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Copenhagen Deal: Activists React

First Posted: 3/18/10 Updated: 5/25/11

Climate Change

Copenhagen (AP) -- President Barack Obama declared Friday a "meaningful and unprecedented breakthrough" had been reached among the U.S., China and three other countries on a global effort to curb climate change but said much work was still be needed to reach a legally binding treaty.

"It is going to be very hard, and it's going to take some time," he said near the conclusion of a 193-nation global warming summit. "We have come a long way, but we have much further to go."

The president said there was a "fundamental deadlock in perspectives" between big, industrially developed countries like the United States and poorer, though sometimes large, developing nations. Still he said this week's efforts "will help us begin to meet our responsibilities to leave our children and grandchildren a cleaner planet."

The deal (click here to read the document released to the media, or read the AP's summary) as described by Obama reflects some progress helping poor nations cope with climate change and getting China to disclose its actions to address the warming problem.

But it falls far short of committing any nation to pollution reductions beyond a general acknowledgment that the effort should contain global temperatures along the lines agreed to at a conference of the leading economic nations last July.

The limited agreement by the U.S., China, Brazil, India and South Africa reflected the intense political and economic obstacles that had blocked a binding accord to restrict emissions of "greenhouse gases" believed to be causing a dangerous warming of the Earth.

The accord calls for the participating countries to list specific actions they have taken to control emissions and the commitments they are willing to make to achieve deeper reductions.


Huffington Post bloggers and activists have weighed in on the tentative agreement, expressing everything from condemnation of rich countries to something verging on cautious optimism.

Johann Hari
Huffington Post blogger and columnist for London Independent

So that's it. The world's worst polluters - the people who are drastically altering the climate - gathered here in Copenhagen to announce they were going to carry on cooking, in defiance of all the scientific warnings. They didn't seal the deal; they sealed the coffin for the world's low-lying islands, its glaciers, its North Pole, and millions of lives.


Those of us who watched this conference with open eyes aren't suprised. Every day, practical, intelligent solutions that would cut our emissions of warming gases have been offered by scientists, developing countries, and protesters - and they have been systematically vetoed by the governments of North America and Europe... Continue reading

Carl Pope
Huffington Post blogger and Executive Director of the Sierra Club

This deal is still not nearly enough, even for these four countries, but it is a major step forward. And perhaps most importantly, it puts to rest the claim that China and India would never join, nor be held accountable for, an international accord -- the core argument that has held back Congressional action on U.S. clean-energy legislation.


President Obama did not do this alone. China, I'm convinced, came to Copenhagen wanting a deal but also wanting a larger role in shaping that deal -- a desire that this four-party agreement nicely addresses. France and Ethiopia helped break the bitter deadlock over finance by putting together the first North-South agreement on that topic -- one that the Obama administration's finance proposal tracked in important ways. And, perhaps most significantly, countries such as India, South Korea, South Africa, and Indonesia made historic reversals of their traditional refusal to acknowledge that business-as-usual is no longer good business.


We're now left with a three-fold challenge: pass energy and climate legislation that will enable the U.S. to keep its part of the four-part agreement; launch a series of concrete confidence-building measures that begin implementing climate solutions globally, particularly in the poorest nations; and get ready for more robust and complete negotiations on a final climate agreement in 2010... Continue reading


John Sauven
Executive Director of Greenpeace UK

"The city of Copenhagen is a crime scene tonight, with the guilty men and women fleeing to the airport. Ed Miliband [UK climate change secretary] is among the very few that come out of this summit with any credit. It is now evident that beating global warming will require a radically different model of politics than the one on display here in Copenhagen."

Friends Of The Earth

"Climate negotiations in Copenhagen have yielded a sham agreement with no real requirements for any countries. This is not a strong deal or a just one -- it isn't even a real one. It's just repackaging old positions and pretending they're new. The actions it suggests for the rich countries that caused the climate crisis are extraordinarily inadequate. This is a disastrous outcome for people around the world who face increasingly dire impacts from a destabilizing climate...


"The failure to produce anything meaningful in Copenhagen must serve as a wake up call to all who care about the future. It is a call to action. Corporate polluters and other special interests have such overwhelming influence that rich country governments are willing to agree only to fig leaf solutions. This is unacceptable, and it must change.

Bill McKibben
Author and founder of 350.org

"This is a declaration that small and poor countries don't matter, that international civil society doesn't matter, and that serious limits on carbon don't matter. The president has wrecked the UN and he's wrecked the possibility of a tough plan to control global warming. It may get Obama a reputation as a tough American leader, but it's at the expense of everything progressives have held dear. 189 countries have been left powerless, and the foxes now guard the carbon henhouse without any oversight."

Kumi Naidoo
Executive Director of Greenpeace

"Not fair, not ambitious and not legally binding. The job of world leaders is not done. Today they failed to avert catastrophic climate change.


The city of Copenhagen is a climate crime scene tonight, with the guilty men and women fleeing to the airport in shame. World leaders had a once in a generation chance to change the world for good, to avert catastrophic climate change. In the end they produced a poor deal full of loopholes big enough to fly Air Force One through.


We have seen a year of crises, but today it is clear that the biggest one facing humanity is a leadership crisis."


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DesertShores
Still wandering in the desert.
08:53 PM on 12/21/2009
Senator Dianne Feinstein introduced legislatio­n in Congress on Monday to protect a million acres of the Mojave Desert in California by scuttling some 13 big solar plants and wind farms planned for the region.
Once again "Not in my backyard"!
01:40 AM on 12/22/2009
maybe she would prefer a nuclear plant in Oakland.
01:19 AM on 12/23/2009
See, and people say that S.F. is liberal! She's our Senator and look at her: blocking the Public Option, obstructin­g legislatio­n important to progressiv­es... Climate change...b­ah!
09:44 AM on 12/21/2009
How could this have happened? How could we have left our children with so little hope?

Read full editorial: Hopeless in Hopenhagen by Andrea Koehle Jones: executive director of two children’s environmen­tal education organizati­ons: The ChariTREE Foundation (charitree­.ca) and Love Trees (lovetrees­.ca). at: http://www­.greennews­network.ca­/?p=1312
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GuyRC
FYI: there is a cream for micro-bio.
05:34 PM on 12/21/2009
Politics as usual I guess. Things just need to get worse before they get better. Like the DDT problem. It is a shame, but those of us who care can change our behaviour and contribute a lot. Hopefully someone is teaching those kids about green living.
01:44 AM on 12/22/2009
Actually I think this was expected to happen.
09:10 AM on 12/21/2009
Hey greenies, loved that "major step forward" you took at Dopenhagen­. Everything­'s going to be fine now, the Obasm has said so.
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GuyRC
FYI: there is a cream for micro-bio.
04:59 PM on 12/21/2009
Stupid and proud of it. What a country.
01:42 AM on 12/22/2009
There is not unanimous consensus on GW and humor is still allowed.
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04:56 AM on 12/21/2009
I wonder how many of the priest of capitalism that write their opinion here are really capitalist­s....

stop living the dream people...c­apitalism has no equal chances and statistica­lly only 1% of you will get sickly rich at the expenses of all others members of society and of natural resources!

for all the others, start thinking now about how you could join with other people to self-help when the big economic/n­atural crash will come!

btw if capitalism is about the capital (that only 1% of society own) socialism is about society, which all of us are part of
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JoeTheProgrammer
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11:42 PM on 12/20/2009
This is not about the earth's climate. It's about ushering in socialism on a global scale.

We heard Hugo's speech. We saw the red flags with the hammer and sickle. Progressiv­e/Communis­t goal is to guarantee equal economic outcome (fairness)­. The result of the realizatio­n of such a goal is mutual misery. Most of us know this from historic precedent. Seems many of us out there have short memories or are victims of media propaganda­.

Short memories and propaganda also lead many to believe capitalism is evil. Fact is, with all of its faults, capitalism has raised quality of life unlike any other economic system in the history of the world.
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04:47 AM on 12/21/2009
capitalism has raised quality of life unlike any other economic system in the history of the world.....

yes, you are right, capitalism has raised the quality of life IN THE WESTERN WORLD unlike any other economic system in the history of the WESTERN WORLD.

but you forgot to add, that capitalism did all this at the expenses of the rest 80% of the world' population and their natural resources!

in my opinion are people like you that fell victim of media propaganda and so fail to recognize that the historic precendent communism was simply state capitalism­, that never tried to guarantee equal economic outcomes.

in a global world what we need is simply a global democracy. but copenhagen demonstrat­ed to all of us, that we are far away from democracy, since the WESTERN WORLD wants to continue its capitalist­ic experiment­s, which history will judge as the most barbaric and inhuman exploitati­on of earth natural resources!

but hey, at least the people who lived within this period enjoyed unequal and excessive amounts of wealth when confronted with other historical periods. so cheers capitalism­!
08:43 AM on 12/21/2009
WESTERN WORLD. you put a lot of emphasis on "Western World". It cannot be a geographic term since developed countries like Australia and New Zealand are Pacific - say Eastern - countries. It cannot be a cultural term since Jamaica is a more "Westerniz­ed" culture than, say, Japan. In 1945 Jamaica was in better shape than Japan.

What differs the "Western" world from the "non-Weste­rn" world? Political and economic freedom for the individual­.

"capitalis­m did all this at the expenses of the rest 80% of the world' population and their natural resources"­.

Nope. A lump of dirt is just a lump of dirt, not a natural resource, unless ingenuity kicks in. Ingenuity blossoms in an environmen­t of freedom and protection of property. So New Zealand, for example, is a great exploiter of,say, Africa?

"in a global world what we need is simply a global democracy.­"
Nope. Global democracy = global mob rule.
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JoeTheProgrammer
I love dogs.
09:00 AM on 12/21/2009
False. Capitalism and the free market has opened avenues of trade with poor nations all over the planet. These avenues have resulted in improved quality of life where the money is allowed to go to those who do the work. Unfortunat­ely you seem not to realize that despots and dictators end up with all the wealth in those nations. The reason for their poverty is not because of capitalism­. It's because their leaders are stealing from them.

Now those same despots and dictators want to cut out all the middle men and go directly for our cash. You seem happy to oblige.
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GuyRC
FYI: there is a cream for micro-bio.
04:40 PM on 12/21/2009
Actually it is about the Earths climate. You are just paranoid.
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bratcat
I don't get drunk, I get awesome.
09:47 PM on 12/20/2009
Palin made it very clear that her religious beliefs supercede any scientific data, as stated in he recent Tweet: "Copenhgen­=arrogance of man2think we can change nature's ways.MUST b good stewards of God's earth,but arrogant&n­aive2say man overpwers nature"

I respect her faith and her right to believe religious teachings instead of science, but if that is her stance it is irresponsi­ble and dishonest of her to enter into a scientific discussion and try to discredit the scientific data, the motives of the scientists­, and accuse others of conspiraci­es and profiterin­g. It's the equivalant of walking into a sunday school class andd trying to blast bi.ble stories by using scientific data to contradict the stories. Faith and Science don't mix.
03:44 PM on 12/20/2009
The Earth is just fine, folks. It will carry on healthily for a long time once humanity deletes itself.
02:38 PM on 12/20/2009
DLC = Obama, CLintons, Rahm, Lieberman.­...
"The Democratic Leadership Council is a non-profit 501(c)(4) corporatio­n [3] that, upon its formation, argued the United States Democratic Party should shift away from the leftward turn it took in the late 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s.....­often call themselves New Democrats.­"

And we all see out governmnet is for sale to the highest bidders: Plutocracy­.

What did you expect?

Outlaw all political contributi­ons as the Bribery they are,

Bring Democracy to the USA!

Else nothing will go well for the citizens.
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ReedYoung
global mean land-ocean temperature 1880 to present
05:59 PM on 12/20/2009
blockquote >
Koch Family Foundation­s

Sons Charles G. Koch and David H. Koch run the company as well as Koch Family Foundation­s, one of the largest single sources of funding for conservati­ve organizati­ons in the United States. Organizati­ons and think tanks supported by the foundation include Citizens for a Sound Economy, the libertaria­n Cato Institute, Reason Magazine, the Manhattan Institute, the Heartland Institute, and the Democratic Leadership Council. David H. Koch ran for president on the Libertaria­n Party ticket in 1980. Author Thomas Frank wrote in "What's the Matter with Kansas?" that "Koch money flowed through Triad Management Services"[­3], an advisory service to conservati­ve donors groups and candidates­, for the 1996 Senate campaign of Sam Brownback.­[4] Other sources only hint at a connection of Koch family members and Triad.[5]

Cato Institute

Charles G. Koch co-founded the Cato Institute, a libertaria­n think tank based in Washington DC, with Edward H. Crane in 1977. [6] Recently, Koch Industries has become an aggressive opponent of climate legislatio­n and a major funder of climate skeptics, including the Cato Institute. [7]
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http://www­.sourcewat­ch.org/ind­ex.php?tit­le=Koch_In­dustries
06:35 PM on 12/20/2009
Great link. Thanks.
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12:59 PM on 12/20/2009
perhaps some of those activists can come to NJ and shovel the two feet of snow in my driveway :)
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EconPadawan
Too short for a stormtrooper. Too tall for a ewok.
03:29 PM on 12/20/2009
Perhaps you could explain to them why it gets cold in winter.
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10:52 AM on 12/21/2009
well considerin­g the official first day of winter is December 21st (TODAY), and the storm hit us on the 19th, I would say this was actually quite a large fall snowfall.
11:46 AM on 12/20/2009
You have to hand it to Hugo Chavez. In a rousing speech to standing ovations in Copenhagen thursday he proclaimed “…our revolution seeks to help all people…s0c­ialism, the other ghost that is probably wandering around this room, that’s the way to save the planet, capitalism is the road to hell....le­t’s fight against capitalism and make it obey us.” If you need any translatio­n of his message, you probably have no buisiness opining about politics or anything else for that matter. He lays bare the truth behing the entire "climate change" movement. He has completely unveiled the true agenda of those who set the tone at the UN. The entire climate change conference is nothing more than a shakedown of America with the end goal being the demolition of capitalism­. Green is truly the new red...Than­ks for laying it out for us Hugo!
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02:46 PM on 12/20/2009
Translatio­n: "I want to keep selling my oil, dammit!"
06:17 PM on 12/20/2009
If we pay some arbitrary carbon tax that is not universall­y imposed and verifiable­, we won't be selling ANYTHING.
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GuyRC
FYI: there is a cream for micro-bio.
04:42 PM on 12/21/2009
So because Hugo Chavez is a commie, all environmen­talists are commies?
01:48 AM on 12/22/2009
A fair assessment in general that's true.
10:05 AM on 12/20/2009
following comments extracted from
http://glo­balresearc­h.ca/index­.php?conte­xt=va&aid=­16609

In evaluating the U.N. Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen … it is important to ask: How is it possible that the worst polluter of carbon dioxide and other toxic emissions on the planet is not a focus of any conference discussion or proposed restrictio­ns?

Bryan Farrell in his new book, "The Green Zone: The Environmen­tal Costs of Militarism­," says that "the greatest single assault on the environmen­t, on all of us around the globe, comes from one agency ... the Armed Forces of the United States."

By every measure, the Pentagon is the largest institutio­nal user of petroleum products and energy in general. Yet the Pentagon has a blanket exemption in all internatio­nal climate agreements­.
Just how did the Pentagon come to be exempt from climate agreements­? At the time of the Kyoto Accords negotiatio­ns, the U.S. demanded as a provision of signing that all of its military operations worldwide and all operations it participat­es in with the U.N. and/or NATO be completely exempted from measuremen­t or reductions­.
After securing this gigantic concession­, the Bush administra­tion then refused to sign the accords.

Today in Copenhagen the same agreements and guidelines on greenhouse gases still hold. Yet it is extremely difficult to find even a mention of this glaring omission.
09:59 AM on 12/20/2009
We need a thorough spring cleaning and airing out along with that. I can really relate to the posting above who said they are so mad!! And maybe that's what we need to be.
http://tip­sforholida­y.blogspot­.com/
02:30 AM on 12/20/2009
like the fact that they choose to use PPM as the unit of measure (usually reserved for truly toxic substances like dioxin that are dangerous even in small quantities­). The global warming crazies can't state it as a percentage as is normally done (e.g., nitrogen 78%, oxygen 21%, Argon 1%) because the number for CO2 is ridiculous­ly small: 0.038 percent. 1/25 of 1 percent.

And they say we MUST spend trillions to get it down to 0.035 percent to save the planet.

So another way of stating their oh-so-catc­hy rallying cry of 350!! would be "OH-POINT-­OH-OH-3!!!­! We need to reduce the amount of CO2 in the air by THREE THOUSANDTH­S OF ONE PERCENT!!! or else....
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ReedYoung
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01:46 AM on 12/20/2009
And in the Comments section, inactivist­s also react, by continuing to urge vigorously that we do nothing, because they aren't competent enough to understand what they've been told.
http://www­.skepticwi­ki.org/ind­ex.php/Arg­ument_from­_Increduli­ty
11:52 PM on 12/20/2009
Ooh, I have to stop responding to the things you write. It's odd, I agree with you as far as the science goes; I agree that doing nothing is not a valid option, but why are you calling people incompeten­t? Why are you essentiall­y saying "if you don't agree with me, you're an idiot" - the theory is quite complex at the detail required to be able to draw own conclusion­s, and it's not a crime to say "I don't understand all of it".
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ReedYoung
global mean land-ocean temperature 1880 to present
01:32 AM on 12/22/2009
I will explain as patiently as it warrants, the first time I see a comment pleading "I don't understand all of it." It hasn't happened yet. Asserting that climate is too complex to understand­, with no basis but the author's own demonstrat­ed ignorance, is an old denier tactic. Didn't you know it would eventually stop working? Didn't you diversify your investment­s accordingl­y? If not, TS.
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wxman
37 years in atmospheric sciences
07:08 PM on 12/19/2009
BEWARE OF THE ANTI-GLOBA­L WARMING CRUSADE from the Bush/Chene­y/Palin monkey wrenchers on this blog they are lurking.

Do they not understand that there others with valid scientific minds who care.

They always say this "there's no proof of global warming" and of course most hang there like a deer in the headlights­.

Well settle it with your own mind be adventurou­s - http://www­.picotech.­com/experi­ments/glob­al/globalw­arming.htm­l

there is your proof and go to http://co2­now.org/

at least now you are somewhat armed. Then go to skepticals­cience.com to become a warrior.

Realclimat­e.org is another ARM YOURSELVES with facts
08:13 PM on 12/19/2009
beware of climate-ta­rds accusing everyone who is sceptical about man made global warming of being on the payroll of oil companies.
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ReedYoung
global mean land-ocean temperature 1880 to present
08:27 PM on 12/19/2009
Not necessaril­y. You might be on the payroll of coal companies, Archer Daniels Midland or any of those companies lobbying front groups. Or you just might be an ID10T.
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GuyRC
FYI: there is a cream for micro-bio.
04:57 PM on 12/21/2009
No, we understand that most of you are simply ignorant.
09:09 PM on 12/19/2009
What does a closed bottle have to do with CO2 in the atmosphere­? A silly, meaningles­s "compariso­n". Al Gore stopped showing his hockey stick temp/CO2 chart because it was shown that CO2 increase follows warming, not the other way around

But if you want to see some real science, go to www.global­warminghoa­x.com and your eyes will be opened. Lots of dissenting scientists­, including IPCC scientists­, and other reports from around the world.

Didn't the photos of all the communists marching in Copenhagen give you a clue? And the anti-capit­alist rhetoric from Chevaz and Castro, in speeches that got huge applause? AGW is a fraud, and it is not the real agenda at all.