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Former Employers More Likely To Allege Misconduct By Laid-Off Workers Than In Past Recessions

First Posted: 03/18/10 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 03:50 PM ET

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Laid-off workers seeking unemployment benefits today are almost twice as likely as their counterparts during the recession of the 1980s to be accused of misconduct by their former employers.

From 1980 to 1982, when the unemployment rate crept toward 10 percent, employers told state unemployment insurance offices that laid-off workers seeking benefits had been fired for misconduct between 5.9 and 7.1 percent of the time, according to Labor Department data compiled by the National Employment Law Project. In 2008, after climbing steadily for the past 25 years, the rate of misconduct claims reached 13 percent.

More than 22 million people filed unemployment claims in 2008. For 2.8 million of them, employers said it was the workers' own fault.

"If you're fired from a job and they can establish that you were fired for misconduct, you can get disqualified from an unemployment benefit," said NELP deputy director Andrew Stettner. (Workers who quit voluntarily are also ineligible.) "There's a big incentive."

Employers have an incentive to see former workers disqualified because businesses pay an unemployment tax that varies depending on the amount of benefits collected by ex-employees. (Unemployment tax rates, as well as eligibility requirements for benefits, vary from state to state.) And that savings is big money for third-party companies that are paid by employers to process appeals of unemployment claims. The biggest company is TALX, a wholly-owned subsidiary of credit bureau Equifax. TALX reportedly removes "over $6 billion in unemployment claims liability annually."

Kate McHugh learned about TALX in February after losing her job at a Washington, D.C. clothing retailer where she'd worked for a year and a half. In May, after she'd been drawing $359 a week in unemployment benefits, she received a notice from the government that her former employer wanted to block the payouts because McHugh, 26, had been fired for misconduct.

"It was a bit of a life crusher," McHugh said. She called a lawyer.

The retailer must not have expected McHugh to fight back. Forced to prove her misconduct to an administrative law judge, the company claimed that she stole 10 minutes of company time by showing up late to work one day in January, and that she "falsified" her arrival time on a malfunctioning punch clock. That was it.

The judge essentially laughed the retailer out of the courtroom, writing in his decision affirming McHugh's benefits that her former employer provided no evidence that she'd attempted to falsify her arrival time. Even if she had, the judge wrote, "A single alleged incident of incorrectly reporting arrival time, creating a discrepancy of five to ten minutes, does not rise to the level of misconduct for purposes of the unemployment compensation statute."

The retailer outsourced its appeal of McHugh's benefits to TALX. According to a press release, the company's Unemployment Cost Management program "lowers unemployment costs by streamlining day-to day unemployment claims processing, conducting benefit charge recoveries, and assisting with the hearing and appeals process."

A TALX spokesperson declined to provide details about how much business the company has been doing in the unemployment arena, but did say that business is up as employers try to cut costs.

"We have had an incremental increase in the unemployment business, but it's not as a result of employers getting more aggressive," the spokesperson said. "It's simply that the load is getting so big at this point that they need help with it so that nobody falls through the cracks."

Doug Holmes, president of an organization called UWC Strategic Services, which represents businesses in unemployment matters, stressed that it's the state that determines whether a person receives benefits and that there's nothing nefarious about employers providing information. Companies like TALX, he said, smooth the process.

"[Workers] are not entitled to be paid until a determination has been made that they became unemployed through no fault of their own," he said.

"At a time when many employees are economically dependent, they don't have income, they can't hire a lawyer, there's no legal service provided to them, they will be overwhelmed by such an allegation and not contest it," said McHugh's lawyer, Steve Mercer, who represented her pro bono. "The shame of it is that -- looking at [McHugh's] case as an example -- when an allegation of theft is challenged, look how quickly it falls apart once it's scrutinized."

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Laid-off workers seeking unemployment benefits today are almost twice as likely as their counterparts during the recession of the 1980s to be accused of misconduct by their former employers. From 198...
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08:50 PM on 12/16/2009
Unless you are working for a small crappy company (as opposed to a big crappy company), you get an exit review unless you are fired out of hand for cause (drunk, drugged out, belligerant, dangerous, etc.). Your best chance to cut the best deal for yourself is at the exit review:

(1) In your opinion this is an wrongful discharge. Don't enter into a debate, but be firm.
(2) Insist that you be made whole (severance, cost for relocation, breaking leases, things of this nature, cost of medical coverage, etc..)
(3) Say clearly that you've never been so humiliated and degraded in your life.
(4) DEMAND your expectations and demand things in writing.

Employers are afraid of wrongful discharge suits. A few thousand $ in settlement is a lot cheaper than potential litigation.

You won't get everything, but you will walk away satisfied-- and vindicated. BUT If you blow the exit review, you lose.



But you *gotta* keep focussed and cool at the exit review.
02:21 AM on 12/05/2009
Part III – When I received my letter of determination from the Unemployment Office it stated that I was fired for “poor job performance.” On a separate sheet of paper in the letter it had “Employee didn’t return a phone call,” and “Employee has a poor attitude.” That’s it, nothing else.

One of my other coworkers was “fired” for “stealing.” On a separate sheet of paper in his letter of determination it had written, “Employee failed to show up on time.” That’s it, nothing else. He was also salaried, so I guess they consider that stealing. Never mind that he worked an 80 hour week.

The other coworker was an HR specialist. He is a gay and he was “fired” for “sexually harassing a male coworker.” That’s it, nothing else. That’s all that was written on that piece of paper.

I worked pretty closely with both of these guys and I do not believe any of this. I’d hire both of them in a heart beat. I’m aghast at the lengths the company went to save a few bucks. Apparently the more people they lay off, the more they have to pay into the unemployment coffers.

Thanks for publishing this article Arthur, and I hope my comments can help someone else.
01:42 AM on 12/05/2009
Part II - I got in touch with several other employees that were laid off around the same time I was and they had all had similar experiences. Are you detecting a trend? I went to see a lawyer post haste. The lawyer said that this was a real hearing - you are sworn in - and that anything you say can and will be held against you if this goes to trial later. He told me to get my ducks in a row, to come prepared and to use this as an opportunity for "discovery." He said to ask as many questions as I could think of and to demand written proof of any allegations. He said the chances of them being able to produce anything we slim and that would be documented in the transcripts. He also said that this is a blatant intimidation tactic and that about half the time the employee doesn't show up or if they do, they are unprepared, and the company wins and ends up not having to pay the benefits.

I called my former coworkers that were still working for this vortex of evil and told them what had happened and that I was pursuing legal action. I don't know if it made it through the grapevine but three days before the hearing, the company dropped the case. The other employees that were "laid-off" with me had their cases dropped too.
01:41 AM on 12/05/2009
I also experienced what the article illustrates. I was told by the VP of HR that I was being laid off. I'd been there 11 months, and they offered me a "severance" in exchange for signing a letter saying I wouldn't sue them. I took the money and got the hell out of dodge. A week later the unemployment office called me and told me that I had been fired. I told her that the VP of HR said I was laid off and I even got a severance. I've never heard of anyone being fired getting a severance. Then she tells me I was fired for "poor performance." What? I told her there must be some kind of mistake. She said, "No, this happens all the time." Luckily I had a copy of my last, very good review. The woman on the phone told me to "keep it, you might need that later." The unemployment office made the determination I was fired through no fault of my own and would be awarded UC.

Several weeks later I received a letter from the Department of Labor stating that I was to report to a hearing, that my employer was contesting the determination. Actually, it wasn't my employer, it was an "Unemployment Insurance Consultant" that had filed the rebuttal on behalf of my former employer. Apparently companies hire these low lifes to contest every single claim!
06:10 PM on 12/04/2009
I was hoping for FDR 2.0, but instead its become waffling 2.0, deficit 2.0, banking 2.0, Afghanistan 2.0. Iraq 2.0, Guantanamo 2.0

hat tip to: http://financeopinionss.blogspot.com
so much for job creation. Unemployment falls a whole .2% and the MSM is calling it a recovery. what a joke
02:46 PM on 12/04/2009
My exemployer lied to the worker's compensation carrier when they received a bill from the hospital Emergency Room where I sought treatment after I was hurt on the job in front of witnesses.The boss even stated to my face at the time, "That's work comp!"

A month after the injury I received a letter from the carrier stating..."your employer has decided to deny you workers' compensation benefits." Stated had no knowledge of the injury, never happened, etc. What rubbish!! I had to file for a hearing to get the adjuster to even call me about the injury. He recorded a deposition and finally got the employer to admit I was hurt on the job and the carrier paid the whole big $600 reduced-price-for -insurance company- this debacle was a result of.
02:30 PM on 12/04/2009
those creepy employers need their knees sh..ot off
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12:30 AM on 12/05/2009
agreed.
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Alexandre Laudet
12:34 PM on 12/04/2009
And we are looking to these same businesses to create jobs and rescue the economy? Employees have become dispensable to companies, there is no longer a sense of appreciation for employees who have shown loyalty to their firm - if employers can get away with claiming misconduct to minimize their bill you bet some will go that route. And as the article states, most aggrieved employees are at their most vulnerable and cannot sue.
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01:51 PM on 12/04/2009
That's why employees should not have loyalty to the company.

If a company wants loyalty, they can get a dog. Employees really need to look out for themselves first.
02:36 PM on 12/04/2009
Throughout the course of my last job, the employer repeatedly made false accusations - everything from stealing a check to tracking flower blossoms onto the office floor. I knew when I was told I was being laid off, when the employer stated - "You 'should' be able to collect unemployment' that person had a few dirty tricks up their sleeve to cheat me later.
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04:37 PM on 12/04/2009
get a dog? from a cat profile photo, uh oh...
seriously, unfortunately you are right. With a few exceptions companies no longer value their employees
Nor do businesses value their customers, I think the term 'customer service' has become a joke...But that's another story
12:23 PM on 12/04/2009
The employers should have NO INPUT AT ALL when it comes to unemployment compensation. If the employee is qualified because of time worked it should be irrelevant why the person was laid off. If there is any wrong doing of the employee causing the lay off there could be a limited time of loss of benefits as punishment. But here we have the denial just to save the employer money. They should have to pay in to the fund and nothing else. Why allow them to decide who gets benefits at all? They are interested parties and have gains if they deny.
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12:10 PM on 12/04/2009
Yes always fight because the burden of proof is on the employer. In AZ you can have a hearing over the phone.
01:25 PM on 12/04/2009
I had to wait months for a hearing in PA. The employer did not show up - was busy away on an extended vacation while I waiting and worried with threatening letters and demands for re-payment of the one week of benefits it did receive, coming in from the State for months. I had to present my case in front of a mediator who found in my favor. Then the employer appealed. Then the employer withdrew the appeal the day before my second hearing. My blood pressure skyrocketed over the past six months. I guess the ex was hoping I would croak from all the stress.
12:10 PM on 12/04/2009
American labor law stinks. In Texas employers pay on the average $90. per year per employee to fund unemployment compensation. Many pay nothing at all and the fines are near zero, why would they pay? They fight even the little compensation that is paid in Texas, ONLY about 1/3rd of the unemployed qualify for any kind of compensation. If the government extends benefits it still leaves most unemployed by the wayside with NOTHING. The system is a joke.
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11:53 AM on 12/04/2009
Always fight this. ALWAYS.

Most times you can do it on your own. I've had two employers contest my unemployment. This is actually becoming SOP for companies now so this is no surprise.

I was able to prove both times I was not fired "for cause" and was able to get my unemployment reinstated.
12:01 PM on 12/04/2009
Abso-BLOOMIN'-lutely. Fight fight fight. Hang in there, you will have your day in court. It's a terrible mess to go through in the meantime, though.
12:13 PM on 12/04/2009
Fight it in the RIGHT to WORK states where the state laws are against labor, you are not likely to win even if you can hire a lawyer. If people would win they would scream for tort reform and the stupid people would vote to support it. I live in Texas, I know how stupid middle class people can be.
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01:49 PM on 12/04/2009
Yep. Sometimes you don't even have to go to court. Here in Texas, both times my "hearing" was on the phone. Just have to be available. They conference call the employer and employee.

I don't remember if judgment was made at that moment.
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11:51 AM on 12/04/2009
I was accused years ago of defacing blueprints...I wrote measurements that we required for the job on them, they were photocopies, that was standard practice ! That was enough...I was rejected for unemployment benefits.
I learned from that, now I document everything that occurs that affects me, or can be useful.
Today I suggest that if enough employees are given the boot for apparently no reason, to hire a private investigator to get information on their employer. That way you can reverse where the power lies.
12:04 PM on 12/04/2009
That does not sound like wrongful misconduct. You got cheated. I am sorry that happened to you.
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11:49 AM on 12/04/2009
I've been through this. I worked for a subdivision of Fidelity Investments that was harassing employees, trying to get them to quit and also trying to build fictitious cases against them to fire them instead of laying them off. One employee came across a strategy document listing several names (including mine) calling for firing without having to pay unemployment.

http://wiredgypsy.com/new-depression-infidelity.htm
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11:42 AM on 12/04/2009
Want to bet your next paycheck on it, that is, if you have a job?