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Dean: Senate Bill Is 'Real Reform,' A Needed Antidote To GOP Propaganda

First Posted: 03/18/10 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 03:55 PM ET

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Former DNC Chair Howard Dean strongly endorsed on Wednesday the Senate's newest incarnation of health care legislation, declaring that it met the most fundamental definitions of reform.

In an interview with the Huffington Post, Dean acknowledged that he had problems with some of the emerging proposals in the Senate. But legislation, he argued, is neither a seamless process nor a perfect product. And there was much to hail about the compromise that had developed.

The former Vermont governor called the decision to allow consumers between the ages of 55 and 64 to buy Medicare coverage "a big step forward."

"It opens up Medicare and gives people a real choice," he said. "And secondly it does something that should have been done the whole way along: instead of creating a new bureaucracy it just uses the one we already have."

And while the public option for insurance coverage seemed, essentially, dropped from the legislative language, Dean had a positive take on the Senate's alternative approach.

"I'm not a fan of the private market, as you know. However, the private market does work in two countries, Switzerland and the Netherlands, and the way it works is by substantial regulation... If, in fact, this is basically going to be run as if it were the federally employee benefit plan, than this can work. The [Office of Personnel Management] knows how to run this plan and I've almost never heard anything bad of the federal employee benefit program."

"There doesn't have to be a public option in the bill because I'm some sort of ideological socialist," he said of his support for a government-run insurance provider. "There had to be a public option because the private sector doesn't work. And if they can make it work [without a public option], then let's see."

"The criteria that I use to evaluate the various proposals is; 'Is it reform?'" Dean concluded. "And this is reform."

An endorsement from the former DNC chairman could prove to be a big boost for reform's prospects in the Senate. A leading progressive voice and (more importantly) a respected thinker on health care matters, Dean has already played a large role in shepherding progressive support for the latest round of compromises. Sources in the Senate say Dean was the one who pushed the idea of expanding Medicare as a trade-off for watering down the public plan.

"I'm disposed towards this," he said. "It was part of my platform when I ran for president. But look at this. It makes sense. Why have two bureaucracies, including one who hasn't run this before [the Department of Health and Human Services]... when you can use Medicare?"

It wasn't just the policy of the Senate's version of health care reform that Dean liked. It was the politics. Democratic leadership is set to allow those 55 to 64-year-olds in high-risk insurance pools the option of buying Medicare coverage beginning in 2010 (three years before a proposed public option would come into existence). Which is vital for Democrats, he stressed.

"Because you have got to have people sign up for this thing in 2010 for political purposes. Otherwise we will take it on the chin in the election," said Dean. "If people are actually in insurance they can say, wait a second I'm on this insurance and haven't been brought before the death panel... Actuality is always the best antidote to propaganda."

There are aspects of the bill that Dean lamented and those which he hoped the Senate would improve. The former DNC chairman said that there need to be additional subsidies for those between the ages of 55 and 64 who want to buy into Medicare. He also worried that not enough regulatory reform will be put in place to compel serious changes in the private market. More than anything else, he was concerned that those under 55 will be left without sufficient options for insurance coverage.

"My view is that you try to convince more people as the process goes on that access should be broadened out," he said.

And then there was the question of whether even this type of reform would have the votes to pass. Dean said he did not expect Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-ME) to back the bill even though Democrats have jettisoned the public plan. Though he did say he thought conservative members of his own party would be on board.

"I have kept very close tabs on it and have been very straightforward with some of the senators about not getting hung out to dry on this," he said. "And I don't think they will. I don't think that is their intention."

As for the progressive community to which he is closely associated, Dean urged it to accept the fact that while reform may be delivered more incrementally than they desired, it was "incrementalism in the right direction."

"There will be people disappointed with it. There are parts that I'm disappointed with," he said. "But this is real and a big step forward."

Greg Sargent, who interviewed Dean as well, has more.

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Former DNC Chair Howard Dean strongly endorsed on Wednesday the Senate's newest incarnation of health care legislation, declaring that it met the most fundamental definitions of reform. In an intervi...
Former DNC Chair Howard Dean strongly endorsed on Wednesday the Senate's newest incarnation of health care legislation, declaring that it met the most fundamental definitions of reform. In an intervi...
 
 
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blackstarpictures
12:31 PM on 12/10/2009
So, uh, what happens if you're not 55? The young in this country need to quit being brainwashed by the old.
07:04 AM on 12/10/2009
if the GOP wanted to get something passed they would get it passed ! dems are like women cant make up their minds & always worried about what someone else might say
08:09 AM on 12/10/2009
No like republicans always worried about what is being taken out of there pockets!! And so afraid of (Heaven forbid!) if any of us small buisness pharmasudical and insurance companies make a dent in their big time champaine contributors get bumped out of a few bucks!! They'll always make sure the rich get richer and the poor get poorer!
07:03 AM on 12/10/2009
DEMS + Healthcare = Cowards
04:15 AM on 12/10/2009
There are alot of things involving health care that need reform that may never be addressed in any meaningful way through legislation. Tomorrow a young man with pancreatic cancer will be admitted to Univ of MD Hospital. He really does not need to be there but the specilaist treating him refused to give him a prescription for pain killers unless he is admitted, They have all his records. He has been in and out of hospitals for several weeks now but not this particular one.He has little time left and wants to spend his time home. But he is in agony and the doctor in charge said it is his "policy" to not write prescriptions on the first visit- regardless of the diagnosis. So the same tests will be done- again with the same unfortunate conclusion and no one has bothered to look at the PATIENT in agony here, just cite policy. This fellow won't make the cover of People magazine. He won't be able to "buy" a doctor to give him a suitcase of drugs to ease his misery like Anna Nicole Smith or to administer mind numbing meds via IV to help him sleep like MJ. He will just fitfully pass through a health care system that claims to be " the best in the world" while those of us who love him keep praying for ONE doctor who will see the unecessary misery being passed along to this guy and help ease his pain
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capitaldysfunction
White male never voted Republican
03:27 AM on 12/10/2009
The left-- and I am far left-- should not be disappointed in this reform. Being a purist when reality dictates other options if you are going to get things done, is not an intelligent impulse. John Dean is the best progressive out there. He has a keen sense of what real reform is and is not. I hear so many progressives harping endlessly about their latest disappointments, I'm beginning to suspect you're trying to emulate regressives.
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Victoria-nola
There is no way to peace; peace is the way.--Muste
11:28 AM on 12/10/2009
I've been waiting to hear Dean's analysis of the new developments. I trust him, on this above all.
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AAandMad
01:27 AM on 12/10/2009
Sick man of america !
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sassafra
I yam what I yam and tha's all what I yam
01:20 AM on 12/10/2009
obama! change! democratic control of all government branches.
guantanamo closed within year - no
health care single payer - no
health care - public option - no
health care - significant regulation, ending onerous practices or increased competition of private insurance industry - highly doubtful
patriot act - civil liberty restricting legislation still in force and supported. warrantless domestic wiretapping, habeas corpus suspension, posse comiatatus act eroded,
war to end - iraq slowly ramping down, afghanistan wildly escalating - no
former administration investigations of criminal abuse of power - insignificant - no
generally governing to elected mandate - administration constantly persues a centrist course ignoring the progressive mandate he campaigned with and won . democratic leaders have allowed disproportionate numbers of additional minority to seat on key committees which has unduly allowed minority party to limit majority party from exercising it's mandate.,
appointments to legislative branch - many, many slots for judges await a candidate to even be nominated, sotomayor was hardly mandate grade progressive - no

epic failure so far in my opinion.
when are they going to wake up and govern to their mandate?
12:05 AM on 12/10/2009
Yes, he is right. It barely meets the fundamental criteria to be called "reform."
11:29 PM on 12/09/2009
mr dean was a joke years ago........and still is
10:56 PM on 12/09/2009
This is healthcare reform? Extend a program that is supposedly riddled with fraud and abuse. LOL! Here's the real reason Dean wants some guick reform passed:

"Democratic leadership is set to allow those 55 to 64-year-olds in high-risk insurance pools the option of buying Medicare coverage beginning in 2010 (three years before a proposed public option would come into existence). Which is vital for Democrats, he stressed."

Polictics as usual. That should put it all over the $1T mark. People in America are fed up with this BS!
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Iam12Vote
Now With MORE Micro Bio!
10:59 PM on 12/09/2009
It's not politics to anyone who has a sick baby and no doctor. Got anything else?
11:16 PM on 12/09/2009
how many 55 and up have sick babies
11:03 PM on 12/09/2009
Well gee. How about we clean up the fraud in the deal as well.
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wonketteRAWKS
Hypocrisy is prevalent in BOTH parties!
10:50 PM on 12/09/2009
I've pretty much always respected Dean's opinion. On this, not so much. Supporting a bill, a mandate, that basically is a giveaway to the insurance industry shows that politics over people is leading the way for the democrat propaganda.
11:19 PM on 12/09/2009
"I've pretty much always respected Dean's opinion." why?
09:45 PM on 12/09/2009
I appreciate Dean's remarks. For me, the public option was always a second best option... not quite the universal health care system that I was accustomed to in Canada (and that my family and I always had good experiences with - access, quality of care, choice of doctors, etc). Having one bureaucracy, already experienced at handling healthcare, is in many ways an improvement over the public option. The down side, of course, is that this is only available to 55 and up. But it does build on a strength (system already accepted and working), is probably more cost-effective (one system - not two), and may be the beginning of the proverbial snowball rolling down the hill. Ultimately, this may be unstoppable and be extended to all ages in years to come.

As Dean suggests, regulation of the private sector is key for this to be a effective option.
11:08 PM on 12/09/2009
If we don't make a crack in the door of heathcare reform it will be business as usual. And as soon as you throw out the word regulation the repubs will start screaming. We need to break the monopoly of private insurers to get costs down.
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09:20 PM on 12/09/2009
Private insurance companies are dancing in the street over this one. Gaurenteed many many new customers - all subsidized by the taxpayer - a very generous dupe.

Only question is which one to buy stock in? Or find and ETF?
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JudgeMoonbox
09:01 PM on 12/09/2009
On the scale from real reform to Republican propaganda, I'd have to put this just on the low side of center. Picture what kind of bill would have emerged if the opponents had to anticipate that the media would ask them, "Why does this bill not deserve the same up or down vote that Bush's judicial nominees got 4 years ago?"

I think that the "60 vote" business is fully intended to make selling out seem less abject than it really is. That means that any bill to emerge in that atmosphere has a lot of proving to do.
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Chernynkaya
08:59 PM on 12/09/2009
As Anna Quindlan recently wrote in Newsweek: “This is a country that often has transformational ambitions but is saddled with an incremental system, a nation built on revolution, then engineered so the revolutionary can rarely take hold.” Our system of checks and balances is designed to move slowly, incrementally.

For a long time, my mind rebelled against this way of thinking. I wanted FDRs New Deal and I wanted it now. I felt that this was indeed the crisis that was the opportunity. I was wrong—at least wrong in thinking it could be done. What could be done was something incremental, if at all.

Incrementalism is the political reality of our country. It has honest potential to evolve into meaningful reform, depending on how successful and popular the programs are, and depending on whom we elect. It is not only that we won’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good, but that we never had a chance at the perfect, given our political system, our governing style and our split electorate.
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09:05 PM on 12/09/2009
Co-sign
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LeAnn Cammack
born-again liberal
01:29 AM on 12/10/2009
fanned. It's unfortunate but true.