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EU: Jerusalem Should Be Joint Capital

SLOBODAN LEKIC   12/ 8/09 11:12 AM ET   AP

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BRUSSELS — European Union foreign ministers urged Israel and the Palestinians on Tuesday to make Jerusalem their shared capital, prompting a swift, angry reaction from Israel.

For their part Tuesday, the Palestinians announced a boycott of products made in Israeli settlements in the West Bank. Palestinian Economics Minister Hassan Abu Libdeh said the government has already confiscated $1 million worth of products, including foods, cosmetics and hardware, and that he hoped to remove all such goods from Palestinian store shelves next year.

In Brussels, EU foreign ministers reiterated that the 27-member bloc would not recognize Israel's annexation of the eastern part of Jerusalem after it occupied it in the 1967 war. The ministers called for Israel to share Jerusalem as a capital with a future Palestinian state.

Although the EU has long opposed the annexation of east Jerusalem, the statement angered Israel and was sure to deepen Israel's sense that the Europeans favor Palestinian positions. President Barack Obama has been trying, so far in vain, to nudge the sides toward renewed peace talks.

"The EU will not recognize any changes to the pre-1967 borders including with regard to Jerusalem, other than those agreed by the parties," said the ministerial statement. It was referring to the Mideast war in which Israeli forces captured east Jerusalem from the Jordanian army.

"If there is to be a genuine peace, a way must be found (through negotiations) to resolve the status of Jerusalem as the future capital of two states," it said.

The EU ministerial statement dropped an earlier Swedish draft resolution which explicitly stated that east Jerusalem – the disputed part of the holy city – should be the capital of a Palestinian state after Israel warned it would damage the bloc's ability to take part in any resumed peace talks as a negotiator.

The Israeli Foreign Ministry reacted immediately. "We regret that the European Union chose to adopt the text," Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Yigal Palmor said in a statement. He said the statement "does not contribute" to promoting peace and ignores the Palestinians' refusal to resume talks.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas refuses to resume peace talks, which broke down a year ago, unless Israel halts all settlement construction.

The Palestinian prime minister, Salam Fayyad, welcomed Tuesday's EU statement. He said it gives Palestinians "a better sense of hope and possibility about tomorrow."

The competing claims to east Jerusalem remain perhaps the most explosive issue in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

East Jerusalem is home to sensitive Jewish, Muslim and Christian holy sites. The most contentious is the disputed hilltop compound known to Jews as the Temple Mount and to Muslims as the Noble Sanctuary. Temple Mount, home to the biblical Jewish Temples, is the holiest site in Judaism. It also is the site of the Al Aqsa Mosque, the third-holiest site in Islam.

Palestinians have complained that Israel is trying to restrict their numbers in the eastern part of the city.

Some EU ministers supported the original Swedish proposal but others said it would risk undermining efforts to restart peace talks. Swedish Foreign Minister Carl Bildt said after the meeting: "We call on the Israeli government to cease all discriminatory treatment of the Palestinians in east Jerusalem."

The ministers took "positive note" of Israel's recent decision to implement a temporary freeze on building new homes in West Bank settlements – a decision that angered the Palestinians by excluding east Jerusalem.

But they emphasized that the settlements and a separation barrier Israel has built are on occupied land and that Israel's evictions and the demolition of Palestinian homes in east Jerusalem were illegal under international law.

The resolution said such Israeli actions "constitute an obstacle to peace and threaten to make a two-state solution impossible."

The Palestinians have dismissed the Israeli's temporary building freeze as insincere because it excludes east Jerusalem and 3,000 homes already being built in the West Bank. Some 300,000 Israelis live in the West Bank, in addition to 180,000 Jewish Israelis in east Jerusalem.

Meanwhile Tuesday, the Palestinians' economics minister, Abu Libdeh, defended the Western-backed government's decision to remove settlement-built products from Palestinian stores. "Consuming settlements' products is wrong, nationally, economically, politically, and must stop right away," he told a news conference.

Fully implementing the boycott will be a challenge since the Palestinian economy relies heavily on Israeli manufacturers for many basic goods.

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Associated Press writer Barbara Schaeder and Mike Corder contributed from Brussels and Josef Federman from Jerusalem and Karen Laub in Ramallah.

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12:55 PM on 12/10/2009
It's rude of me, I know, but to get back on subject it should be noted that economically Israel, like every other country on the planet, is completely dependent on the international community. All the military technology in the world doesn't trump international consensus. It's doesn't matter who's "right" or who's "wrong". Indeed international bureaucracies are a very blunt tool. But that's the reality, that's all there is. Israel has lost the propaganda war and the tooth-past is out of the tube. It's time to take a deep breath and read beyond the sound bites you find most consistent with your chosen dogma. The Palestinians are clearly not going quietly into the night and the concept of a country based on religious purity or historical destiny is quite ridicules at this point. If Israel acts before the economic sanctions begin in earnest the international community would kick in the right of return cash which would be a massive stimulus. They would open access to both capital and trade which would transform the area. The alternative is very, very bleak as well as futile. Time to grow up.
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01:38 PM on 12/10/2009
Learn a new tune already! How much longer are you going to keep copying and pasting the same words? It becomes less convincing each time.
03:10 PM on 12/10/2009
I hope you wont be offended to learn that convincing you isn't in my priority list.
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04:36 PM on 12/12/2009
Extremely well put!
09:29 AM on 12/10/2009
Some reality from the ground.
.... talk of a future division of the city has prompted a staggering increase in nationalization requests by Palestinians seeking to escape life under the Palestinian Authority.
Some 250,000 Palestinians currently reside in Jerusalem.... over the past four months the Interior Ministry has registered an unprecedented 3,000 applications, primarily residents of the Arab neighborhoods..."
Real people know who offers them freedom and who offers them oppression. Unlike various shrieking propagandist.
01:32 PM on 12/10/2009
Sigh.

Link please.
02:45 PM on 12/10/2009
I've tried. I REALLY wanted to see where he gets this but he can't even produce a www.moronsraisedonwheels.com reference. I it's all AM radio, all the time.
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Most Americans support Israel.
08:22 PM on 12/10/2009
Here's one link that reports an increase in Jerusalem Arabs requesting Israeli citizenship

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/226/story/24962.html
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jwcmass
I dream of things that never were and ask Why not
02:52 PM on 12/10/2009
Oleg, you have made this claim a number of times, but when presed, you have never supplied evidence. You simply have made a bare assertion and then met the requests for evidence with silence.
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DeniseA
Most Americans support Israel.
06:27 PM on 12/11/2009
Here's another link.

http://www.ynet.co.il/english/articles/0,7340,L-3468672,00.htm
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Most Americans support Israel.
08:15 PM on 12/09/2009
Will there also be joint sovereignty over Mecca? The city has religious significance to Jews as well as Muslims. Only Muslims are allowed to enter the city. How about the "Right of return" to Medina? There was once a huge Jewish population there, wiped out by the Muslim Jihad.

Muslims and Christians will always be allowed to worship in Jewish ruled Jerusalem (unlike when the Muslims ruled the city from 48-67 and they forbid Jews to come in). The city will never, ever be divided again. Tell the Muslims to get over the fact that they "only" rule 99+% of the land in the middle east. Tell them to deal with the fact that Jerusalem is the capital of the Jewish nation.
01:33 AM on 12/10/2009
I think the point here is that the people you now need to "tell" are your economic air supply.
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01:43 AM on 12/10/2009
Just what in your view is the "religous significance" of Mecca recognized or claimed by Jews (Israeli or otherwise) today?
11:03 AM on 12/10/2009
Abraham's son Ishmael was sent to Mecca.

Just as the Jews will need to deal with Muslim control of Hebron (mentioned many times in the bible), the Muslims will need to deal with Jewish control of Jerusalem (never mentioned in the Koran). Of course Jerusalem will remain open to all faiths and Jews will only be able to visit Hebron under armed guard.
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jwcmass
I dream of things that never were and ask Why not
03:13 PM on 12/10/2009
Actually, there is NO religious significance for Jews OR Christians for Mecca or Medina.

Misacm implies a historical importance-- but that is all.

Mecca and Medina are of religious significance to Muslims only. The other two faiths have no attachment to those cities.
04:37 PM on 12/09/2009
P-nians have as much international peace cred as person who posts “Printer for Sale” sign ....written in pencil.
03:13 PM on 12/09/2009
darn those checkpoints:
"IDF and Border Police forces thwarted a potential terror attack in Jerusalem on Wednesday afternoon, when they discovered six pipe bombs in a 20-year-old Palestinian man's bag." Today in Jpost...
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03:21 PM on 12/09/2009
I wander what excuse the Palestinian apologists will bust out for that one?
03:38 PM on 12/09/2009
This is what happens when you are oppressed and brutalized daily and you land is stolen from you and given free to fanatics.
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03:43 PM on 12/09/2009
I'll think of one when they stop a single IDF attack on the Palestinians. If they worked both ways I'd be in favour of them but as they operate as a one way valve allowing the export of violence, murder and kidnapping on one side while stopping it on the other I'm not.
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jwcmass
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03:10 PM on 12/10/2009
If Israel wants to have checkpoints on the border, that is one thing.

but most of the checkpoints are WITHIN the West Bank, discriminate in that Israelis are allowed to bypass them, and are closed at night, so if a Palestinian has a medical emergency, they cannot get access to a hospital. They are, as the saying goes, SOL.

If Israel wants to show at least the appearance of even-handedness, then EVERYBODY -- Israeli or Palestinian-- should have to pass through the checkpoints.

And the checkpoint where this would be bomber was caught-- was it along the Green Line? or within the West Bank?

From your post, I would gather it must have been along the Green Line -- otherwise, how would they know the man's destination was Jerusalem?
01:51 PM on 12/09/2009
Israel made a serious mistake by allowing Muslims exclusive control of the Temple Mount.
Time to organize joint control of that site between Jewish and Islamic religious authorities.
Also Palestinian must allow open, protected and unfettered access to Jewish visitors to the holy sites located in the Palestinian control areas.
This may help religious parties of the Israeli electorate develop more support for the deal with Palestinians.
10:32 PM on 12/09/2009
Doesn't the Dome of the Rock sound much better?
11:15 PM on 12/09/2009
No. The Temple Mount sounds much more poetic. And, you, the Temples were there first.
09:14 AM on 12/10/2009
It should be renamed the dome of Rocks.
Because of the quint tradition of gallant P-nian youth throwing rocks on the heads of people below at the Western Wall.
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jwcmass
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03:57 PM on 12/10/2009
Oleg,

Allowing Jews to visit the Temple Mount / noble Sanctuary would be no problem but for the minority (and it is a small minority) who are determined to build a Third Temple on the Mount.

Most Israelis and most Jews are OPPOSED to such an idea -- for both religious reasons, and because they KNOW what the reaction would be around the Muslim world.

But this small, but vocal minority-- supported by American Christian Zionists ( by this term I mean an evangelical sect who believe as part of their "end time scenario" that the Dome of the Rock (and the Al Aqsa) Mosques would be destroyed to make room for the Third Temple.

This, understandably makes the Waqf and other Palestinian Muslime (and Muslims the world over) decidely nervous. It is the reason for the problems that have occurred there.

From what I know, nonMuslim visitors are welcome (I have visited there myself) but they are not allowed to conduct religious services (non-muslim) there.

Think of the reaction if a group of Christians went to the Western Wall, and began a loud Christian liturgy there. Jews would be deeply offended-- and rightly so.

It's called RESPECTING other people's faith and customs, and when one is a guest, it is the proper way to behave.

Most people understand this -- and are duly respectful -- and welcome.

Sadly, it is a few religious or political ideologues (of any faith) that cause the most harm--even though they are a minority.
01:41 PM on 12/09/2009
JERUSALEM — "Like hundreds of thousands of other Jerusalem residents, Salim Shabane considers himself a Palestinian.. Despite his tacit support for a Palestinian state, Shabane is part of a new surge of Jerusalem Arabs applying for Israeli citizenship. "I live in Israel," said Shabane, "why shouldn't I be an Israeli citizen?"
Shabane has plenty of company.... more Arabs in Jerusalem are casting their lot with Israel."
11:40 PM on 12/09/2009
And soon you'll have 8 million more.
09:15 AM on 12/10/2009
YEah The overbreeding is really helping Gazans. ha-ha-ha.
01:40 PM on 12/09/2009
"Israel reports jump in Jerusalem Arabs seeking Israeli citizenship"
By The Associated Press
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11:59 AM on 12/09/2009
Jeez, even Israel doesn't impede freedom of religion like France and Switzerland. Sounds like the EU should clean up their own house first.
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08:18 AM on 12/10/2009
By invading Switzerland, forcing them to join the EU and imposing religious freedom laws on them?
Israel don't practice religious freedom by the way, try moving there and you'll figure out soon enough that their religious freedom consists of the freedom of the ultra orthodox to impose their rules on you.
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11:45 AM on 12/10/2009
Have you ever been to Israel? I have. Jews, Christians and Muslims all worship freely there. Congratulations, there are radicals in Israel, the same way there are in the US, the EU and your country. But just because they exist does not mean Israel does not have religious freedom.
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jwcmass
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05:28 PM on 12/10/2009
I don't believe Switzerland belongs to the EU. -- Otherwise I don't think its decision on minarets would get past teh European Court of Justice.

And as for France, I would encourage those Muslims forbidden to wear religious headwear to take their case to the ECJ-- They would have a good chance of winning.
04:15 AM on 12/09/2009
Lets get rid of that artificial country and give it PaIestine back to the PaIestinians.
05:02 AM on 12/09/2009
Let's not go there.

Peaceful co-existence between the two nations is the best long-term solution. It can be a win-win proposition.

Israel will benefit demographically from a healthy and independent Palestinian state to which Israeli arabs are drawn.

Palestinian statehood and autonomy will bring all the obvious benefits (no Gaza is not autonomous, don't bother).
06:22 AM on 12/09/2009
Keep dreaming the Isr aeli J ews will never let that happen. They would be admitting to themselves that the descendants of Ishmael (Hagar's son) are after all the inheritors of the Promised Land.
That would be hard to admit when you are The Chosen People.

The Messiah (the first one) has yet to come (they deny Jesus was such) so they can't give up the spot where he is supposed to come forth - and I do believe that would be in East Jerusalem somewhere. Correct me if I'm wrong. BTW, X-ains are waiting for the second coming, also involving this area.

So let it run it's course. When it all comes to a head, it will be just a Palestine. The reason for an
"Isr.ael" thereafter will no longer exist once Juda.ism gives up that messiah scenario and those Europeans will high tail it back to Hungary, Germany, Russia, etc.
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08:14 AM on 12/09/2009
You start every day with the same line......lost your cred.
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04:03 AM on 12/09/2009
The UN's urging for a divided capital is a good sentiment, but nothing more. Pales tine needs to immediately and unilaterally declare their statehood, NOW and BEFORE further and inevitable US sanctioned theft of their territory. Then the UN must immediately recognize their independence exactly as Kosovo just did last year. Serbia can huff and puff all it wants; Kosovo is still free. And recognized by the United States among others. What one country can do another can do, right?
11:19 AM on 12/09/2009
It's all cute and nice. But there's a tiny problem. OTHER neighbors of P-nians view a free-access P-ne with horror. Having had a ghastly experience with tender mercies of P-nian militants.
This includes Egypt, Lebanon and Jordan. That's why the attitude of everyone is desire for peace and gradual build up of the Palestinian statehood measures, which reassures the neighbors there will be no repetition of Gaza, Back September or PLO Lebanon takeover. They should've chosen statehood in 1947, instead of Jhad. Now the matters are far more complicated.
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03:40 PM on 12/09/2009
They were not given the option of statehood in 1947.
02:25 AM on 12/09/2009
. It has always been a Muslim policy, when conquering any area, to take over the holy places of the local people and to turn them into mosques.
It is a way of putting down the conquered people to show them who's boss.

They have done this not only in the Land of Israel, regarding both Jewish and Christian holy places, but also in India (regarding Hindu holy places), in Byzantium , in Afghanistan (regarding Buddhist holy places), etc.

When the Muslims conquered the Holy Land in the 7th century, first thing they did was to pick the holiest place around, whcih happened to be a Byzantine church built on the Jewish Temple Mount. Perfect! Get two birds---- take away something from both Jews and Christians at the same time!

Later the Muslim ruler of the area stuck in backwaters of the empire got a genius idea. Why not generate some pilgrim cash by naming the mosque "El-Aksa", and telling everyone that it was the very same one mentioned in the Q-ran.
Voila! The birth of a "tradition".
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02:55 AM on 12/09/2009
Also, to borrow your expansive and biased (understatement) framing, a Christian policy:

http://www.andalucia.com/cities/cordoba/mosque.htm

Muslims who attempt to pray at the Great Mosque of Cordoba are routinely harrassed and even arrested for doing so to this day.

And as for your earlier remarks re King Hussein and "those people" . . . who killed Rabin?

Muslims have no monopoly on acts of conquest or assassination.
03:36 AM on 12/09/2009
Nor on acts of terrorism:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_Bombing

Of course this happened 63 years ago which is in important point.

The problem is the 60th anniversary celebrations of this bombing were attended by Netanyahu in 2006 who refuses to call it what it is: terrorism.
11:07 AM on 12/09/2009
Despite voluminous replies to this post of mine , all of the replies consist of redirections to other subjects.
NO one was able to refute anything in my post, ergo it is entirely correct.

Qui tacet consentit
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03:39 PM on 12/09/2009
They tended to change the use of the building while retaining the actual building while the Christians favored knocking the entire edifice down.
The difference would be that the Muslims tended to allow other religions to continue as they were and the Christians favored either conversion or mass extermination.
It's interesting that people now judge all Muslims on their actions of several centuries past and all Christians on... a small Episcopalian church in New Jersey by the looks of the lack of aggression they are now portrayed as having.
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01:53 AM on 12/09/2009
Just a hought: Why couldn't BOTH Israel and a Palestinian state claim and in actuality have Jerusalem for their capitol? Both would share territorial sovereignity of the city, both be responsible for its upkeep, defense, etc.? People living in the city would be able to choose citizenship with either nation, or to have dual citizenship, etc. Oh I know the "etc." seems to raise a serious hornets' nest of bureaucratic problems, but . . . . Is this too perverse or what? Cats and dogs sleeping together?
02:15 AM on 12/09/2009
Sure worked out real well in Lebanon , Cyprus; especially India and P-stan.
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jwcmass
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02:27 AM on 12/09/2009
I don't think these are comparable. For one thing, you are comparing a city (Jerusalem) to countries.

Lebanon's problem has been that the government's army has almost always been weaker than the many private armies that have run parts of the country.

When the PLO and Palestinians entered Lebanon, it upset the delicate balance (which is why the Lebanese are so reluctant to assimilating refugee Palestinians) and you had the interference of both Syria and Israel.

That would be a lot for any nation fo handle.

With Cyprus, we are dealing with the real fued, which is between Greece and Turkey (and I keep teasing a Greek friend of mine that Greece and Turkey are ALLIES under NATO)

As for India, Pakistan and Bangladesh (which was once East Pakistan), we have the British to thank for encouraging this partition -- something Gandhi was vehemently opposed to. One wonders how things would be now if partition had not happened.

But Jerusalem-- especially the Old City is just a city -- not a country.

And the Palestinian residents of Jerusalem are not going to be willing to be part of Israel, which is hardly helping to persuade them with the current policy of evictions and demolitions and outright squatting. Talk about how NOT to win minds and hearts.
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04:24 AM on 12/09/2009
It does work fine in Cyprus. Nicosia / Lefkosia is the only divided capital in the world. What's the problem with it?
02:19 AM on 12/09/2009
Hers' what happens when anyone is trying for a peaceful resolution in that neighborhood and with those people. Incidentally, the very same people are in charge of P-nians now..
Jordan had the right idea. And since then peace has been achieved in Jordan.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/june/9/newsid_4461000/4461735.stm
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10:28 AM on 12/09/2009
The right idea is to have a dictatorship and slaughter thousands? Your sicker than I thought.
01:42 AM on 12/09/2009
"Kadima leader Tzipi Livni agreed to cede to the Palestinians some 92.7 percent of the West Bank during negotiations she held as foreign minister with Palestinian Authority negotiator Ahmed Qurei in 2008, Channel 10 reported Tuesday night. " - with some other land conceded- When will it be enough? When we have your capitol too, that's when.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1260181024843&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
01:55 AM on 12/09/2009
"When will it be enough?"

I think at this point you might be getting the subtle hint that 100% could be the number. :)
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jwcmass
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01:59 AM on 12/09/2009
juicyju,

most Palestinians aren't trying to "have Israel's capital" -- I don't think they are interested in West Jerusalem; the issue is EAST JERUSALEM which has a large Palestinian population (along with many illegal Jewish settlements).

And we should distinguish bewteen the modern city -- which is quite extensive -- and has grown large because Israel has (again illegally) annexed areas of the West Bank to the city, and the OLD CITY -- (the walled city) which is actually quite small (one can walk across it in just a few minutes).

I have said that the Old City should be shared; others here have suggested the UN partition plan--which called for Jerusalem to be an International City.

I'm not trying to be pedantic, but it's important to get our terms right, so we all are talking about the same thing.
02:38 AM on 12/09/2009
So you're saying that though 1.4 Million Arabs live in Israel, no Jews should live in disputed land? Does not make sense. Either way, it has not proved to be stable until it was under Israel. Again I mentioned to you before that if the PA could prove itself stable and able to resist terrorism, perhaps in the future things may be different. As I said before, the PA is not well equipped to take care of the extremists who would try to ruin the peace.
02:50 PM on 12/09/2009
A good bit of that instability comes from the Israeli plockade of the palestinian people while stealing their farm land and orchards
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01:00 AM on 12/09/2009
Asking the Israelis to give up Jerusalem--or even share it--is like asking Arabs to share Mecca. It is not going to happen; I don't think it should happen. It may work to suggest that Jerusalem, which is sacred to all three Abrahamic religions be a separate country, but it would have to be administered by the UN.
01:05 AM on 12/09/2009
I don't think the UN would be all that interested.

United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181:

The General Assembly recommended that the City of Jerusalem be placed under a special international regime, a corpus separatum, administered by the United Nations and outside both states; this was to preserve peace, given the unique spiritual and religious interests in the city among the world's three great monotheistic religions. In May 1948, the simultaneous British withdrawal and Israel's unilateral Declaration of Independence, which in part cites the UN resolution as recognizing the right of the Jewish people to establish a state, led to the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.

The General Assembly decided to appoint a Mediator, and relieved the established Palestine Commission from any further exercise of responsibility. The mediator, Folke Bernadotte, was assassinated by the militant Zionist group Lehi. Folke Bernadotte, Count of Wisborg (2 January 1895 – 17 September 1948) was a Swedish diplomat and nobleman noted for his negotiation of the release of about 31,000 prisoners from German concentration camps during World War II, including 423 Danish Jews from Theresienstadt released on 14 April 1945.
01:51 AM on 12/09/2009
"The General Assembly recommended that the City of Jerusalem be placed under a special international regime, a corpus separatum, administered by the United Nations and outside both states"
Sounds great.
Of course Arob chieftains and petty kings rejected that compromise and promptly invaded occupied and annexed whatever lands they can get their hands on.
So now that J i h a d has failed ( despite several valiant tires) the plan is to whine and moan that they didn't mean to reject it, they actually want it now.
Fortunately, it doesn't work that way.
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01:05 AM on 12/09/2009
The late King Hussein of Jordan once proposed something like that, I believe.