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Business Groups Oppose Emergency H1N1 Paid Sick Leave

First Posted: 03/18/10 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 03:40 PM ET

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Public health officials say the H1N1 flu pandemic is exacerbated by employees going into work sick because they don't get paid time off. But a representative from the business community told Congress on Tuesday to stay out of it.

House Education and Labor Committee Chairman George Miller (D-Calif.) is pushing an emergency bill that would require employers with more than 15 workers to provide up to five days of paid sick leave. That's about the length of time it takes for H1N1 sufferers to stop being contagious, according to American Public Health Association head Georges Benjamin, who testified before Miller's committee Tuesday.

The emergency bill doesn't go to the lengths that labor groups, not to mention Miller himself, want. It expires in two years, only applies to workers with "flu-like symptoms" and leaves the decision to grant time off up to the employer. But business groups, including the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the National Federation of Independent Businesses, strenuously oppose the bill anyway.

Testifying on behalf of the National Association of Manufacturers Tuesday, A. Bruce Clarke, who runs his own 1,000-member business lobby in North Carolina, told Miller's committee that most businesses already have comparable or more generous paid leave programs, so why bother?

"While some employers may not have taken specific action in response to the H1N1 outbreak, these employers are clearly the exception to the widespread practices taking place today," Clarke said in his prepared testimony. "These types of creative approaches are the result of flexibility that employers have to develop policies that best fit their workforce needs."

According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, 39 percent of workers in the private sector do not receive paid sick leave.

The "creative approaches" Clarke cited include telecommuting, advancing sick days from next year and allowing employees to make up missed hours with additional shifts. But most of his solutions wouldn't do anything to protect blue-collar or service-industry workers living from paycheck to paycheck.

Miller wasn't moved by the manufacturers' opposition. "Let's face some simple facts. When you're struggling to make ends meet you're going to do everything possible to not miss a day's pay," he said. "The lack of paid sick leave encourages workers who may have H1N1 to hide their symptoms and come to work sick, spreading infection to coworkers, customers and the public. This isn't good for our nation's public health or for businesses."

The emergency bill wouldn't obviate the need for a permanent and comprehensive paid leave policy, Miller said. Rep. Rosa DeLauro (D-Conn.) has roughly 100 cosponsors on her Healthy Families Act, which would mandate seven days of annual paid sick leave not limited to the flu, and Miller said he will continue working with DeLauro to build support for it. In the meantime, he said, the emergency bill can function as "a circuit breaker needed to get this virus under control."

Sen. Chris Dodd (D-Conn.) is developing a Senate version of Miller's emergency legislation. Though his bill would also sunset after two years, Dodd said last week that it will be based on the Healthy Families Act, which means it would leave the decision to take up to seven paid sick days up to the worker, not the company.

"Families shouldn't have to choose between staying healthy and making ends meet," Dodd said in a statement last week. "But if staying home means you don't get paid, that's an impossibility, especially for families struggling to make ends meet in this tough economy."

The business community, however, seems to think it can beat back any bill, including Miller's. One tactic they don't hesitate to use involves threatening benefit and job cuts.

"If employers are mandated to provide a certain level of a specific leave benefit, they must decide whether to add that on top of existing employer leave policies or to reduce the existing in order to meet the new mandate," Clarke said Tuesday.

Laying some groundwork for lobbying should the bill keep gaining steam, Clarke suggested that the federal government "encourage" businesses to provide their own H1N1 solutions, and argued that any federal law should preempt state and local laws on paid sick leave, many of which are tougher than the proposed legislation.

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Public health officials say the H1N1 flu pandemic is exacerbated by employees going into work sick because they don't get paid time off. But a representative from the business community told Congress ...
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TremoluxMan
Politics: BS on Steroids.
10:30 AM on 11/18/2009
Businesses are opposed? Who didn't see that coming?
12:27 AM on 11/18/2009
If we had a national health care policy that actually distributed flu shots to everyone who wanted them, wouldn't this pitting worker against employer be a mute point?
08:47 AM on 11/18/2009
I think giving people 5 days of sick leave every year is a small thing to ask, and certainly wouldn't characterize it as "pitting worker against employee". Decent employers who actually care about their employees offer this already. Oh, and there could be 2 vaccines for every person and it doesn't mean everyone will get vaccinated, so availability of vaccines means nothing.
05:19 PM on 11/18/2009
Yes. true "Enlightened Selfishness" would want employees to stay home, not infect the rest of the company, and get well and productive as quickly as possible.

Unfortunately most American Managers have a "Warm Body" concept of productivity.
08:52 PM on 11/17/2009
Contagious employees would be able both to stay home and stay on the job if they could telecommute. For this reason, the Obama Administration has advised businesses preparing for a severe pandemic to allow telecommuting, as well as sick leave. However, just like sick leave, telecommuting is unaffordable for many Americans.

As things stand now, if an employee works for an out-of-state business and agrees with her employer to telecommute when she comes down with flu symptoms, she may be subject to an untenable tax penalty. She may be taxed twice on the wages she earns at home: once by the state where she lives and then a second time by the state where the business is located. The threat of double taxation can make it impossible for an employee to consider telework when she or a family member gets sick.

Senator Chris Dodd (D-CT) introduced legislation in the last session of Congress that would solve this problem: The Telecommuter Tax Fairness Act. The bill would prohibit states from taxing the wages nonresidents earn when they work at home, eliminating the double tax risk. Congressmen Jim Himes (D-CT) and Frank Wolf (R-VA) have reintroduced this bill in the current session, and Congresswoman Rosa DeLauro (D-CT) is a co-sponsor.

To help flu-stricken employees recover at home while minimizing the loss of productivity for businesses, Congress should remove the tax barrier to working from home by passing the Telecommuter Tax Fairness Act.
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oldngrumpy
My micro-bio is no longer empty
09:24 PM on 11/17/2009
This bill is, or could be, a good idea. The problem is that it is exactly backwards. Why should a state be able to tax someone's income based only upon their residency? I live in a (red) state that offers little opportunity for meaningful employment. Luckily, I live on the border with a (blue) state that does a better job of attracting industry and employment. I, like most in this area, drive across the state line to work. Why should my state of residence benefit from the effort of another state? My property taxes pay for infrastructure and education in my area and I don't feel my state has any claim to earnings they did nothing to encourage.
08:40 PM on 11/17/2009
i am as liberal as they come and I certainly oppose this. Everyone I know has either had the darn H1N1 or their kids have, etc. Get the tamiflu and it is actually not that big of a deal. Most people I know were down just a few days or not at all. I realize that is not ALWAYS the case, but the exceptions are few. It is just the flu. We have at least one strain that is new every year. We can't make that an emergency every year! You can't ask the business community to take responsibility for this too!
09:25 PM on 11/17/2009
I agree with you here, and I am an employment lawyer for employees. People will just get fired, and there is no way of telling if it is h1n1. Instead, business should pay for flu shots every year with a tax incentive. The problem is not enough flu shots (which is the most ridiculous thing for an "advanced" nation) and this measure won't stop the problem.
09:29 PM on 11/17/2009
to add, paid sick leave in general should be required (10 a year) and no getting fired for getting contagious illnesses as a serious health condition by any employer of 5 or more people. (current law only protects employees in companies of 50 or more employees).
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middleoftheroad
08:39 AM on 11/18/2009
It obviously does not mean hourly workers as they can just be off the clock. I'll say what I said already. If a Dr. thinks you have it and will get others sick it makes sense...but just about everyone I know from teachers to IT people look at sick days as days off. You can't just tell a business you now have to give someone 10 paid days off.
08:31 PM on 11/17/2009
If you get sick, just make sure you report to your bosses many times per day...
09:30 PM on 11/17/2009
that's what I do, let them hear me cough, sneeze, and blow my nose until they can't stand it. I stay home the next day.
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sviolette
Hug a vet!!!
07:14 PM on 11/17/2009
I don't get paid sick days so if I get sick I will go to work. No doupt about it. I don't care if I infect hundereds of co-workers. I need to work every day to make ends meet.
07:22 PM on 11/17/2009
Such is capitalism, where quick profit for the rich is god and
long range gain for the good of all is labeled socialism
unfit for civilized man.
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cef911f1
Dog loving, liberal old white guy living in SC.
09:26 PM on 11/17/2009
And if you work with the public (store clerks, restaurant staff, etc.) then the customers are at risk as well. That will be good for business.
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07:03 PM on 11/17/2009
Has anyone developed a vaccine for MOOSE FLU??
09:25 PM on 11/17/2009
it's called Going Rouge!
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Thundercloud65
06:25 PM on 11/17/2009
At times I despair for the species. Swine Flu may or may not be the pandemic people fear it to be, but it's only a matter of time until the next one hits us. Pandemics have been with us for a very long time and even into modern times. So, should we count on sick employees to make the choice to protect their company's workforce from infection or choose between making rent? I don't know if that is the wisest choice to make, but it would be fitting if those opposing sick leave for those infected were among the body count at the end of the day.
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KDog76A
Radical Centrist
06:36 PM on 11/17/2009
sick people can stay home if they are sick...give me a break
06:45 PM on 11/17/2009
They can also be fired if they don't have sick days.
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amdezurik
05:55 PM on 11/17/2009
seriously, how can a politician expect gorporapists to allow their wagesl.av.es to think they are people!
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KDog76A
Radical Centrist
06:38 PM on 11/17/2009
I'd rather be a wageslave to a corporation where I can switch jobs rather than be a slave to a nanny-government that I can't get away from.
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TequilaMockingbird
ALL Hail The Lords of Funk Entropy
06:45 PM on 11/17/2009
Oh Please.. You do not even know what a Nanny Govt. is.. In fact.. You are for all the things a true Nanny Govt. would be involved with.. Don't the Cons love the Sexx Lawws, Prohibition etc..

Yes.. This is our Govt.. and I expect Our Govt. To Work for the People.. not the Corporations.. Why is that so hard for you to comprehend?
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amdezurik
06:47 PM on 11/17/2009
the sad part is you are seemingly real so pathetic you think that that is the choice
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StJames
In absentia luci tenebrae vincunt
05:53 PM on 11/17/2009
Well, eventually there will be a killer pandemic...and many of those who think employers shouldn't have to have adequate paid sick leave for their employees will be amongst the 'no longer living'. I think it's called culling the herd. I never fail to be amazed by people who don'/t know what is good for them.
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KDog76A
Radical Centrist
06:42 PM on 11/17/2009
" never fail to be amazed by people who don'/t know what is good for them."

Like a good job? there will be fewer, because we are talking about small businesses not large corporations

60% of the employed population has paid sick leave. Of the remaining 40%, there are surely flexible arrangements such as working from home, there are the self employed, and there are those companies that just can't afford such a policy because they can't afford the losses. OBviously there are those that will be just bad employers. YOU CAN QUIT ANYTIME in a free country so you can always look for a job elsewhere.

If there is another "killer pandemic" sick days won't save millions of lives, this is political posturing and it rather weak at that.
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StJames
In absentia luci tenebrae vincunt
07:01 PM on 11/17/2009
Oh most definitely, people should quit their jobs now and go in search of ones that offer paid sick leave. Jobs being so plentiful and all.

Most of those people without paid sick leave, also have no health insurance. That's just fine with you isn't it?
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WhitneyKyle
01:36 AM on 11/18/2009
Should some employees be exempt from equal protection under the law so some small business owners can prosper? Is that really in the constitution?

Do we really need employers that would fail if they had to compete fairly and treat their employees fairly?

Do we really believe they would fire the very workers who support them?
05:50 PM on 11/17/2009
PERFECT HEALTH ---- IN JUST ONE DAY

People fill up on a diet saturate with 50% fats on the average,
and then blame bad health on chemicals and things impossible to change.

SOLUTION
Breakfast of fresh fruit over oatmeal.
Dinner of stew with lentils or beans, brown rice and vegetables.

No doctor bills in over 30 years, raised a family of five and all
in perfect health.

Seven years on Social Security and still refuse to pay the $104
a month for Medicare. Now that is hope you can live on.
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Dynamohum
05:52 PM on 11/17/2009
Well, aren't you just a paragon of virtue? Are you kidding me? What is this: "It's my way or the highway?" Not everyone fits into your nice little neat box. A Gazillion other people could live your lifestyle and not get the same results. Think past the tip of your nose, man.
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TequilaMockingbird
ALL Hail The Lords of Funk Entropy
05:55 PM on 11/17/2009
Ya Know.. The Dude that drinks Goat Pee told me the same thing!!!
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Coinyer101
King of Doobiestan
05:44 PM on 11/17/2009
Who cares what they think? This ain't about them. This is about people, not 'business interests' that are only concerned with the money earned off the backs of these people.......,
05:36 PM on 11/17/2009
Well, when you are sick at work, FIRST go to the boss's office and cough and inform them you are sick and cough a few times MORE to make sure the virus spreads around .
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KDog76A
Radical Centrist
06:51 PM on 11/17/2009
bwaa haaa haaa

you must have a sh!tty job to come up with reasoning like that. get a life. if you hate work so much moveon.org.
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MissKaren
05:33 PM on 11/17/2009
Fine and when the flu empties the office and the plant, what are the business groups going to do? Encouraging a sick employee to stay home is good business.
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KDog76A
Radical Centrist
06:52 PM on 11/17/2009
gee the same thing they've done for the past 10 thousand years?
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TequilaMockingbird
ALL Hail The Lords of Funk Entropy
07:13 PM on 11/17/2009
Yeah cause that's the point of living in such a wealthy technologically advanced Country.. Our workers should be as downtrodden and miserable as they have been for the past 10 thousand years...
09:37 PM on 11/17/2009
great audition for the role of the Grinch at your community theater!
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Moshe
Shalom to all
05:29 PM on 11/17/2009
The U.S. is taking a turn toward the ugly in so many ways, and here's another.

Short-term cost savings seem to be all that matter, even when that short-sighted focus costs us all far more over time.

Not smart.

And not a winning strategy for the future.

It's difficult to see how turning the U.S. into a third rate banana republic is going to be good for anybody in the long-term.

Eating your seed corn isn't that great now, but it's disastrous for the future.

Aren't they teaching anything other than quarterly profits in business schools anymore?