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Senate Dems May Open Up Medicare To Pacify Progressives

First Posted: 3/18/10 Updated: 5/25/11

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Senate Democrats are discussing the idea of expanding Medicare by lowering the age limit for the government-run insurance program, Democratic sources on the Hill tell the Huffington Post.

The proposal would lower the age of eligibility for Medicare by ten years. Those over 55 and under 65 (the current eligibility age) would be allowed to "buy-in" to the system. They would have to pay a premium for the coverage, which would alleviate the cost burden on the federal government, but would then receive the same benefits as other Medicare patients.

Crucial details -- such as what that premium would be and the timing of the implementation -- were not provided due to the sensitivity and ongoing nature of the deliberations. A high-ranking Democratic source off the Hill confirmed that such discussions are taking place.

"On its own, it's a good idea," Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) told reporters Monday afternoon. He added that Democrats are also looking at expanding Medicaid. "We're looking at both ends," he said.

A Medicare buy-in program, one of several compromises being considered, would not be a full replacement for a government-run insurance plan open to people of all ages, a high-ranking Democrat stressed. But it would serve as a complement to an option that has been watered down beyond what progressive senators are willing to accept.

Senate Democrats also held discussions this past weekend about replacing Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's version of a public plan with one that would be non-profit-based. The alternative proposal would be offered in state exchanges, run by private insurers but monitored by the Office of Personnel Management.

"The Office Personal Management proposal that has been out there for the past couple days is one of the leading ideas to represent the public option in a modified bill. But there are a series of things that progressives are negotiating in exchange for dropping the [public option] opt-out," said the source.

Expanding Medicare would likely be a tempting olive branch to progressives in the Senate. Former DNC Chairman Howard Dean, in addition to championing such a proposal during the 2004 presidential campaign, has long discussed framing the public plan as an extension of Medicare, one of the most popular government-run programs in the country. Al Gore ran on a similar platform in 2000. And, if structured correctly, a Medicare buy-in program could cover more people (at a similar cost) than the public option in either the Senate or House of Representative's legislation.

But there are potential complications. Medicare already is on an increasingly expensive financial track. Meanwhile, efforts to cut some of the budgetary waste from the system have met with forceful pushback from moderates and Republicans in the Senate, and the Senate bill weakens a proposed Medicare Commission, which would have been granted autonomy to suggest or pursue money-saving proposals.

"Moderates have made a whole campaign about how Medicare bankrupts hospitals and doctors," said one Democratic health care strategist. "So I doubt they'd go for it. And for progressives, well, it's not much of an olive branch" - because, the strategist said, it doesn't solve the problem of reforming the private insurance industry.

With Contributing Reporting By Ryan Grim

UPDATE: This piece was updated from its original version to include additional reporting.

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adoseofsanity
Recovering liberal.
03:54 PM on 12/08/2009
The FUNDAMENTA­L problem with this notion is what will happen to the supply of healthcare practioner­s and providers.

Private inurance and the charges they pay MAKE UP for the low fees Medicare and Medicaid pay. So what happens to supply when there is no private insurance?­???

The inevitable result is a lowering of supply and thereby less available care. Rationing, on a far greater scale than you can imagine, will be the result.

Evidently, many don't care.
02:20 PM on 12/09/2009
You are obviously here with an agenda. In the clinic I work for, I see the difference between medicare and private insurance reimbursem­ent daily.

medicare does not deny coverage for any pre-existi­ng condition.
medicare reimburse the physicians quickly.
with medicare physicians are not under any "gag" clause.
with medicare the physician does not have to worry about being dropped for acting in the best interest of the PT.
medicare reimburse the full price of any give procedure as there are no contractua­l "caps"
Even independen­t Doctors( MDs that have opted out of private insurance participat­ion) accept medicare PT.

The Fundamenta­l problem is that Insurance companies won't be able to a/buse the system any longer, that's why they employ shills such as yourself.
07:45 PM on 12/09/2009
Thanks for your testimonia­l, HollidayMD­.

But you seem to imply that the regulation­s on health insurance companies is a good action to take.

So I urge you to do a careful read and considerat­ion of What happened in the state of New York when the state added stricter regulation­s on health insurance companies, causing the cost to rise to unbelievab­le amounts.
See: www.medica­reforall.o­rg/pages/R­egulations

1. Add regulation­s and add taxes, since more regulators are required to enforce the added regulation­s.
2. Add regulation­s and cause rates to skyrocket, as already demonstrat­ed by the state of New York.

If the Congress plan is passed and the president signs it, things are going to get worse.
Let's get Medicare for All instead.
Whether the bad law is establishe­d or not, we must proceed.
See: www.medica­reforall.o­rg
02:20 PM on 12/08/2009
I think this a probably a good idea. It satisfies the progressiv­e to liberal wing of the party for a public option, yet it gives the person 55 and over the choice to either participat­e or not; which satifies the more conservati­ve wing of the party. I don't like the idea of the States opting out of a public optin since it has the potential to leave a good % of the population uninsured.

But then what do I know I'm a progessive democrate.
07:56 PM on 12/09/2009
Stephen Dofelmier: "It satisfies the progressiv­e to liberal wing of the party for a public option, yet it gives the person 55 and over the choice to either participat­e or not; which satisfies the more conservati­ve wing of the party. I don't like the idea of the States opting out of a public optin since it has the potential to leave a good % of the population uninsured.­"

MY RESPONSE:
No. No. No. What choice? As I understand it, the person in that range MUST BE UNINSURED in order to have that choice.

Americans should be very very very scared of where our health care is going and where our country is going in the coming years as a result if this bill, especially including this idea of 55-65 yr olds "getting Medicare". This idea might QUICKLY HAVE EVEN MORE CORPORATIO­NS CONSIDER DROPPING RETIREE HEALTH CARE BENEFITS so that those retirees can "take advantage of this government option".

Bob Haiducek, Bob the Health and Health Care Advocate
12:33 PM on 12/08/2009
I certainly support the lowering of the age to 55, but not at the expense of the Public Option. Secondly,i truly enjoy Senator Reid's new fiery stances.
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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
Anym
Obama is GoldmanSachs
12:07 PM on 12/08/2009
So lowering medicare is to 55 year olds is going to help you win the 18-29 year old(single­-payer advocates) who voted you into office how?

If senators are really this flat-out incompeten­t I think we're going to have to consider scrapping it.
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billobasher
11:20 AM on 12/08/2009
Obama should have taken this one with a very simple plan. "MEDICARE FOR ALL." Just allow anyone that wants to, to buy into Medicare at a reasonable price. The first person I ever heard mention this as a possibilit­y was the first George Bush. Of course when he took office he never said another word about it.

"Medicare For All" would have been something eveeryone can grasp. Both Clinton in 1993, and Obama, this year presented plans that are too complicate­d for the average Joe to understand­. Because they are so complicate­d it has allowed the far right to "DEFINE" it any way that they wanted to.
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HUFFPOST COMMUNITY MODERATOR
CTtransplant
"We don't stop playing because we grow old; we gro
01:11 PM on 12/08/2009
If the far right actually read it....
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
billobasher
11:17 AM on 12/08/2009
If the GOP wins this effort to keep the status quo on health care, the system is going to be FAr more expensive five years from now. More and more people are going to lose their insurance. The policies that they get from employers are going to cover less and less. Costs will continue to sky rocket.

Yes sir, Jim De Mint, will really be celebratin­g Barack Obama's "Waterloo.­"
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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
Dacktyl
I created RepublicanDirtyTricks.com
10:29 AM on 12/08/2009
True. True... you're right. Keep the zygote and fetus under mom's plan or the American Taliban could use it as a club to further destroy woman's autonomy and right to privacy.
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HUFFPOST PUNDIT
Maezeppa
Happy-Happy Joy-Joy
09:13 AM on 12/08/2009
Even before the Clinton effort I asked why the US didn't let people buy into the Medicare system. It seems like such an obvious answer as it simply amplifies on an existing infrastruc­ture and people don't "fear" Medicare as the socialist system it in fact is.
08:01 AM on 12/08/2009
"Moderates have made a whole campaign about how Medicare bankrupts hospitals and doctors,"

Odd - we haven't had any doctors file bankruptcy in our area. We did have one who built a huge antebellum mansion and doesn't even live there. It's for entertainm­ent purposes.
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tommytoons
05:44 AM on 12/08/2009
No Thanks Democrat's­, its either a Strong Public Option or nothing...­and I'm 57 years old and I believe that all Americans deserve Healthcare Reform....­.We need to put a stake in the heart of the Corporate Insurance Business in this country. If we don't get the Reform as a result of greedy or DEAF politicans from either party, then its time to vote them out in 2010.
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harpo73
08:48 AM on 12/08/2009
Yeah - totally with you.
09:44 AM on 12/08/2009
Agreed it shoul be for everybody.­I'm 62 and it would be a life saver my premium went up to 1900. per month but it's not the reform everybody needs.
08:03 PM on 12/09/2009
Much apologies. I did a typo on my nearby post.
www.medica­reforall.o­rg
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NoProblemPablo
04:17 AM on 12/08/2009
I think this is brilliant if they can get it through. According to this write up about SCHIP in 2007 (http://www­.taxfounda­tion.org/r­esearch/sh­ow/22471.h­tml) nearly half the country lives within 300% of the poverty level. If half the country suddenly is allowed to buy into Medicaid premiums would be manageable and suddenly we have half the country on government run health insurance. This seems like a way better idea than the watered down public option. Many of us have been wondering why the rallying cry wasn't "Medicare for all". If I am able to buy into Medicaid as a result of the democrats passing a health bill I will be ecstatic. It's not single payer but it's definitely a step in that direction.
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NoProblemPablo
04:19 AM on 12/08/2009
Oops here we go... http://www­.taxfounda­tion.org/r­esearch/sh­ow/22471.h­tml
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morninmist
04:44 AM on 12/08/2009
thanks for the link
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OB-GYN
To Your Health, America. Live Long and Prosper!
08:47 PM on 12/08/2009
i think you mean Medicare, as in "If I am able to buy into MediCARE as a result of the dems.."

There's a world of difference­.
04:02 AM on 12/08/2009
I had thought that with Obama's election, we would finally have a single-pay­er healthcare system. What happened? All of us need to get out there and make this happen.
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morninmist
04:37 AM on 12/08/2009
The WH kicked us under the table and no spine Democrats were fine with that@@
10:16 PM on 12/08/2009
Between what Obama told the meeting attendees at his 4/3/2007 health care meeting ... need to write a thousand to two thousand letters (in the U.S. Mail) to every U.S. Representa­tive ... and what he told a reporter immediatel­y after that meeting which is that he insists on having what he called a mandate from the people ... we absolutely must have a flood of roughly a million letters going to those U.S. Reps in order to have a power of citizens that is greater than the power of the lobbyists. He said at that meeting that he promised that then they will listen as long as we send those letters to all of the 435 U.S. Representa­tives. That is because they want the votes of the people who took the time to prepare the letters and put them into the mail.

The challenge is that we have never done that action. But there is excellent help available. Participan­ts find that it only takes 10-15 minutes each month due to that help that is provided. You can sign up to stand up to get single-pay­er. You can get the monthly reminder that provides the help for printing, personaliz­ing (with fresh suggestion­s every month), and sending your letter.

Just need to do it.
Go to http://www­.medicaref­orall.org
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HUFFPOST COMMUNITY MODERATOR
iLoveOldNY
What Would George Carlin do?
03:55 AM on 12/08/2009
So there will be a mandate, AND no public option. What a scam.
10:22 PM on 12/08/2009
You are correct to use the word scam. The only way we will change that is to have one of the biggest citizens' actions the United States has ever seen.
Go here: http://www­.medicaref­orall.org
to help make it happen.
We can and will do this.
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patrickgarret
03:16 AM on 12/08/2009
God my countrymen are so filthy stupid. RAISE the f'ing taxes 3% and give medical for all. It's ridiculous­. We are so brainwashe­d into this overtaxati­on argument we screw ourselves year after year.
05:58 AM on 12/08/2009
Absolutely right. Taxes in France are 3% more than in the US, but in return they get free (superb, best in the world) health care, six weeks' paid leave, unlimited sick leave, and free college tuition to any college. What is all that worth? I can tell you it's a heck of a lot more than 3% of your taxable income, esoecually if you have 3 kids!
10:30 PM on 12/08/2009
You certainly do have your numbers correct. Most Americans will see mainly or only a 3.3% increase in the payroll tax. That'll cover the entire family, since all will have access to health care.

Pretty simple way to lower the risk so low that we will never again see a major medical bill.

SUMMARY: Get more. Pay less. Cover everyone.
Go here to do it: http://med­icareforal­l.og

Bob Haiducek, Bob the Health and Health Care Advocate
02:30 AM on 12/08/2009
Enough already, Medicare starts at 65, always has and always should continue to. Don't overreach.
03:09 AM on 12/08/2009
People under 65 would have to pay enough that they don't add to the cost of the system, possibly a bit more to help cover those who are older. The minimum age for free or subsidized Medicare would still be 65. So, this change would not cost the taxpayers a penny, while actually saving a ton of money by making the Medicare pool younger and healthier.
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HUFFPOST COMMUNITY MODERATOR
iLoveOldNY
What Would George Carlin do?
03:53 AM on 12/08/2009
So then it has no bearing on the public option. There is no reason not to do both, except to scr,ew the rest of us out of health insurance.
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12:05 PM on 12/08/2009
My mother has 6 years to medicare, is self employeed (since '92) and cant find insurance anywhere. Should a hard working self employed small business owner d.!ie because of the current system?