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Lieberman Tells Reid To His Face: I'll Vote Against Current Health Care Bill

First Posted: 03/18/10 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 03:55 PM ET

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Senator Joseph Lieberman (I-Conn.) informed Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) in a face-to-face meeting on Sunday that he will vote against a health care bill that includes a public option or a provision that would expand Medicare, a Democratic Senate aide tells the Huffington Post.

The two senators had a discussion in Reid's office shortly after Lieberman appeared on CBS's Face the Nation Sunday morning. The Connecticut independent discussed with Reid some of his concerns about the legislation, elaborating on issues he had raised during the show. According to the source, who was briefed on the exchange, Lieberman punctuated the discussion by telling the majority leader directly that he will vote against the bill if the Medicare buy-in and public option provisions remain in it. Roll Call reports that Lieberman said he would also support a Republican filibuster of legislation that included these provisions.

"Leadership was definitely a bit surprised with the lines being drawn in the sand the way they were," said the source. "We expected that he would say critical things about [the bill]. But he is not even giving us a chance to get it scored."

The pledge by Lieberman to oppose the bill represents a potentially huge setback for reform proponents, many of who saw the latest round of policy compromises as the last true chance to corral the needed votes. That said, leadership has several fallback options (none of them promising) should Lieberman follow through on the threat.

The first is to convince the senator to support Democrats in breaking a Republican filibuster before casting a vote against the bill. This would allow for the legislation to pass with Lieberman still registering his opposition. Lieberman, however, has said he considers the procedural vote to cut off debate to be of the same significance as a vote on the bill itself.

The second path is to try and pick up a Republican moderate. But this too seems unlikely, as Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-Maine), Reid's best bet, has also expressed opposition to the Medicare buy-in provision.

The third path would be to appease Lieberman and wipe the provisions that he deems controversial from the bill. This, however, would likely lose Reid several progressive votes -- advancing the cause no further.

The final path would be to try reconciliation, the parliamentary procedure that would allow Democrats to pass chunks of health care reform by a simple up or down vote. There are a host of hurdles that come with going down this route, including questions over what, exactly, could be passed. And both the White House and Reid's office seem hesitant to use the procedural tool, even after Lieberman's latest round of opposition.

"It is not on the table at this point," the source said. "We are still trying to go through regular order."

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Senator Joseph Lieberman (I-Conn.) informed Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) in a face-to-face meeting on Sunday that he will vote against a health care bill that includes a public option or...
Senator Joseph Lieberman (I-Conn.) informed Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) in a face-to-face meeting on Sunday that he will vote against a health care bill that includes a public option or...
 
 
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07:04 PM on 02/26/2010
In the impeding revolution people like Lieberman will be the first up against the wall
01:40 PM on 12/22/2009
Why write comments you don't post them?
02:43 AM on 12/16/2009
Joe i know you are working hard, but who are you working for/
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07:36 AM on 02/08/2010
John McCain
02:55 PM on 12/15/2009
One of the main posters in this thread is an admitted white supremacist. I warn everyone to not bother reading anything by "high times".
03:19 PM on 12/15/2009
Um, does anyone here care?! I notice I get censored if I say the wrong thing about Alec Baldwin, but the Klan is invited to come in and spew? Interesting.
02:08 PM on 12/15/2009
I want to thank Sen. Joe Lieberman for his honesty. He has pointed out to me and 21+ million other people that we are not "privileged" and therefore do not deserve any healthcare. All members of Congress and their families receive free healthcare and therefore it is a "privilege". Congress should not be debating health insurance company charges but be providing actual healthcare to every person in the US. Healthcare for all makes for a productive society and economy.
We have long suspected that Congress was out of touch with the mainstream. Members of Congress have seperated themselves from the reality of working men and women and cannot comprehend how difficult it has become to provide not only for one's family but to pay for the "privileges" of government including those things that members of Congress receive and expect as national leaders.
Why nationalized healthcare has not been embraced by both political parties does not make sense; to have privilege it is necessary to have "worker bees" willing to pay for the privileged. If your workforce is sick, hungry and possibly without shelter they become cranky and will certainly work towards your "retirement" from public life at the ballot box! There are potentially 230,173,211 votes nationally and with 60% of the potential voter population that either knows someone or is directly affected by healthcare issues. The potential for incumbent removal is more than a possibility.
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BassMent
Left of Ted Kennedy, right of Che Guevara
02:02 PM on 12/15/2009
Emperor Joseph the First of the United States of America. Did the Founding Fathers really envision the fate of 300+ million citizens resting in the hands of one man? And yet, here we are.

Lieberman doesn't like the bill because it's too long. He wants it pared down to one sentence:

"By passage of this legislation the US Government warrants and guarantees a $1 trillion tax-free subsidy to the health insurance industry, to be funded by American taxpayers."

Now THAT's the kind of legislation he could definitely vote for.
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rgilley
Question Authority!
02:09 PM on 12/15/2009
The US constitution died in 1980 when Reagan was elected, it was buried by George W. Bush in 2000 when he stole the election through a supreme court his father stacked....Any Questions?
02:00 PM on 12/15/2009
It's been watered down so that the cowards in Washington can pass whatever they want and call it a victory...we're all screwed anyway.

If there is such a thing as Karma, Joe Leiberman has a whole boat load of the bad kind comming his way!!
01:58 PM on 12/15/2009
Lieberman: you suck.
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flexxhill
veni, vidi, ridi
12:40 PM on 12/15/2009
Isn't it amazing how the opponents of health care reform can stand firmly against it, but the supporters keep giving in to their demands, even thought the opponents will not vote for reform of any sort. I ask, what's to be gained by accommodating the opponents of the reform bill?
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Dale Larson
12:26 PM on 12/28/2009
"I ask, what's to be gained by accommodating the opponents of the reform bill?"

It's simple.

The Dems used the opponent's cries as excuses to achieve what the WH wanted all along... strip the bill of any Government health care coverage and mandate purchasing for-profit insurance. Oh, and don't forget the backroom deals with the drug companies. Those survived too (I wonder how that happened?)

The Senate bill is the one Obama wanted all along.
12:26 PM on 12/15/2009
A majority of Democratic Senators, representing the majority of people in our country, want health insurance reform that includes a strong public option and no abortion restriction. Why should the minority rule? In a democracy MAJORITY RULES.
Ask Senator Reid to envoke the reconcilliation procedure so health insurance reform can pass by a simple majority. Bring democracy to our form of government!
11:56 AM on 12/15/2009
People of Connecticut - WTF? Can you please stop electing Droopy Dog just so I don't have to see or hear him anymore?
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07:43 AM on 02/08/2010
Yes! Please? He has a much higher opinion of himself than he deserves!
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TEHelms
Still learning....
09:04 AM on 12/15/2009
Good for Lieberman! Now, kick him out of those chairman seats and into the middle of the Senate floor where he belongs. If he can't support Democratic causes to at least get to a vote then he deserves no Democratic support. OUT with his chairman seats!
08:28 AM on 12/15/2009
I give him my death because he just destroyed my last hope.
10:33 AM on 12/15/2009
PLease excuse me for my spelling error of Lieberman
03:20 AM on 12/15/2009
It is hard for me to believe that our nation's democratic process can be brought to a griding halt by one and only one Senator, in this case, Lieberman. He is inconsistent and obviously against the will of his own people.

On the other side of the isle, again in the name of democratic process, there is not one, not even one senator who can break from the heard.

Amazing, truly amazing . . . while the goodwill of the people tanks.
12:12 AM on 12/15/2009
Two different systems one public the other private will be required to fix health care while saving $1trillion every year.

All 300million people in the US could have totally free health care paid for with sales tax funding instead of insurance if all care was dispensed through government hospitals rather than private systems and it would cost $1trillion less than the $2.6 trillion spent last year.

Whether you are the President, health care industry executive, lobbyist, Republican, Democrat, businessman, laborer, capitalist or socialist, the facts are; that nobody can collect the money to pay for health care as cheaply as the government can by using a national sales tax and nobody can deliver high quality care and medications as cost effectively as the VA has for years this combination could provide half of the health care reform solution.

Private systems would comprise the other half of the solution for health care reform no government funding should be paid to private systems nor should they be subjected to any government mandates.

Consumers using private systems would never be required to give information to or step into a public care facility.

Seniors choosing public care would have all care and medications free.

Everyone choosing public care regardless of age, financial circumstances, or pre existing conditions, could have it no restrictions, no insurance, no co pays, free period.

Employers who select public care for their employees would not be required to pay for or have any further involvement with health care.