Obama In China: 'Walks A Tightrope' In His First Visit

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JENNIFER LOVEN | 11/15/09 11:17 PM | AP

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SHANGHAI — President Barack Obama sought a political balance Monday on his first trip to China, seeking help on urgent global problems while weighing if and when to raise concerns over human rights.

Obama's agenda began with talks with local politicians and, in one of the marquee events of his weeklong Asian trip, he was to conduct an American-style town hall with Chinese university students.

The president's first stop in Shanghai was the tranquil grounds of the Xijiao State Guest House, where he met with the city's mayor for about a half-hour and had lunch.

"Both of the countries have benefited greatly from the progress we have made over the last two decades," Obama said as the two sides' vast delegations were arrayed in a giant meeting room.

Thirty years after the start of diplomatic relations between the United States and China, the ties are growing – but remain mixed on virtually every front.

The two nations are working together more than ever on battling global warming, but they still differ deeply over hard targets for reductions in the greenhouse-gas emissions that cause it. China has supported sterner sanctions to halt North Korea's nuclear weapons program, but it still balks at getting more aggressive about reining in Iran's uranium enrichment.

Obama arrived in Shanghai late at night, in a driving rain, hustling through a phalanx of umbrella-holding dignitaries to reach his limousine. He was to end his day in Beijing.

China is a huge and lucrative market for American goods and services, and yet it has a giant trade surplus with the U.S. that, like a raft of other economic issues, is a bone of contention between the two governments. The two militaries have increased their contacts, but clashes still happen and the U.S. remains worried about a dramatic buildup in what is already the largest standing army in the world.

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Amid all that, Obama has adopted a pragmatic approach that stresses the positive, sometimes earning him criticism for being too soft on Beijing, particularly in the area of human rights abuses and what the U.S. regards as an undervalued Chinese currency that disadvantages U.S. products.

Obama recognizes that a rising China, as the world's third-largest economy on the way to becoming the second and the largest foreign holder of U.S. debt, has shifted the dynamic more toward one of equals. For instance, Chinese questions about how Washington spending policies will affect the already soaring U.S. deficit and the safety of Chinese investments now must be answered by Washington.

Second, Obama wants not to anger Beijing, but to encourage it to pair its growing economic and political clout with greater leadership in solving some of the most urgent global problems, including a sagging economy, warming planet and the spread of dangerous weapons.

Obama has talked warmly toward China, particularly in the days leading up to his visit.

"The United States does not seek to contain China," Obama said in a speech from Tokyo on Saturday. "On the contrary, the rise of a strong, prosperous China can be a source of strength for the community of nations."

One test of the line Obama is walking on China will be human rights, including religious freedom in the officially atheist nation. Aides said in advance that Obama would raise several human rights issues privately with Chinese leaders, including President Hu.

But it was unlikely he would repeat those messages too stridently in public, out of concern for angering his hosts. Even before arriving in China, for example, he declined to get specific about human rights concerns with China in his Tokyo speech and eschewed the traditional presidential meeting with the Dalai Lama while he was in Washington in June.

Obama said he would see the exiled Tibetan spiritual leader later, a decision welcomed by Chinese officials who pressure foreign governments not to meet with the Dalai Lama and spurn Tibetans' desires for autonomy from Chinese rule.

The White House hoped Monday's town hall meeting with Chinese university students would allow Obama to telegraph U.S. values – through its successes and failures – to the widest Chinese audience possible.

But those hopes will have their limits in communist-ruled, tightly controlled China. The particulars of the town hall, including whether it could even be called one, were the subject of delicate negotiations between the White House and the Chinese up to the last minute. It remained unclear, for instance, whether – and how broadly – it would be broadcast on television and how much of a hand the central government had in choosing those allowed to question the U.S. president.

Obama deputy national security adviser Ben Rhodes said Obama would call at random on several of those in the audience, to be made up of hundreds of students hand-picked by the department heads of Shanghai-area universities, and would also answer questions solicited in advance by the White House from "various sources on the Internet."

Even if the event is only aired on China's main English-language TV channel, which has very few viewers, the White House will stream the conversation live on , an unblocked site in China. http://www.whitehouse.gov

From Shanghai, Obama was to be off to the capital of Beijing for the pomp and substance of a two-day state visit hosted for Obama by Hu.

Obama's China visit features the only sightseeing of his high-intensity Asian journey. He will visit the Forbidden City, home of former emperors in Beijing, and the centuries-old Great Wall outside of the city. Visiting a country's noted landmarks is considered a sign of respect in the world of diplomacy. But Obama aides also have learned that finding some tourist time serves to both calm and energize their boss amid the always grueling schedule of a foreign trip.

SHANGHAI — President Barack Obama sought a political balance Monday on his first trip to China, seeking help on urgent global problems while weighing if and when to raise concerns over human rig...
SHANGHAI — President Barack Obama sought a political balance Monday on his first trip to China, seeking help on urgent global problems while weighing if and when to raise concerns over human rig...
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China is slowly but steadily regaining its status which it once held in history a long time ago. The USA was not on the map then and may even disappear before China gets back to full blossom.

America defines its super power status almost entirely with its huge military complex. This however will not be enough to become a serious competitor. Unless America modernizes each and every field at home, from education to manufacturing, China will pull ahead of you and Europe of course faster than we expect.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:27 AM on 11/16/2009
- Macready I'm a Fan of Macready 60 fans permalink

of course Obama is walking on a tightrope . . . . the bushies made a complete mess of things . .and Congress well . . . they don't work for the US taxpayers .. they work for lobbyists .. . but at least the GOP stick together . . . unlike the Dems . . .

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:51 AM on 11/16/2009
- PSRinNJ2 I'm a Fan of PSRinNJ2 6 fans permalink

I'll save everybody the suspence: Obama will grovel to the Chinese, show fealty and weakness, apologize for America once again, and will achieve absolutely nothing. Congrats, Dems! You've elected someone weaker than Carter, and that's saying something!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:11 AM on 11/16/2009
- MarcusT I'm a Fan of MarcusT 62 fans permalink
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I have found it interesting that the American public, who normally and logically condemns religious dictatorships, seems to support election by reincarnation as some sort of lost nirvana.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 AM on 11/16/2009
- gubbi I'm a Fan of gubbi 3 fans permalink
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It's people's will and religious freedom. And Tibetan-go­vernment-i­n-exile is a democracy now, with state and religion separated. Tibetans have changed and moved on with time. Seems your views about them haven't.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:21 AM on 11/16/2009
- MarcusT I'm a Fan of MarcusT 62 fans permalink
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Too late. It's nothing more than a Hollywood side show now.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:18 AM on 11/16/2009

Unless Obama end the bloody and illegal wars in Iraq and Afgahnistan, he really doesn't have the moral authority to lecture china on human rights.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 AM on 11/16/2009
- mrh3 I'm a Fan of mrh3 40 fans permalink

China hangs from a rope that is anchored in the US. It's time to jerk it a little.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 AM on 11/16/2009
- MarcusT I'm a Fan of MarcusT 62 fans permalink
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You really don't get it.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 AM on 11/16/2009

Make it the other way around and you could have a point. LOL

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 AM on 11/16/2009
- enyapjeff I'm a Fan of enyapjeff 2 fans permalink

Obama is now trying to deal with the plate that has been handed to him.

The plate's main course is a recipe created by the "Supply Siders" of the Reagan era, that was added to by the "Centrists of the Bush 1, and Clinton (NAFTA) side dishes. Then Bush 2, topped it off with tax breaks to move our manufacturing concern to China.

Our only hope is to begin the process of moving jobs back to America, and creating new green technologies, and never again "out-sourcing". This is not protectionism, it is common sense. We should never sell our essential assets for short term financial gain.

Only a "Capitalist" will sell his mother for the sake of profit.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 PM on 11/15/2009

Tax the hell out of those companies that have outsourced manufacturing abroad and give tax breaks to those companies that keep there manufacturing here in America (income tax on domestic employees will make up for the tax breaks).

This method does not impose tariffs that angers the other party, and creates incentive to keep jobs here domestically. Serving hamburgers will grow the economy only so much.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 PM on 11/15/2009
- MarcusT I'm a Fan of MarcusT 62 fans permalink
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Ever heard of the WTO?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 AM on 11/16/2009
- MarcusT I'm a Fan of MarcusT 62 fans permalink
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"Our jobs" "Our technologies" What sort of economic system do you imagine you live in?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 AM on 11/16/2009

So if everyone in America was educated to be a CEO, there would be a job for everyone?
What would be the pay for a CEO if there millions educated for that job? (and a bum off the street can do a better job then they have done).

America is not money shuffling on wall street. Making real money, is productivity by making things HERE IN AMERICA!

Inventions,that are made overseas do nothing to boost the American economy (maybe wall street dollars) but nothing long term in the US.

Looking no farther then the next quarter is what is killing America in the long term, but if you don't look any farther the the next quarter you won't see the impending doom!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 AM on 11/16/2009
- masher I'm a Fan of masher 38 fans permalink

Obama had a chance to end H-1B federal regulations. What happened? We had another auction of jobs in April. Obama won't even talk about ending H-1B. Were I work, if you are an American then your resume will not get in the door. We use a vendor to "screen" the resumes. Like magic all American resumes are filtered and we only get resumes from India. Guess who we hire? And these are jobs in America! We import labor from India to replace Americans *in* America.

So what were you saying about Obama?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 AM on 11/16/2009
- yankee222 I'm a Fan of yankee222 8 fans permalink

Obama has sold us out on so many fronts. Can't wait for the next election!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 AM on 11/16/2009
- yankee222 I'm a Fan of yankee222 8 fans permalink

You will not move jobs back to America until you have the courage to stop buying khrap made in co/mmunist china like iphones etc.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 AM on 11/16/2009

Obama was so driven to have politics in his life that he didn't sleep full time in his own home since 1996. He wanted the presidency so bad after Oprah asked him to run. He's gotten just what he wanted, plate running over with problems and all. I sure hope he thinks if was worth it after his 4 yrs are up. He's lucky to still have a patient wife and kids still around. Public spotlight jobs are selfish ones to me.

There's nothing he can take to China. That government is narrow minded.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 PM on 11/15/2009
- hulagirrrl I'm a Fan of hulagirrrl 40 fans permalink
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You said "public spotlights are selfish ones to me." Let's all cheer you then for being modest.
What is your proposal then?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 PM on 11/15/2009
- masher I'm a Fan of masher 38 fans permalink

I'm sure he is having a great time. And if its 4 years or 8 years doesn't matter. He will have a great career giving speeches. He will make hundreds of millions from Wall Street alone. He has done everything they asked of him. He will send his kids to the best schools and every door will open for them. They will respect and admire him.

So I don't get your point. You can be a lousy President and still have a great life. Actually its much easier that way.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 AM on 11/16/2009
    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 PM on 11/15/2009
- masher I'm a Fan of masher 38 fans permalink

That was weird. But actually under GOP or Democratic leadership the US has moved more towards communist China.

Europe is socialist which means they embrace democracy. The US and China are moving towards a perfect capitalism in which corporations have all the power. Its corporate communism. So yeah.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 AM on 11/16/2009
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Do right wingers EVER stop hating?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 PM on 11/15/2009
- mrh3 I'm a Fan of mrh3 40 fans permalink

Hey, it's all they got.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 AM on 11/16/2009
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Sadly,

Reagan, Clinton, Bush, and all the "free trader" sold us to China. Now Obama is doing what he has to do.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 PM on 11/15/2009
- masher I'm a Fan of masher 38 fans permalink

Obama doesn't have to. He has a free will. The problem is that he sees the world the same way Bush and Clinton do. They all see the world from a corporatist view.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 AM on 11/16/2009
- Zenith1959 I'm a Fan of Zenith1959 38 fans permalink
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I'd like to post, but don't have Tivo and new cartoons are on that otherwise bad FOX now so I have to go, need a good laugh, not that sad kind I do reading some righties posts.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 PM on 11/15/2009
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I think we'd better all start learning to speak Chinese.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 PM on 11/15/2009
- Gretel1or2 I'm a Fan of Gretel1or2 136 fans permalink

Nothing wrong with that. Many Chinese learn to speak English.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 PM on 11/15/2009
- mheister I'm a Fan of mheister 48 fans permalink
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Maybe it's time for world leaders to get together and start talking about a single worldwide auxiliary language that we all agree to learn as our second language.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 AM on 11/16/2009
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I think the choice of a future global language must be between English and Esperanto, rather than an untried project.

It's unfortunate however that only a few people know that Esperanto has become a living language.

After a short period of 122 years Esperanto is now in the top 100 languages, out of 6,800 worldwide, according to the World CIA factbook. It is the 22nd most used language in Wikipedia, and is a language choice of Google, Skype, Firefox and Facebook.

Your readers may be interested in seeing http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_YHALnLV9XU . Professor Piron was a translator with the United Nations in Geneva.

A glimpse of this planned language can be seen at http://www.lernu.net

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:54 AM on 11/17/2009
- masher I'm a Fan of masher 38 fans permalink

The Chinese middle class is small. Most of China is still peasant farmers. What will happen as we become closer to China is that we will become more and more like them. So our middle class will shrink and the poor will increase.

So you don't have to move to China. Just hang around here and we will become like them. This is what Wall Street and both of our parties want.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 AM on 11/16/2009

The Chinese middle class is about the size of your population, around 320 million people. Their growing buying power will determine our exports from Germany to a certain point as the American middle class has been wiped out.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 AM on 11/16/2009
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Obama is signaling that his paymasters have found another promising building-block for their global ruling-elite corporate/financial EMPIRE, one which they would like him to charm and incorporate.

"Yes, we can do EMPIRE bidness with China. They sure know how to manage their human cogs, and keep things going swimmingly. Bloody good show, old men."

Or as Dylan Ratigan might say beyond Keynesians, “We’re all Corporate Communists now.”

Alan MacDonald
Sanford, Maine

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 PM on 11/15/2009
- masher I'm a Fan of masher 38 fans permalink

Yup

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 AM on 11/16/2009

Please do not throw us Tibetens under the bus, President Obama!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 PM on 11/15/2009
- masher I'm a Fan of masher 38 fans permalink

Too late.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 AM on 11/16/2009
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