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More than five years ago, one of California's leading hospitals decided to leap into the future of medical care by digitizing its patients' health records. Despite a $50 million investment and countless hours trying to overcome persistent technical headaches, the system is still not fully up and running.

This summer, the University of California San Francisco Medical Center quietly wrote off more than a third of the money it has spent, terminated its contractor and prepared to start part of the project from scratch.

"We're disappointed. A lot of people put in a lot of hard work," said Ken Jones, the medical center's interim chief operating officer.

The costly setback pointedly illustrates the challenges health professionals face trying to meet a government mandate to bring American medicine into the computer age.

Federal officials expect to spend as much as $45 billion in economic stimulus funds over the next ten years to encourage doctors and hospitals to buy electronic records systems. The aim is to improve health care, tame spending and minimize medical mistakes.

Though it enjoys wide-reaching political support in Washington, the drive has generated less enthusiasm in the medical trenches. Many doctors and technology analysts warn that electronic records systems now on the market may constitute a risky investment for taxpayers. Early reports from some American and European hospitals, they say, suggest that some technology may prove unreliable and could even pose safety problems for patients.

"Our basic position is that the current products cannot meet our quality, safety or efficiency needs," said Kendall Rogers, an internist at the University of New Mexico. He chairs an information technology task force for the Society of Hospital Medicine, a doctors' group whose members work primarily in hospitals.

No government agency regulates digital health systems or tracks how well they work. There is no central repository for reporting problems, though a relatively small number of voluntary reports to the Food and Drug Administration hint at the range of breakdowns faced by some hospitals and doctors.

Some technology analysts also have criticized provisions in some sales contracts that may prohibit buyers of digital records software from publicly disclosing any flaws.

Are you a patient who has begun tracking your medical records online? Are you a health care provider who has converted to digital records management? Do you sell or develop these technologies? We'll be following the nation's adoption of new digital medical records, and we want to hear from you. Send us your Health IT stories and we may publish the results.

U.S. Sen. Charles E. Grassley (R-Iowa), ranking member of the Senate Finance Committee, is looking into complaints from patients, doctors and engineers "regarding difficulties they have encountered" with the systems. In a letter sent last month, Grassley directed 10 manufacturers to report service problems since January 2007 to the committee.

Through a spokeswoman, the health information technology industry's trade association said it would have no comment on Grassley's probe or other quality issues. However, a spokeswoman for Cerner Corporation, an industry leader, said the company welcomed the senator's review and was cooperating with it.

"We are pulling the data and nearly ready to submit it," said Cerner spokeswoman Kelli Christman. "I think it's a great idea they are looking at it, particularly when (taxpayers) are investing billions of dollars."

In the case of the University of California San Francisco, the hospital ended its contract with General Electric "based on overall delay in getting an integrated system in place and fully functional," a spokeswoman said.

Despite the problems, many at the hospital remain committed to the idea of electronic records. Glitches are worrisome but the products are "getting better as more people use them," said Robert M. Wachter, a professor of medicine and an expert on patient safety issues.

"We have to jump in," Wachter said, "and accept the fact that there will be a learning curve and work our way through it."

'Huge Challenges'

Many health policy experts agree that phasing out paper medical charts could revolutionize health care. They often note that digital record-keeping will help foil medical mistakes stemming from sloppy doctor handwriting on prescription pads and save money from tests and X-rays that must be repeated when paper records can't be located.

Beyond simply storing written medical findings, the software is expected to link doctors with hospitals and federal health data banks. Doctors would be able to send and receive medical test results online and automatically remind patients when it's time for a check-up. Most systems have built-in alerts and alarms to warn doctors of dangerous drug interactions and boast other safety features to assist them in caring for patients.

And proponents predict that the ability to mine electronic data from millions of patients will yield clues about which medical treatments work the best, spot adverse drug reactions more quickly and speed up detection of infectious disease outbreaks.

David Blumenthal, a physician and the federal government's top health information technology official, said that as part of the stimulus program his office plans to spend $693 million to, among other things, "provide technical assistance, guidance and information on best practices" to doctors and hospitals.

As part of the stimulus bill, Congress directed Blumenthal's Office of National Coordinator within the Department of Health and Human Services to set standards for handing out the federal subsidies. Doctors who meet the standards can receive up to $44,000 in stimulus payments, starting in the fall of 2010. Hospitals are eligible for millions of these dollars.

The Obama administration wants to store every American's medical data online within the next five years, a goal first set by President George W. Bush. Even with the incentives, the magnitude of the task is enormous - downloading millions of existing records from some 600,000 doctors and about 5,000 hospitals and engineering dozens of software products to interact.

Blumenthal conceded in an April New England Journal of Medicine article that "huge challenges" lie ahead and that many systems weren't "user-friendly" or designed to improve quality and efficiency.

In a written response to questions this month, Blumenthal said his unit is learning from past problems with electronic health records, often referred to as EHRs. He said that in many cases the systems "have a tremendous record of success." Blumenthal wrote: "The overwhelming majority of physicians who use EHRs are satisfied and believe the new technology makes them better doctors. Of course, no one is perfect."

Critics say federal officials should pay more attention to the troubles that emerged in countries that were early adopters. For instance, Great Britain's electronic records system has been "beset by poor product quality, delays and repeated changes to delivery schedules," according to a British government evaluation in October 2005. Bugs still plague some parts of the system.

British officials have singled out Cerner, a major subcontractor on parts of the National Health Service project, for criticism. A House of Commons report in January of this year found that the project was four years behind schedule and that progress to fix things had been "very disappointing." The report cited "considerable problems with the Cerner product."

Trustees of a 327-bed hospital in the seaside resort community of Weston-super-Mare in southwest England found "continuing problems" with Cerner's digital system in a September 2008 audit, calling it "difficult and overly complicated to use." The audit added that "training needs to be improved and users have little confidence in the information generated."

Cerner officials declined to comment about the British project for this article.

In Sweden, a country widely hailed for its progress in computerizing health records, a government panel last May issued a report linking computer malfunctions to "severe incidents" and even deaths. The panel favored stricter regulation of digital health systems.

Prescription Mixups

Manufacturers in the United States have staved off formal regulation, telling the Food and Drug Administration in May 2008 that their products should be excluded from review partly as a means to speed up their adoption.

The industry went on to say that no deaths or injuries could be attributed to a software failure. But there is no way to know for sure, because unlike makers of medical devices, companies manufacturing health information technology systems are under no obligation to report injuries resulting from software malfunctions to the government--and only Cerner Corporation appears to be doing so voluntarily.

Among about four dozen voluntary filings about software malfunctions involving Cerner products is one sketchy report of a death said to be linked to the company's digital prescription software. Such reports are logged by the FDA's online reporting system and can be entered anonymously and with no identifying information. The record indicates that the report came in January from an unnamed physician. Cerner said the FDA has taken no action as a result.

The other reports, agency records show, range from mixing up patients or posting data to the wrong chart to confusing medication doses. The FDA reports indicate that a few of the malfunctions resulted in injuries, while the company said others that posed a significant risk were discovered before anyone was hurt.

Among them:

• In December 2008, Cerner reported to the FDA that two patients had received too much medicine from pharmacies because the system failed to update changes in doses doctors had ordered. In one case, an elderly patient received too much of a blood thinner for six weeks. No injury resulted, according to the report.

• In June 2008, a pharmacist reported that three children's hospitals had identified similar problems with medication orders that rounded off small numbers, causing an error in dosage. The pharmacist said the hospital nearly gave a patient ten times the correct dose of insulin because of the defect.

• In June 2007, Cerner reported that messages stored to a patient's file would wipe out earlier ones. "Patient care could be adversely affected as clinical decisions could be based on incorrect information," the company stated. Cerner said it was working on a software update to correct the problem.

• In August 2007, Cerner reported its radiology system was mixing up patients, which the company stated "could potentially cause the radiologist to interpret images from one pt. and generate dictation on a different pt." The company said three reports were mixed up, but doctors caught the errors and no injury resulted.

• April 2006: A three-week-old lab system dropped the word "no" from herpes simplex virus test results. As a result two of five patients were told they had the virus when they did not. At least one person started taking antiviral crème treatment because of the error.

Cerner regulatory affairs director Shelley Looby said reports of injuries or defects are "extremely rare." She said the company voluntarily files about six or seven reports with the FDA each year.

"I think that our software is safe and effective. When we do find an issue we are upfront about it," Looby said, adding: "We want to make sure we do the right thing."

Sharona Hoffman, a Case Western Reserve University law professor and expert on legal risks posed by digital record storage, said rigorous pre-market testing and inspections are needed to wipe out many software bugs. In her view, manufacturers should be required to report any flaws to the government.

Computerizing health records "is a very significant development that could lead to a new era in medicine, if we do it right," Hoffman said.

University of Pennsylvania sociologist Koppel, a prominent researcher on the topic, agrees. He is critical of "non-disclosure" clauses inserted in sales contracts by some health technology firms, which oblige buyers to keep quiet about any problems that crop up. The companies also benefit from "hold harmless" clauses that may shift liability for errors caused by their systems to the doctors and hospitals that use them.

"That's critical," said Koppel. "It takes the onus away from the vendor. Even if there are thousands of complaints, the vendor is not responsible for repairing it."

Trying to Adapt

For the government, the hardest group to persuade may well be the doctors themselves. Their early experience with digitizing records has drawn mixed reviews. In late May, a health care analyst reported that one in five physicians in the Phoenix area who went digital ditched their systems after they turned out to cost more than expected, slowed them down, or were too tough to master and keep running.

The "simple act of writing a prescription can take five times as long on a computer as it does with pen and paper," wrote Chris Clancy, an analyst with the consulting firm HealthLeaders InterStudy.

Others argue that most doctors who have taken the plunge would never go back to pen and paper and that those who are reluctant will come around. Brad Tritle, who directs a group in Arizona that promotes electronic records, expects the tech industry to adapt smartly and quickly by upgrading its offerings. "There are some fantastic systems," Tritle said.

Yet the existing concerns are echoed in dozens of mostly negative postings to a blog recently set up by federal health officials to solicit comments about the digital records plan. Blumenthal said in his written response to questions that officials are "glad the blog is generating good feedback, that's what it was supposed to do." He also wrote: "We want to hear from doctors, hospital leaders, patients and anyone who has thoughts about this important program."

For his part, Koppel, the University of Pennsylvania sociologist, said he believes the stimulus spending is misplaced if it helps subsidize the purchase of systems that rely on years-old technology.

"I think that the money the administration has allocated should be used to figure out how to make more usable and more responsive software," he said.

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03:10 PM on 11/28/2009
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11:11 AM on 12/02/2009
Medefile,
1. You are using a news service blatantly as an free advertisem­ent.

2. But, within the gist of this article, does your sales contract also forbid customers, physicians­, and patients to discuss publicly any failings they encounter in your system?
Please respond. If you do not, I have reason to assume that you require the same confidenti­ality clause,

Not being able to share reports of failings disables system improvemen­ts. subjects patients to undue risks, and subjects physicians to suits and higher malpractic­e premiums.

No medical profession­al should be willing to sign of on their right to speak freely!

Gio
01:16 AM on 11/25/2009
I'm not using electronic record keeping yet in my practice, but we are soon going to start. There are many valid concerns about EHRs, but I am still looking forward to having more legible, complete and easy to store in a compact way records.
Big concerns are for protection of confidenti­al/private informatio­n, expense of software and possible hardware changes, learning curve and training time, expense and effort.
It is valid to have concern about computer generated errors, but frankly I have seen so many manually generated errors over the years, and I suspect it will be easier to correct errors digitally. Missing files should be less likely with EHRs.
I do have concerns about losing data through either software glitches or operator error. Just seeing the number of errors in getting comments posted properly here at HuffPost signals a need for caution to me. We will ;have to be very diligent, persistent and thorough about backups and redundant systems.
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01:08 PM on 11/25/2009
A quick word advice on your future EMR. I’ve been working with EMR’s developing templates and workflows since 1995. Make sure whatever system you buy is “fully” customizab­le. Many will claim to be but are in fact very limited on what can be changed. If you want it to work, you need to be able to make that system fit what “you” do and how you do it. Otherwise you could end up with a very expensive “mell of a hess”.
11:14 AM on 12/02/2009
But once you customize it, you may be at risk for doing your own software maintenanc­e in the future, if your changes do not match the annual or so improvemen­ts that your vendor will deliver.

Be careful!
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Dee Amschler
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01:08 AM on 11/25/2009
There's a problem with privacy involved. Not all electronic records systems are well written for appropriat­e privacy and confidenti­ality - even among medical profession­als. I've personally had it compromise my care to the point that there's a local medical system that I won't go to any more because it happens so often there. That medical system has their online medical records stored in such a way that ALL doctors and nurses can see ALL medication­s and diagnoses. There's no reason why all doctors and nurses need to see all your records all the time.

Furthermor­e, there needs to be some accountabi­lity written into the system. At one point, I found out from the system that I had a new diagnosis - and NO ONE knew where it had come from. A pretty strong and hefty diagnosis too - someone should have put their name on that one and they SHOULD have made it to my face.

But at risk of having my comment blown off, what I'm talking about as "problem diagnoses" are mental health records. There's no reason why this needs to be common knowledge. At least not until medical profession­als reach a point where seeing a person has a mental illness quits meaning things like a person in the ER for a possible allergy almost gets sent home with a mere lecture about their "drug seeking behaviors" or a woman expecting an annual exam merely gets asked a couple of questions and then sent home because the doc
01:22 AM on 11/25/2009
Your problem with mental health diagnoses being publicly available is a very serious violation of federal HIPPA laws and need to be reported, so that the problem is fixed ASAP. That is not just an "oops". It is a very big deal and not to be tolerated.
HIPPA regulation­s require your signed consent for mental health records to be shared, even with another profession­al.
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04:31 PM on 11/25/2009
Thank you for that informatio­n! The medical system that does this has repeatedly insisted that it's OK and they've been rated for quite some time as one of the Top 10 in the U.S. by I think it's U.S. News and World Reports. Now to figure out who hears complaints about HIPAA.
11:24 AM on 12/02/2009
Dee et al.,
My personal advice (although I am a profession­al with about 40 years experience in medical computing) is NOT to put mental health care data into any file file on a system that allows access by others. If you want to use a computer, keep it local and encrypted, and only share it when it is fully appropriat­e) Since such data is not allowed to be shared in the first instance, there is no benefit in placing it on a system that provides sharing.
Remember, the vendors of the software you use don't accept any liability if their system fails to protect the informatio­n, so that you will be fully liable in case of a problem.
The promises of vendors to provide security and privacy are not legally enforceabl­e.

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09:30 PM on 11/24/2009
11/24/09
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Alexandria­, VA

I just received a hospital BILL which is such a mess that I am amazed.

If they can't even get the financial informatio­n straight then how on earth can the medical records be trusted?
08:55 PM on 11/24/2009
Fred Schulte's concerns are validated by the scientific literature that indicates that the HIT equipment generates and facilitate­s new mistakes that are often hard to spot.

Educationa­l "not for profits" such as HIMSS and CCHIT have perpetuate­d the illusion that such gear and devices are safe. They travel the world on US taxpayers' dollars.

Blumenthal made a statement that has no scientific proof of being accurate.

What really happened at UCSF? How many patients died from HIT errors?

Senator Grassley should be sure that the answers to his inquiry of HIT vendors are not more obfuscatio­n of the truth in the stream of deception by the industry wasting billions of dollars.

There are hospitals in the UK and US that have implemente­d this equipment and have experience­d clinical mayhem. For obvious reasons, the truth will be covered up. Increased mortality from CPOE products was reported in babies in Pittsburgh and more than 20 new computer generated errors were reported in Philadelph­ia. Companies and hospitals are covering up thousands of complaints from their doctors are nurses and are not repairing the defects.

Joint Commission has issued a safety alert. FDA has begun to list adverse events via its Medwatch site.

To get at the truth, I now see the point of others' advice, that being, for all patients, nurses, and doctors to REPORT ADVERSE EVENTS AND NEAR MISSES FROM HIT AND CPOE DEVICES TO THE FDA.
01:29 AM on 11/25/2009
Can someone post where and how to report this to the FDA? Is the FDA the proper authority, or should it be HHS? Not all EHRs are equal.
11:38 AM on 12/02/2009
As I mentioned above, the contract that UCSF signed with Cerner does not even allow medical staff at UCSF to complain in public.

Any health care organizati­on that buys medical systems with those confidenti­ality clauses is
1. Itself negligent wrt to its patients and physicians­, because it will not be properly and fully informed about problems that occurred earlier, elsewhere.
2. Liable to malpractic­e suits once the lawyers get wise to what is going on, without any recourse to the systems providers.

Formally, those clauses are based an the assumption that there is a `learned intermedia­ry' interposed between the system and the patient, so that the vendor is absolved of all risks. That means that the physicians should not trust any of the reported test results and requires them to repeat any test that contribute­s to a prescribed treatment or a decision not to treat, ad infinitum, jacking up the cost of health care.

Automating a broken health care system just makes it worse.
08:13 PM on 11/24/2009
This is just another case where the US has fallen behind the rest of the world.
08:40 PM on 11/24/2009
Right on the money
07:54 PM on 11/24/2009
The VA Healthcare system already has developed one of the best electronic medical record systems. It is being used in other countries. It was developed by the VA's own doctors. My dad is in the VA healthcare system and is the beneficiar­y of the most modern medical record system. Even if he travels to another state and needs care in a VA hospital, all he has to do is show his VA card and everything is right there available for the doctor - all his history including medication­s. He forgot his insulin on one trip and was able to get a supply through the VA pharmacy at the local VA clinic. There is a great book written by a journalist from US News & World Report that describes the VA's medical records system and its developmen­t. It's called the Best Care Anywhere, Why VA Healthcare is Better Than Yours. A real eyeopener given all the bad press we always read, but my dad has never experience­d.
07:59 PM on 11/24/2009
For 46 billion we can create a better system
08:13 PM on 11/24/2009
Disclaimer­: I am a solo physician in a small rural private practice with an office staff of two, trying to digitize my practice which includes 25 years of paper records. I also moonlight in our hospital ER

Question: When I see VA patients in my office (outside the VA system), may I tap into the VA medical records system? When I see patients in our local hospital ER (not a VA hospital), can I tap into the VA hospital medical records system? I may be wrong, but I don't think so.

How does the VA Hospital medical records system help health care providers outside the VA Medical System?

It occurs to me that if the govt truly wants to advance electronic medical records, a good first step would be to put the entire VA Medical system "on line" such that VA medical records could be reviewed and updated by any appropriat­e health care provider in America (or the world, for that matter, for example if a VA patient becomes ill while on an overseas trip).
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01:21 PM on 11/26/2009
The best way for that to happen would be to consolidat­e all health care into a single payer system. Then all the records including billing would be available to all Dr.'s and hospitals. As long as "health insurance" companies continue to fight improving health care for Americans, the longer it will take for our system to catch up to Europe.
07:43 PM on 11/24/2009
Why not let Americans write those systems for them? If they were using outside contractor­s then it's likely that the company they were using was working out of India. There are hundreds of thousands of American programmer­s with decades of experience each out of work. We could do it!
06:18 PM on 11/24/2009
They can always consult with Discount tire, radio shack, even my local bakery has elec records. What is so complicate­d about setting up and working with a database that the heathcare setups can not do?
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07:08 PM on 11/24/2009
I run a physician office with 4 doctors, and believe me it is extremely complicate­d. Not only are the softwares which are available completely different from one another and often lacking basic intuitive features, but are often so complicate­d to use and continuall­y update that it has a tremendous learning curve to be able to maintain. One example, our office switched to an EMR in 2005, due to various errors the entire billing system was down for 3 weeks, and if the system itself had gone out, our patient informatio­n would not be accessible at all. For some patients, this would be dangerous because their previous office visits and lab results are vital to their care. In some aspects this has improved now by 2009 however there is not really a lot of consistenc­y in the various softwares, and unfortunat­ely most doctors are not technologi­cally savvy enough to know what companies are offering a superior product. The only "standard" that really exists for the EMR programs is "CCHIT" certificat­ion, which is run by contribute­rs to this organizati­on which is funded by the very companies which it certifies, so to me kind of a joke.
07:26 PM on 11/24/2009
you just ID'ed one of the main issues in this. software companies and hardware vendors are treating this as biz-as-usu­al. so all the software will be mutually incompatab­le and in some cases activly hostile, preventin installati­on and/or major patches to run them. ou also see the "push crap out NOW, we will fix it later" behavior. Both of those are the exact opposite any kind of goal of simplifyin­g records.
07:57 PM on 11/24/2009
But as an IT person everything you say is true, but so easily fixed.
05:07 PM on 11/24/2009
Disclaimer­: I am a solo physician in a small rural private practice with an office staff of two, trying to digitize my practice which includes 25 years of paper records:

"...will help foil medical mistakes stemming from sloppy doctor handwritin­g on prescripti­on pads..."

Why not just require that prescripti­ons be electronic­ally generated if that is the problem?

"...save money from tests and X-rays that must be repeated when paper records can't be located...­"

This would require that whatever facility that did the X-Ray or lab test be able to electronic­ally communicat­e with the doctor's office or hospital ER. It is not uncommon for a patient to wind up in some ER at 2AM Sunday morning, and report that they had tests and X-Rays somewhere else for their complaint earlier in the week. For this utility to work, ALL computer systems for ALL physician offices, clinics, laboratori­es, diagnostic centers, and hospitals would have to be open to the Internet on a 27/7 basis, with access as simple as a username and password, and all the software congruent.

"...the software is expected to link doctors with hospitals and federal health data banks. Doctors would be able to send and receive medical test results online..."

If that is the goal then why doesn't the govt just give us the govt approved uniform software, and let us store all the medical records on the govt computer in Washington­?
05:35 PM on 11/24/2009
You're issues are exactly why I posted earlier. Only the government through their resources (HHS) can provide the correct business model to ensure ALL Americans get the best healthcare in the world. And only the telecoms have 24/7 security, redundancy­, geographic­al reach, competitio­n, bandwidth and 24/7 on-call support, auditing and archival. With 46 Billion dollars the answer is really so simple. Also people don't want their medical records held by the government­.
01:36 AM on 11/25/2009
The answer is anything but simple! Even with such a huge investment­. There is always room for improvemen­t and bugs in even the best systems.
If being big and throwing money at it was really a simple solution, how do you explain all the problems every time Microsoft introduces an updated OS?
05:44 PM on 11/24/2009
Also don't jump the boat by buying anything yet just be prepared for how things may unfold. The discussion is on going.
03:32 PM on 11/24/2009
Any hospital seeking to digitize its medical records should learn from the experience and mistakes of those who already have successful and fully operationa­l electronic record keeping systems.

As a member of Kaiser Permanente Health Care System, I see how good their electronic system is for doctors, nurses, and patients

I can email my doctor about a problem and receive a response. I can view most of my test results on-line and show them over the years as a table, line graph, or bar graph to look for trends.

The software is like any robust database that only allows certain authorized personnel to see specific parts of a patient's medical records so they are, I believe, HIPPA compliant. Some employes can see more informatio­n than others depending upon their specific job.

HMSA here in Hawaii also provides on-line video consultati­on between doctor and patient so a mother doesn't necessaril­y have to rush her baby or young child to the local clinic.

I think, but don't quote me, that in some cases, test results in the form of images of various types can be seen by specialist­s thousands of miles away by electronic means.

Maybe this is one area where Open Source software could be developed and checked, improved, and debugged by thousands of developers across the country and the world to lower costs and avoid the inevitable duplicatio­n of effort.
07:30 PM on 11/24/2009
and that works by having all the forms standardiz­ed and informatio­n sorted. The problem is trying to tie in records from 20-30-50-6­0 years ago (there are 90 yo patients after all, plus a lot of that when digitized will make for studies) in formats that may have changed year to year. So it is a BIG project and not as easy as it may look from the outside.
08:36 PM on 11/24/2009
I wasn't suggesting that it wasn't hard. I know that Kaiser had its problems in the beginning. All I am saying is that it isn't impossible to do, and that those seeking to do it should learn from the mistakes and successes of others who now have successful electronic record systems.

Standardiz­ation of forms would probably be a "must" if the software used were developed through "Open Source", but I think standardiz­ation would no only lower costs but also make it easier for doctors to be affiliated with different hospitals and not be confused by different forms, etc.
09:05 AM on 11/25/2009
Three years ago Blue Shield dumped my profession­al organizati­on (Calif. Assn. of Realtors) from it's plan. We were switched to Kaiser en mass. I had heard my share of Kaiser horror stories over the years, so I was a little worried.

Those worries turned out to be misplaced. Everything at Kaiser is computeriz­ed. It works and it's wonderful. My doc will write my out a scrip, but he'll do it as an email to the pharmacy (downstair­s) and it will often be ready before I'm even done with the consult. When I was on Blue Shied, I had reams of paper-work from secondary providers, (labs, specialist­s, pharmacies­, etc) and was always having a billing dispute. All that is gone with Kaiser.

As others have commented, I can't understand why the Medical profession is not fully computeriz­ed by now. Everything else is. Sure, I bet it was difficult for Kaiser to computeriz­e, but probably nowhere near as difficult as it was when all the airlines did 25 years ago. Honestly, I think the real reason computeriz­ation hasn't happened is lack of competitio­n between doctors.
03:01 PM on 11/24/2009
I laughed very strongly when I saw Obama, during his last visit to the Cleveland Clinic, claiming that they were a leader in electronic medical documentat­ion. Smoke and mirrors. They are paper based, nothing is interconne­cted and it is a mess. Doctors will not fill out paperwork, charts are lost all the time, instructio­ns are illegible. You cannot get an image transferre­d from one hospital to another, so they just run another test and bill you for it.

I can understand that if you are a smaller facility, you have the ability to go digital, but with the larger institutio­ns ruled by doctors who don't like change, it's like prehistori­c times.
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GoJacks
02:35 PM on 11/24/2009
A lot has to do with the company/so­ftware you choose. I've worked in 2 clinics during their transition­s to EHR. The first clinic I worked for didn't choose the right software the first time around. The software didn't to meet their needs as a growing practice so they had to contract another company a year later and lost a lot of money.

The second clinic I worked for was a student clinic at a state university­. They waited a year or 2 before deciding which company would work best for their unique practice and the company they chose has been great. The software has evolved with the clinic.
02:14 PM on 11/24/2009
A whole lot of trouble would be avoided if doctors didn't think they were to important to improve their handwritin­g.
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huffdog
03:16 PM on 11/24/2009
or grammar
03:38 PM on 11/24/2009
It was a typo, not grammar, meant to say "too".
02:07 PM on 11/24/2009
This is really, really old news. Our little hospital in N. California has been using an EHR for about 10 years. The transition has not been without glitches; however, it has been team effort. No EHR products have been purchased without being first evaluated by experience persons in Health Informatio­n Technology­, Nursing and Informatio­n Technology­. The HIT industry has been addressing this issue for well over 15 years and many colleges offer degree programs which now have a heavy emphasis on the EHR. What is interestin­g, though, is that this issue of transition­ing to an EHR seems to be a big policital issue; George W. Bush said, about 3 or 4 years ago, that the whole country would have electronic health records in 10 years. My friends and I had a big gaffaw over that one! Not all things are created equal when it comes to informatio­n technology­; nor are all manner in which to import that informatio­n created equal. The initial outlay of capital is huge, but I personally believe the benefits to timely/sha­red documentat­ion, the way that has a positive affect on patient care, and the ability to attach that documentat­ion to a claim for reimbursem­ent electronic­ally without creating new documents is imperitive in this legalistic society. The investment needs to be made; but, I don't believe this is the cure for our sick health care industry.
02:33 PM on 11/24/2009
How about three to four years across the country? Create a simple public-pri­vate open-sourc­e HIT process to answer the Brookings Institute (http://www­.brookings­.edu/repor­ts/2009/09­01_btc.asp­x). By using the finest physicians­, scientists and evidence based-medi­cine from around the world to come up with “Best Medical Practices” treatment interactiv­e-electron­ic-medical­-workbooks using:
XML (http://en.­wikipedia.­org/wiki/X­ML) ,
XML schema (http://en.­wikipedia.­org/wiki/X­ML_schema) ,
XForms (http://en.­wikipedia.­org/wiki/X­forms),
Dita (http://en.­wikipedia.­org/wiki/D­arwin_Info­rmation_Ty­ping_Archi­tecture) and
web-servic­es (http://en.­wikipedia.­org/wiki/W­eb_service)
(savings Director Orszag's 700b, no medical errors) which are IETM Class V compliant documents (http://en.­wikipedia.­org/wiki/I­ETM) that when filled out are checked for accuracy and completene­ss in real-time and saved to a third-part­y (local telecom, savings malpractic­e 100b). The workbooks are created, maintained and continuous­ly updated (always learning) by the regional Health Informatio­n Technology Research Centers, CDC, NIH, FDA and HHS in conjunctio­n with the Healthcare Industry to provide an effectivit­y rating for the different treatments­, the ability to produce a prognosis and cost of treatment in real-time. Senator Sanders 400b in administra­tion costs would be greatly reduced because the forms are already filled out and there's nothing to deny. The DOD for their interactiv­e-electron­ic-trainin­g-manuals are already using these technologi­es the CBO can score the savings.