing but cruise ships, including Carnival Cruise liners and Cunard liners. So, you see, freakishly large cruise ships are now as authentically Venetian as Murano glass and carnival masks!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 AM on 11/20/2009
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Incredibile!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 AM on 11/20/2009

Darwin had it right all along "Adapt or Die"

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 AM on 11/17/2009
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Depending on where you live in Venice, you can shop for anything you need nearby. And if you have to take a water-taxi, it beats driving the freeways.

In my experience, renting an old, elegant flat in Venice is less expensive than renting in New York, San Francisco or Tokyo; restaurant fare is better and necessity-shopping is cheaper.

Esthetically, Venice, dying as it may be, is nonpareil. And where aren't cities dying, as they turn their backs on global warming which is becoming deadlier ever day?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 11/16/2009
- the964kid I'm a Fan of the964kid 61 fans permalink
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I love Italy, especially Rome and Venice. I've been to Italy more then a dozen times, and Venice is a one of a kind place to visit. I was there last during the 2006 World Cup - very exciting. Unfortunately for Venice locals, the prices, for just about anything, are far too high, and the daily effort to get around is too much. It's perfect for a week, but after that the charm of walking around those winding narrow streets would wear off. In the peak tourist season the place is over run by foreigners, so I suggest anybody who wants to visit go in the off season, when it's surprisingly quiet and you will have the place mostly to yourself.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:51 PM on 11/15/2009
- gopirate I'm a Fan of gopirate 3 fans permalink

I was there in January and I considered it packed then. Can't imagine how it would be during summer.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 PM on 11/15/2009
- the964kid I'm a Fan of the964kid 61 fans permalink
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You'd want to get out of there...

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 AM on 11/16/2009
- alarmbell I'm a Fan of alarmbell 4 fans permalink

I visited Venice about 5 years ago, and we all felt it was like Disneyworld. All tourists, the only locals I saw were the shopkeepers. Every single person there had on sneakers, a white T-shirt and a fanny pack, and carrying shopping bags. The glassmaking island was interesting, but after the "free" tour, you are led into a huge glass gift shop through which you must wander through to exit, sort of like the gift shops at Disneyworld. I kept hearing about the spectacular local food, but it was so geared toward tourists, that I felt the food at a nondescript restaurant on the mainland was far better. I loved italy, but the other cities were so much more worth it.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 11/15/2009
- the964kid I'm a Fan of the964kid 61 fans permalink
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You just have to go in the off season.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:53 PM on 11/15/2009
- UncleJimbo I'm a Fan of UncleJimbo 176 fans permalink
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I Love Italy.....But Venice is a damp moldy Theme Park and a way over-priced one at that....Gondola Ride....As much as your flight over!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 11/15/2009
- Ramirez I'm a Fan of Ramirez 260 fans permalink
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Italy's birthrate has cratered and it is well below the replacement rate. This problem is not unique to Italy and in fact it is affecting all of Europe. This has changed the entire nature of Europe and many native european demographics (Dutch, Spanish, Italian, Greek, etc) could be virtually gone within two more generations.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 PM on 11/15/2009
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>...many native european demographics (Dutch, Spanish, Italian, Greek, etc) could be virtually gone within two more generations.

[citation needed]

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:23 PM on 11/15/2009

Several years ago when I lived in Germany the birth rate was so low they were paying families to have children. I saw more dog owners than parents. Also, since the Berlin Wall sent down there was a huge population on welfare because those people weren't use to supporting themselves.

In the mid-90s Germany kicked out their refugees, saying they couldn't afford to keep them. I don't get it because they were working every day. Could it be because they wanted to get people off the welfare rolls and give them those jobs? Hmmm...

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 PM on 11/15/2009
- brahdog I'm a Fan of brahdog 15 fans permalink
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the only thing consistent in life is change. long-term, venice is doomed. true story.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 AM on 11/15/2009

so visit before it goes away! Never mind how many tourists there are; read about its history, then go inspect the wonderful and unique art and architecture.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 PM on 11/15/2009

And maybe even move there!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:20 PM on 11/15/2009
- Amalek I'm a Fan of Amalek 101 fans permalink
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Many of the world's most interesting places are losing their status as living cities as tourists take over. Two examples I can give:

Beijing: The road that ends at the front gate of Tiananmen Square was once a busy lane, packed with an eclectic range of shops in historic buildings as well as ragtag, illegal add-on constructions. It had a buzz and a life that was part of the past and part of the present. Go there today and you have a mile of walking street, the building's facades cleaned up and conformed, with a tram and benches and nice lights. Perhaps the nicest Starbucks in the world overlooks Qianmen, the front gate. A friend who rediscovered the renovated street exclaimed to me "its just like going to Epcot". And he is right.

Dubrovnik: This amazing city in Croatia across the Adriatic from Italy was nearly destroyed in the Balkan war. Many buildings were destroyed and remain uninhabitable. But the facades are fully repaired, and the World Heritage site is just like Epcot, facades and all.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:24 AM on 11/15/2009
- HaloGuy I'm a Fan of HaloGuy 12 fans permalink
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Check out Havana as well - its a city that is stuck in the '50s, and won't be for much longer once capitalism rushes in.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 PM on 11/15/2009
- Bariis I'm a Fan of Bariis 10 fans permalink
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Cuba is already slowly losing its communist touch. Their GDP rests at over $100 billion; majority of it coming from tourism and attraction. I say they're headed in the capitalism direction.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 PM on 11/15/2009
- Tulka2 I'm a Fan of Tulka2 241 fans permalink
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How can you write an article about people fleeing Venice without mentioning rising sea levels? Anyone who can get out is fleeing predicted rising salt water. The residences cost millions and sadly wait a surge a la New Orleans. I know people on the lower east side in NYC who would love to sell now and for the same reason.

Wait a minute......? Were we all just punked by a real estate promo?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 AM on 11/15/2009
- MarcusT I'm a Fan of MarcusT 61 fans permalink
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You know people on the LES who want to sell because of the threat of rising sea levels?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 AM on 11/15/2009
- Tulka2 I'm a Fan of Tulka2 241 fans permalink
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Well, they have to think of it. When a person cannot sell because of the market and then you see the predicted sea levels in fifty years....? It makes a young man wish he had not bought at the top of the market. lol. It all makes "said young relative" wonder when other people are going to start noticing.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 AM on 11/15/2009

Ummmm....nobody is "fleeing" rising sea levels in Venice. The place has been sinking for hundreds of years.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 AM on 11/15/2009
- Tulka2 I'm a Fan of Tulka2 241 fans permalink
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Venice is a sitting duck for a sea surge... a storm and a high tide and it's all over. Young people who hope to be around in fifty years are indeed thinking about the wisdom of sea-level abodes.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 AM on 11/15/2009
- Scarborian I'm a Fan of Scarborian 21 fans permalink
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This problem is not unique to Venice. Anywhere in the world that is a nice place to live is sooner or later overcome by a wave of well meaning outsiders who really love the place and then word gets out so they are followed a wave of wealthy folks who destroy what made the place so unique in the first place. Money makes all places start to look and feel similar, same stores, same menus, only the background is different.

Venice has the advantage of a unique setting but that means there's a very limited amount of real estate and that drives up the prices so real people can no longer afford to live there and have to commute, just like most of Manhattan Island.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 AM on 11/15/2009
- johnmorgan I'm a Fan of johnmorgan 15 fans permalink

I think most of Venice's building have become hotels.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 AM on 11/15/2009
- JScott I'm a Fan of JScott 20 fans permalink

I visited there in the early 1970's I dunno if it's changed. As a tourist destination it's great but living there I couldn't, the uneven floors the smell the sewage flushing right into the canals the flooding, resolve those things and it might be viable.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 PM on 11/14/2009
- Tulka2 I'm a Fan of Tulka2 241 fans permalink
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....or you could buy in Venice Beach, Ca and wait for the water to rise. lol

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 AM on 11/15/2009

OF COURSE it's changed since the 70s! What has not?!?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 PM on 11/15/2009
- lauriemann I'm a Fan of lauriemann 8 fans permalink
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I also visited Venice in the '70s, and it was a fascinating place to visit. But live there? No. I was there in July in the middle of a garbage and a postal strike, so it was pretty unpleasant. We were in a small, old hotel where you had to pay to take a shower. which was mandatory after a trip to the beach as there had also been an oil spill that week.

Still...touring St. Mark's and the doge's palace and even taking a gondola ride...not the kind of thing you could do anywhere else (the Venetian theme park in Vegas is the Disnified version of Venice).

And the Merano glass factory had a pretty big store before the exit even in the '70s.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 11/15/2009

I can attest to the fact that Venice has steadily become less and less habitable for all but the wealthiest people. When I was a child, my grandparents lived in a neighborhood that had pretty much everything one needs for daily life - a butcher's shop, bakeries, fruit and vegetable stands, a hardware store, everyday clothing stores, a toy shop, a neighborhood bar, and even a movie theater. Today, these businesses have all been converted into Venetian glass or mask shops, or expensive bars serving cardboard pizza to tourists. Everything caters to tourists. My grandparents now have to schlep far from their neighborhood to shop at the one grocery store in the vicinity, and even further afield for other basic necessities.

Venice needs to have more businesses that are conducive to a stable and thriving population, not more mask and souvenir shops. There has to be a city-wide effort to create true neighborhoods again, and to create incentives for young people to live there again. Age-wise, the population of Venice looks like an inverted pyramid, with older people far outnumbering the young - mostly because young people cannot afford to live in Venice proper, unless they live with their parents. I think Venice could be a wonderful, vibrant city again if only the city would take some steps to bring a wider variety of residents to live there. But I fear that, within a generation or two, Venice will indeed be little more than a floating (well, sinking) museum.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 PM on 11/14/2009
- Tulka2 I'm a Fan of Tulka2 241 fans permalink
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What wonderful memories.

Alas, the world wide recession (depression?) will not find enough money and time to save Venice from the rising salt water.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 AM on 11/15/2009
- DeloresT I'm a Fan of DeloresT 24 fans permalink

Thanks for your comments. They add quite a bit to this board.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:16 PM on 11/15/2009

Would the Italian / Venetian governments provide subsidies to new residents, I'd move there in a heartbeat. As it is, I'm just a middle-class American who longs to return and cannot afford even that.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 PM on 11/14/2009

One thing that the article doesn't mention is that almost HALF of the 60,000 residents who currently live in Venice are not Venetians (i.e, people who are natives of somewhere other than the Veneto province of Italy), including a large number of (wealthy) Americans. So...not to discourage anyone, but I think that any subsidies should first go to repopulating Venice with Venetians.

It's hard to remember it sometimes when you're awestruck just walking down any given calle in Venice, but Venice is also the Venetians - people with a colorful and unique dialect, a dry wit, and a real appreciation for the arts, fine craftsmanship, and superior food and wine. The Venetians are what give Venice its spirit, its colors. In order to become a vibrant city again, Venice will need to bring back the Venetians, or risk becoming a city totally removed from its own history and culture.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 PM on 11/14/2009
- Tulka2 I'm a Fan of Tulka2 241 fans permalink
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It was even nicer between the wars when the place had a vibrant Jewish community.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 AM on 11/15/2009

Las Vegas thrives as a tourist destination. Why can't Las Vegas?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:44 PM on 11/14/2009
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