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Biden's White House Role Changes With Afghan Decision

First Posted: 03/18/10 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 03:50 PM ET

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On the most fundamental matter at stake in the recent debate over the war in Afghanistan, Vice President Joseph Biden ultimately lost.

Weeks before President Barack Obama officially announced that 30,000 additional troops would be heading to a war in its eighth year, Biden was casting doubt on the wisdom of just such a move. Pointing out that the ratio of U.S. expenditures in Afghanistan compared to Pakistan is 30 to 1 -- despite the overwhelming presence of al Qaeda and nuclear weapons in the latter country -- he asked, quite simply, whether further escalation made "strategic sense".

The president decided that it did. And as a result, questions have surfaced about Biden's standing within the administration.

But White House aides say that despite being overruled on the troop-strength issue, the vice president scored some victories. He was able extract a specific date to begin troop withdrawals. He is also considered partly responsible for the new plan's focus on fighting al Qaeda rather than nation-building. And by openly challenging the wisdom of military command, aides say, Biden effectively cleared the way for other administration officials to weigh in with concerns of their own.

When the president finally phoned Gen. Stanley McChrystal and Ambassador Karl Eikenberry (a surge skeptic himself) to announce he had settled on 30,000 more troops, Biden was literally and figuratively right there next to him. And it was Biden who was out defending the policy the next day on the network morning shows.

"My view all along has been [that it's] less important what the number is than what the strategy is," Biden told Good Morning America on Wednesday. "The President's got the priorities right. The number of troops is much less important than that narrowed, clear strategy."

"Every principal involved, from Secretaries Gates and Clinton to Generals McChrystal and Petraeus to Vice President Biden, made important contributions to the final product," a senior administration said, declining to elaborate further.

But the public view of how Biden fared in the debate is mixed. One Democratic foreign policy strategist said it was "disheartening" to see the vice president -- who was tapped for his position "precisely because of his foreign policy experience" -- forced to gloss over the issue of military escalation as if it were of secondary importance.

Moreover, while Biden may have won a withdrawal date, subsequent testimony from administration officials on Capitol Hill has made it clear that the July 2011 target is more an aspiration than a carved-in-stone declaration.

Some foreign policy analysts have more complimentary takes. "What he did was to get the White House to focus on things other than the military," said Larry Korb, a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress. "He was the one who said 'Focus on Karzai here'; that 'you have to have an end date there'. He also pointed out that if Karzai doesn't make it, it doesn't matter what you do."

"There was a winnowed down set of objectives that was very Biden-esque," concurred Steve Clemons, a fellow at the New America Foundation. "He lost on the troop surge. He lost on the military footprint issue. What he won on was re-clarifying the focus. Their primary object is al Qaeda and their subordinate goal is to continue the economic security and political stabilization of Afghanistan and Pakistan. It's not nation building and it's not open-ended."

Clemons also argues that Biden played a key political role for the president, providing a heterodox element to a deliberative process that had been dominated by military voices. He was "the skunk at the picnic," Clemons said. And while such a role would traditionally place someone at the outer edges of the White House inner circle, it fit in with the narrative that the president has fostered a "team of rivals."

There is even, in certain corners, speculation that the vice president's anything-but-secret opposition to the surge was mostly for show. "It was a leak authorized at the very highest levels of the administration," said David Frum, a former George W. Bush adviser who knows a thing or two about White House communications strategy. "It was a play performed for the benefit of Congress so that the liberal members would feel -- in this theatrical performance of adjudication -- that their point of view was represented. I think we know very little about what Joe Biden thinks and feels. We know a great deal about what the administration would like us to think Joe Biden thinks and feels."

White House officials adamantly deny that the vice president was used as some sort of political pawn in the Afghan debate. Indeed, it is understood that within the administration, Biden had been arguing against a military ramp-up, essentially alone, since last spring --before other lower-level officials felt more at ease expressing their reservations.

"The vice president believes it is his job to give the president the best and most candid advice he can -- and to give it privately," said Jay Carney, Biden's spokesman.

In the end, the advice failed to move the president's hand on the key issue of troop strength. But it may have been enough to secure important strategic victories. At the very least, it showed that the vice president is comfortable staking out a dissenting position inside the administration and pulling people to his side -- even if means losing out in the end.

"My impression is that the president highly values Biden's contributions on foreign policy and, in particular, raising tough questions about the recommendations from the military on Afghanistan," said Thomas Mann, a government affairs expert at the Brookings Institution. "Those questions prompted a more serious review and more nuanced, less open-ended commitment. Biden is providing Obama with honest reactions and complete loyalty. I think his standing in the administration will remain strong."

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On the most fundamental matter at stake in the recent debate over the war in Afghanistan, Vice President Joseph Biden ultimately lost. Weeks before President Barack Obama officially announced that 30...
On the most fundamental matter at stake in the recent debate over the war in Afghanistan, Vice President Joseph Biden ultimately lost. Weeks before President Barack Obama officially announced that 30...
 
 
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02:08 PM on 12/05/2009
Vice President Biden is a winner and I say that as a fiscal conservative. Regardless of party affiliation I can’t imagine anyone disputing Biden’s foreign policy experience as possibly the best in active politics with only Bill Richardson coming in closely behind. He’s honest, trustworthy and although I may have disagreed with him on certain issues, I’ve never once questioned his motives or integrity. I wish the right had more members of such high caliber. On my side of the aisle you typically have the option of liking your candidate on a personal level but fearing giving them any position of influence or thinking they are very knowledgeable and adept despite being morally bankrupt. Biden’s only fault may be that he’s prone to what is regarded as “gaffes” but I would argue that comes from being plain spoken; hardly a character flaw.

I don’t see his position as contradictory. He presented a well thought out position about not seeing the strategic value in an increased presence, which I agree with. However after the President made his decision, the Vice President supported the President. It’s one of the duties of the Vice President, to essentially “sell” the decisions of the President to the public. Had he not done so he would have failed in his office and the media would have criticized him for creating a split in the administration. I hope someday Vice President Biden is given his due accolades for such a long distinguished service to the country.
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09:28 PM on 12/05/2009
I agree! No matter what opinions anyone has of Biden, demonstrates his knowledge of foeign affairs and he gets this right.
Definitely a valueable player to the Obama administration who has the utmost integrity and is very smart. We need a pull out plan and Biden won getting our top military officials to agree to a withdrawal date.
OMG are we lucky that there is no McCain/Palin ticket or we would never have an exist plan.
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mperl95
09:30 PM on 12/05/2009
I meant to spell foreign affairs correctly. Slip of the keys!
06:58 AM on 12/07/2009
That's okay. We read posterese.
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mountainweb
Conservative Commonsense
12:59 PM on 12/05/2009
Loser! Get over it and move on!
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StJames
In absentia luci tenebrae vincunt
12:24 PM on 12/05/2009
Once again the 'insiders' have demonstrated that back-stabbing is their greatest talent.

Joe Biden is doing exactly what his President wants him to do. Lending an experienced voice to foreign policy discussions and taking heat...when necessary. Anyone who claims he is being diminished is, I believe, engaging in wishful thinking.
07:00 AM on 12/07/2009
I think Obama will use Biden as much as he can. I think Biden's been around the buoy once or twice, and has met more than one politician like Obama.

I don't appreciate it when Obama sent Biden out to take the heat for him. Biden was not comfortable on the Jon Stewart show. It wasn't Biden's a$$hat decision, it was Obama. Yet Obama could not man up and make his own appearance.

I don't think Biden will allow himself to be diminished, not because of his political career, but because it would embarass his family.
11:53 AM on 12/05/2009
I thought Biden resigned, walked off in a Huff (ingt0n)? Didn't the new media political queen tell him that the world was black and white and he needed to stand by his principles at all costs? I don't understand... she's never wrong. But from reading this, it would appear that there are many subtleties and many layers of truth and PR that go into deciding and unveiling a complicated geopolitical military strategy. Huh.
06:40 AM on 12/07/2009
Do you really think she was serious when she said that?

She was pushing, as she usually does, to get someone to take a position on a subject they have indicated is very important to them.

I think it is absurd that Obama, whose only mlitary experience is appointing a Raytheon vice president and lobbyist to two administrations as his Deputy Secretary of Defense, thinks he knows better than Biden about the Middle East.

Clearly, Obama believes (and I bet that Raytheon president, William Lynn, is the one who convinced him of it) that he can't win a reelection without getting some foreign policy street cred from lots od de@d American soldiers in Afghanistan.

Biden is tres savvy and I bet he's figured out that Obama wants to be reelected so badly, he'd gladly send other peoples' children to their de@th in Afghanistan.

I hope Biden keeps his distance from Obama because, if the GOP takes back the house in 2010 and then goes on to impeach and then remove from office Obama, we need Biden to be as untainted by Obama's avarice and greed as possible.
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MountainPenelope
Hands off my micro-bio (& my Medicare)!
09:48 AM on 12/05/2009
Biden is and has always been a man who speaks his mind. However, he is the VICE president. I am certain he gave the president his opinion and I am certain the president listened. Because Obama has proven again and again that he listens. He takes into consideration ALL sides of a question before making a decision.

There is nothing in the contract that says the president has to follow 100 per cent of that advice.

Non-story. Move on.
07:03 AM on 12/07/2009
Especially when the president's mind was already made up.

Look, Obama appointed a vice president of Raytheon and lobbyist to 2 administrations as Deputy Secretary of Defense for a reason. Obama had to break a major campaign promise and open himself up to huge hits for major conflict of interest to do it.

The person Obama listened to for advice on Afghanistan was William Lynn, the Raytheon VP. Raytheon is one of our major defense contractors (Halliburton and Bechtel are the other two--Raytheon blo ws things up with their Tomahawk missles, and Halliburton rebuilds the blo wn up stuff).
DUSAA-1775
never moon a werewolf
09:08 AM on 12/05/2009
As VP, Biden's job is to do what the President asks him to do and break any ties in Senate voting. I think Biden knew that when he accepted the job.
07:04 AM on 12/07/2009
I think you are correct.

I also think that Biden had drown his own boundaries before he accepted the job. There's only so much he's going to do for Obama.
08:50 AM on 12/05/2009
Sam, how about putting together an article on the civilian side of the surge.
08:29 AM on 12/05/2009
Our President is no fool, he values Biden on all policy issues. Good thing they are both comfortable enough with themselves to handle discussion and dissension.

Reading the article you'd have thought pundit's were discussing a failed marriage!
01:48 AM on 12/05/2009
WINNER!!! I support this Vice President with unconditional faith and support.
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SparkyDash
Still a BFD
04:35 AM on 12/05/2009
You picked an excellent horse, AgentLady. VP Biden is a winner ;-)
07:58 PM on 12/04/2009
Maybe he hasn't lost. Being on public record against this decision is going to worth something sooner than most think.
07:04 AM on 12/07/2009
Oh, you are speaking to the choir now.
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Stormyfyre
07:43 PM on 12/04/2009
The HP is starting to sound more like TMZ. Keep up the bad work and Ill move on.
09:14 PM on 12/04/2009
Likewise.
08:30 AM on 12/05/2009
Are there any other news/chat sites that have the awesome direct reply capability?
06:58 PM on 12/04/2009
He was a loser when he took the VP job

He got no juice

he is just a punchline for the late night host
08:31 AM on 12/05/2009
Keep thinking that :)
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ztck5356
When in doubt, Google it.
04:40 PM on 12/04/2009
It is my opinion that Biden won. He got Obama to listen to his concerns which ultimately caused Obama to begin a long and intense search for the truth in Afghanistan. I feel better after Obama met with everyone he could to get everyone's opinion and then make his decision. At least Obama did not make this decision as the "Decider!" Remember him? It's better to listen before you "decide."

Our last President only listened to Cheney and look what that got us!
04:49 PM on 12/04/2009
agreed. Just because the President didn't follow Mr. Biden's advice this time doesn't mean he doesn't value that advice. I used to give my boss my very best advice, but I didn't get bent out of shape if he didn't choose to follow it. Making the decision was his job, not mine. The same here; I am encouraged that the President sought the advice of many before making the decision.
06:59 AM on 12/05/2009
agree, 5356
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04:22 PM on 12/04/2009
Why are you so gung ho to perpetuate chaos? This is a misleading article and another example of why Americans can't get their facts straight. Why is the he-said-she said mentality the only reality you find worth writing about?
04:21 PM on 12/04/2009
speculation, speculation, speculation..... HP stories are getting pretty horrible these days.