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Obama Afghanistan War Plan Set To Get Congress' Backing, Despite Misgivings

ANNE FLAHERTY and PAULINE JELINEK   12/ 3/09 08:43 PM ET   AP

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WASHINGTON — Facing the prospect of more American deaths in Afghanistan as the war escalates, lawmakers lashed out at neighboring Pakistan on Thursday as an unreliable ally that could spare the U.S. its bruising fight with al-Qaida if it wanted.

"They don't seem to want a strategic relationship," New Jersey Democratic Sen. Bob Menendez said of the government in Islamabad. "They want the money. They want the equipment. But at the end of the day, they don't want a relationship that costs them too much."

A crucial ally in fighting the al-Qaida terrorist network, Pakistan is also a major recipient of U.S. aid. President Barack Obama and Congress recently approved a $7.5 billion aid package for economic and social programs in Pakistan in a bid to strengthen the civilian government there.

But many in Congress have grown skeptical that Islamabad is doing all it can to drive out al-Qaida forces hiding along its mountainous Afghan border. Those doubts reached a new pitch this week after Obama's announcement that he will send 30,000 more U.S. troops to Afghanistan by next fall, with the anticipation that they would start coming home in July 2011.

Obama has not said whether or how the troop buildup would accelerate attacks on the terrorist network hiding in Pakistan. The U.S. has previously relied on drone-launched missile strikes, and those operations are classified.

"It is not clear how an expanded military effort in Afghanistan addresses the problem of Taliban and al-Qaida safe havens across the border in Pakistan," said Sen. Richard Lugar, the top Republican on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

Rep. Ike Skelton of Missouri, a leading conservative Democrat, said Obama's strategy was the nation's best shot but that Pakistan could end the war if it wanted.

"Conversely, if Pakistan were to return to old habits of supporting the Afghan Taliban, the war may be almost impossible to win," he said.

Obama has sought to assure lawmakers – and the rest of the world – that he sees Pakistan inextricably linked to Afghanistan. In his speech on Tuesday, the president said both governments were "endangered" because of al-Qaida.

"The stakes are even higher within a nuclear-armed Pakistan, because we know that al-Qaida and other extremists seek nuclear weapons, and we have every reason to believe that they would use them," he said in his speech from West Point.

Testifying for the second day on Obama's new war plan, the president's chief military and diplomatic advisers said Pakistan was a critical component of the strategy.

"We have a lot of work to do in trying to convince them that we're not trying to take over their country, that we're not trying to take control of their nuclear weapons, and that we are actually interested in a long-term partnership with them," said Defense Secretary Robert Gates.

Several Democrats, including Menendez and Sen. Russ Feingold of Wisconsin, have threatened to withhold their support for more money for the war, although lawmakers said it was unlikely that Congress would try to block the deployments. Instead, members from both parties say they want to find a way to pay for the troop increase that won't add to the deficit.

In a press conference Thursday, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said she did not support a proposal by Wisconsin Democratic Rep. David Obey that would have imposed a war tax on most Americans.

Pelosi, D-Calif., said the first step should be an all-hands briefing to Congress by Obama's top advisers.

"We have to handle it with care, listen to what they present, and then members will make their decision," she said.

The results of the billions in U.S. aid to Pakistan have been mixed. While the army has taken on the Pakistani Taliban, it has failed to go after Afghan Taliban leaders who base their operations in the tribal areas in the border region. At the same time, anti-Western sentiment in Pakistan has grown.

Many Western officials and analysts believe Pakistan is playing both sides – accepting U.S. money to crack down on militants while tolerating the Afghan Taliban in case the radical Islamic movement gains control in Afghanistan once the American troops withdraw.

Officials estimate there are 500 al-Qaida fighters and 50,000 Taliban militants in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

For its part, Pakistan has been cautious in its response to Obama's plan. In London on Thursday, Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani declined to endorse the U.S.-led troop increase and said his government needs more information.

Gates said he initially opposed the idea of a troop increase because he feared it would make the U.S. footprint in Afghanistan too heavy. He said he also was hesitant to set a timeline on when troop withdrawals would begin.

But he said he was ultimately convinced by Gen. Stanley McChrystal, the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, that the size of the force was less important than the mission troops would be given. His colleagues also convinced him that setting a date to start withdrawals would help encourage the Afghans to take more responsibility, Gates said.

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton on Friday will take the administration's case for escalating the war to NATO's top council, where McChrystal will attend a foreign ministers meeting. Clinton said she expects the allies to make new troop contributions in the 5,000 to 7,000 range.

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Associated Press National Security Writer Robert Burns in Washington and AP writers Raphael G. Satter and Gregory Katz in London contributed to this story.

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05:26 AM on 12/04/2009
Any Dem who supports this "surge" should consider themselves at risk come election. I will not vote for any who support this and that includes Obama.
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PaxEterna
09:10 AM on 12/04/2009
My sentiments exactly.
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sposton
right to tell what they don't want to hear
10:28 AM on 12/04/2009
They don't care because they know you will not vote for Republican­s. And Republican­s do the same to their supporters­. They've got you by the b@lls. The only way is to dump both Democrats and Republican­s. The choice between these two kleptocrat­ic agents is not a choice at all.
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Poorsarah
01:01 AM on 12/04/2009
Unfortunat­ely, our govt. is ignoring history. The Soviet Union, at the height of its power, could not overtake Afghanista­n. Great Britain could not overcome Afghanista­n. 30,000 more troops on the ground? Afghanista­n's strength is their ground game...why is our military trying to defeat Afghanista­n with their strength? If our military wants to end this quickly and effectivel­y, wouldn't an unrelentin­g air assault be more our strongsuit for combat? Our chances of defeating Afghanista­n with the ground game may not prove to be successful­...LISTEN TO HISTORY.
07:45 PM on 12/03/2009
During their grief, they are sending their bagmen over to the arms merchants for
payment #1.
06:33 PM on 12/03/2009
I will not vote for my congressme­n if they support Obama's war.
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03:25 PM on 12/03/2009
The question that most of us seem to either miss or dismiss is this.
If this world's wealthiest­, most technoligi­cally advanced military and MIC cannot sieze control of 2 countries that collective­ly are about the size of two Texas' after 8 long and arduous years against the Taliban (with no military) and various rag-tag insurgenci­es...what makes anyone believe for a moment that the Taliban could possibly be a genuine national threat to this country that takes up the better part of a continent, halfway around the globe?
So I think this whole "Taiban is a national threat" business is way beyond exaggerati­on and a long stretch from accurate assessment of the situation for the purpose of justifying the expanding and continuing of our occupation there.
From where I sit, we are under no threat to our nation. And if our national defense systems should choose not to be AWOL again, ever, in the event of another large yet random act of violence such as September, 2001 we will remain no less safe and secure as we are at this very moment.
Ask the right questions people. Don't get caught up in the sparkly things.
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PaxEterna
09:13 AM on 12/04/2009
The rhetoric grows more hollow every year. This phony war in Afghistan, and the next door war being waged by the CIA in Pakistan that no one talks about, is the wave of the future.

Obama plans on dispatchin­g US forces wherever Al Quaeda is supposed to be . . .

This will keep our young men and women employed, grow the economy through the military and related sectors, and supposedly protect our global national interests. Among ohter things NOT being said, is this way we can secure precious fossile fuels for Americans, no matter what climate change comes down.

I do not want to be an American if this goes down
02:30 PM on 12/03/2009
Viet Nam redux with no gas in the tank this time.
We should be asking what the Chinese Central Committee and the Politburo will determine. They are financiing this and will no doubt use our further indebtedne­ss to further squeeze concession­s on the world and our domestic stages like a python smothers it's prey.
America will squander it's treasure and army, as so many before, in far away, ancient and modern lands where empires have fallen and turned back to sand
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PaxEterna
09:17 AM on 12/04/2009
I tend to agree on spiritual grounds. if the only way we can survive and perpetuate our values is by waging war, the cosmic forces will line up against us (as they already are) and hasten our demise.

I believe the strategy is much larger than is being stated. War by Americans around the globe, under some phony banner of protecting freedom, will become a way of life for this country.

Why? If for no other reason that secure precious fossil fuels for Americans as climate change threatens the planet.

We'll go down like the Titanic . . . and for all the same reasons, chief among them being arrogance and greed.
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12:50 PM on 12/03/2009
As usual...th­e country is in the septic tank and far too many people use the opportunit­ies given them to speak out by trying to generate a good spin for their party of preference­.
There's only one party people.
That's why no matter who is in the White House or who has the majority in Congress evrything still remains a mess.
Look at the economy, unemployme­nt, outsourcin­g of jobs to foriegn countries, uneven trade agreements­, rising taxes, devalued currency, Iraq, Afhghanist­an, Iran,Pakis­tan, past wars, our inefficien­t and hobbling social programs and ineffectiv­e regulatory system... All of these things took decades and both the Republican­s and the Democrats working in tandem to get this country this funky.
So the next time you think you have to defend your poitical party by blaming or berating the other one....con­sider whether you're just blowing smoke up your own skirt because we only have one party in America.
And it has been failing us for a long, long time.
nilotic
Proud progressive, heckling backbencher
01:25 PM on 12/03/2009
Very true.
02:22 PM on 12/03/2009
Agree. The sheep minded are so blinded by their own self righteousn­ess, that they fail in everything they want to do. It's as if adults turn into little children. Both parties do this btw.
12:12 PM on 12/03/2009
What is the current approval rating for congress? Is it a positive or negative number?
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DredLockRasta
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11:49 AM on 12/03/2009
I'm amazed and flabergast­ed at these Obama supporters who are now shocked at the troop increase he's authoring. Recall during the campaign folks, how Obama made his foreign policy bona fides? Recall how he said Iraq was the wrong war and that Afghanista­n was the right war, and how he would focus on it and send more troops as president. And everyone hooted and hollered YES! Do you remember that folks? I tell ya, what is wrong with this country is that we allow id.iots to vote. You folks who don't understand the issues just stay home, disengage from politics. I'm a vet and want very much to see an end to the war, but Afghanista­n has been neglected because of Iraq. The troops in Afghanista­n want more forces there to get the job done right. They are profession­al and want to succeed before coming home.
nilotic
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12:11 PM on 12/03/2009
Most of us know that Obama presented himself as a hawk in terms of Afghanista­n and even Pakistan during the campaign. Obama indicated that he would send two or three additional brigades to Afghanista­n, so the scope has certainly increased since the campaign. Additional­ly, 17,000 troops were already sent earlier this year.

"And everyone hooted and hollered YES! Do you remember that folks?" No, not all of us, so speak for yourself. I'm not sure why it's hard for you to understand that a vote for Obama was not an endorsemen­t of all of his positions - look at the alternativ­e.
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DredLockRasta
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01:01 PM on 12/03/2009
Doesn't mean you agree with all his positions, but when he follows thru on one that you didn't like, don't get upset and wonder where is the guy u voted for.
05:27 PM on 12/03/2009
You are absolutely correct! I voted ffor Obama, but I am TOTALLY against this war. I guess he doesn't have enough courage to do the right thing. Obama made the easy choice. Otherwise, he would have to go against the status quo and I'm sorry, but "change we can believe in" is NOT happening! There's an election in 2012 - and if Obama doesn't get his s#!t together, my vote will not go to him.
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11:45 AM on 12/03/2009
One day these meat puppets will heed their misgivings and we'll actuall say "no" to involving ourselves in a war scenario.
One can only hope.
Our culture, being as advanced as it is, remains the best argument against evolution that I could possibly have ever come up with myself.
We approach everything and everyone on this planet, the same way it was done 4,000 years ago. We have simply become much more effective at removing people and things that seem to be in our way.
11:16 AM on 12/03/2009
Well support it they should. Perhaps some of them can remember that Washington was a target on 9/11. Most NYers sure remember. And after so many years of neglect going after those ACTUALLY RESPONSIBL­E for that horrible day, we should all be behind the president.
11:28 AM on 12/03/2009
the taliban did 911?
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11:49 AM on 12/03/2009
No debris, no jet engines, no luggage, no bodies and no hole large enough to be made by the wings of a jet.
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Truth as I see it
10:45 AM on 12/03/2009
Have all the anti war protesters left the building. What about those who say the 2 wars are illegal.

What has to happen in Afghanikst­an to call whatever a victory.

If the troops head in in 2010 and out starting July 2011. Does that mean the U.S. believes in a yr to 18 months that the US. govt and military can find honest people to be President and regional governors of Afghanista­n. Honest people to run the military and police forces.

Is it within the real of possibilit­y all we will do is createffic­ient organizati­ons that could easily topple the govt and make for a more efficient drug trade and possibly use the new armies to threaten neighbors like Pakistan which is already unstable.

We would be better off leaving now. The majority of these troops will remain for another 8 years.
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12:17 PM on 12/03/2009
That's nutshell accurate.
We will declare victory only when we say it's a victory in Afghanista­n and anywhere else we have troops in the ME fighting a phantom menace and an Orwellian conceived enemy that can neither bespecific­ally identified or isolated.
There's no one to negotiate a surrender and no one to sign a surrender.
Therefore, this "war" on t3rr0r will extend over time, any where our leadership and military wish it to go and will remain in those areas as long as there is a single act of random violence, even if we reduce said violence to less than what we have right here on the streets of America each day.
This is how the progrom (sic) was designed, how it has been implemente­d and how it continues year after year with countries already pending to receive the influx of American troops.
It's Von Munchausan by proxy on a global scale and no less an illness that when an individual suffers from the disorder.
A MIC's dream rather than an American dream.
10:20 AM on 12/03/2009
Nov. 2 2010 is drawing closer. I'm not voting for a single supporter of this war. I suspect many more will not either. Hopefully the CBC can help block funding of this war.
Grunty1
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10:26 AM on 12/03/2009
So at the end of the day, you'll end up supporting people who 1) started the war in the first place and 2) made it a compete disaster.
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10:42 AM on 12/03/2009
He didn't say that.
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11:31 AM on 12/03/2009
He most certainly did not.
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DredLockRasta
I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV.
11:42 AM on 12/03/2009
Did u vote for Obama? Were you listening when he said that Afghanista­n needed more troops, during the campaing? Now he's fullfillin­g his promise, and you are shocked? Try comprehend­ing the issues before voting next time!!!!
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12:33 PM on 12/03/2009
You'll rest on "what Obama said..." as far as extending war, but seem rather silent about "what Obama said" about an immediate withdrawl from Iraq, on his first day in office.
Your alligence to the MIC is endearing.
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kmswriter
You can't handle the truth
10:13 AM on 12/03/2009
But noone seems to look at the funds required to keep US forces on the border w/n Korea since the 1950s..my, we have such a short memory....­and mccain is pathetic - like he has credibilit­y???? No timetable - really? from an earlier post that needs to be brought to the attention of those on the right who claim to support our troops:
Mccain
Voted against holding Bush accountabl­e for his actions in the war (2003))
Opposed Increasing Spending on TRICARE and Giving Greater Access to National Guard and Reservists (2003)
Opposed $500 Million for Counseling Services for Veterans with Mental Disorders (2003)
Opposed an Assured Funding Stream for Veterans' Health Care (2006)
Voted Against Adding More Than $400 Million for Veterans' Care (2006)
Supported Outsourcin­g VA Jobs (2007)
Opposed the 21st Century GI Bill Because It Was Too Generous (2008)
Proposal plan that Would Increase Costs For Veterans Because His Plan Relies On Private Hospitals Which Are More Expensive and Which Could Also Lead To Further Rationing Of Care (2008)
Voted Against Establishi­ng a $1 Billion Trust Fund for Military Health Facilities (2006)
Opposed efforts to end the overextens­ion of the military (2007)
Announced his willingnes­s to keep U.S. troops in Iraq for decades (2008)
Voted against a ban on waterboard­ing (2008) [move that could endanger American troops]
Supported Outsourcin­g at Walter Reed (2006, 2008)
Consistent­ly opposed any plan to withdraw troops from Iraq (2005, 2006 twice, 2007 six times) - this from mccain

Turning AZ blue
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pj-smith
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09:58 AM on 12/03/2009
the secret meeting to tell Congress the "real picture" about the Afghanista­n situation may have gone like this:

Obama: "the only stable sector of our economy is the Mil-i-tary In-dust-ri­al com plex.
so if we don't want the economy to tank any further, I suggest you vote yea."

Congress: "Ok"