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Dem Pollster: Don't Expect Obama Bump From Health Care

First Posted: 03/18/10 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 04:00 PM ET

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When Bill Clinton addressed a crowd of mildly despondent progressives at the Netroots Nation conference this past August, he made a prediction. If health care reform were to pass, the former president said, it would result in a massive uptick in Obama's popularity.

"Within a year, when all those bad things they say will happen don't happen, and all the good things happen, approval will explode," Clinton declared.

A polling bump has served as an alluring carrot to win over Democrats skeptical of health care reform. But not everyone is convinced that the sheer fact that legislation passed will do wonders for Democrats in the world of public opinion.

"Bill Clinton has always been a better strategist than I have been," Mark Mellman, a prominent Democratic pollster, told the Huffington Post. "But, you know, I would not be surprised if we don't see that... I wouldn't be surprised if [Obama's] ratings stay fairly close to where they are. And for two reasons: first of all, the real weight that is holding down the president's approval rating is the economy. There is just no question about that is the real impediment to his approval ratings improving. To pass health care reform on Christmas Eve is not going to improve the economy the day after Christmas. Secondly, at this point this is still a pretty controversial bill. When people know the content they are for it, and when they don't know the content they are pretty divided. So I'm not sure there are going to be a lot of people jumping for joy [when it passes]."

"I think [Obama] is going to get some credit for being effective here and I think that would help him," Mellman added. "But I would be surprised if we saw a big jump in approval ratings. We may see them for a day or two, but I don't think it is going to last very long."

Public opinion prognostication is inherently chancy. But if any pollster has a good grasp of the health care debate, it is Mellman. A highly respected Democratic adviser, he has been consulting Senate Democrats about how to properly sell the reform package they are poised to pass. His advice to those who have spent months engaged in the process is a bit dour: The debate's not over. As Mellman sees it, public opinion on the legislation should remain malleable months, if not years, after passage. Placed in a news vacuum -- as it was during the August recess -- the bill can be painted in the most nefarious of lights. And so, even though Democrats may gain momentary relief by getting the legislation done, they shouldn't rest on their laurels.

"There is going to be a prolonged process here, even after the bill passes, of selling the bill," Mellman said. "The naturally tendency of the legislative process is to move on. You pass legislation, breathe a sigh of relief, and move on to another bill and stop talking about that which is already done. That can't happen here."

Mellman noted that some of the legislative perks from health care reform won't kick in for years down the road; the bill's supporters will be championing abstract achievements. Nevertheless, he said there are immediate benefits to which Democrats should and can point -- namely the prohibition on abusive insurance industry practices.

As for internal party divisions, Mellman said he expects progressive critics of the bill to eventually come back into the fold.

"There is no question that there are a meaningful chunk of voters out there who think this bill did not go far enough in reforming health care," he said. "I think at the end of the day, the people who think this bill didn't go far enough will come to recognize the political realities: which is there aren't the votes to go further. And the only way to get something more than this is to add even more progressive Democrats in the Senate. So their electoral enthusiasm should be increased, not decreased."


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When Bill Clinton addressed a crowd of mildly despondent progressives at the Netroots Nation conference this past August, he made a prediction. If health care reform were to pass, the former president...
When Bill Clinton addressed a crowd of mildly despondent progressives at the Netroots Nation conference this past August, he made a prediction. If health care reform were to pass, the former president...
 
 
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pup sydney
needs of regular folks, Italy; cancer;
12:30 AM on 12/27/2009
This progressive will NEVER be back in the fold. Too much this time from corporatists whores. What do you think we are? Principles and fight for what is right still mean something in the progressive world. Go compromise abortion with Nelson: unbelievable. The dems are destroying the right to abortion the stupak Nelson people: THE DEMOCRAtS!!!!
11:16 PM on 12/26/2009
hmmm so far democrats and president obama have proved that they are not only ineffective in reforming the way washington does business but worse they have proved that they cannot even write a bill that is so important that getting it wrong is almost criminal. so i hope that although not to be expected from politicians, the public will remember how dissapointed obama has been to most of us. he is a horrible leader and he is a fool if he thinks that passing any law at any cost makes him a true leader.
10:55 PM on 12/26/2009
"And from deep inside the DC bubble, this is Mark Melman reporting.".

Yeah right--the people who know what's in it, like it. You mean, the people who beloved what you SAY is in it, like it.

This guys is definitely part of the problem.
05:29 PM on 12/26/2009
I believe an effective jobs bill will provide a bigger 'bump'
Any new health insurance reform will have to be marketed to 2010 voters just like how the opponents of reform got active in 2009. Big media will not favor reform at any time.
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mauibob
I am a recovering Liberal. I apologize for my past
06:20 PM on 12/25/2009
Most of the supposed good things in this bill will not happen for years, but the things that will upset people start right away like higher taxes, higher payroll deductions for medicare. This bill will pass though as there is no democrat unwiling to sell his vote if the price is high enough and their is no democratic leader unwilling to pay any price necessary to buy that vote. The added restrictions of forcing insurance companies to accept everyone, something I am for, will cause the current rates to rise for those that will not benefit from this plan. Companies costs will rise and they will be forced to offer less generous medical benefits, especially with the surcharge on the premium packages.
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AnnfromCA
11:22 AM on 12/26/2009
I think that particular aspect of this bill will absolutely drive people out of the Democratic party. Independents are already fleeing.

This will speed it up.

I'd look for Obama's polls to drop to the low 40's soon.
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bluejoni2525
and we've got to get ourselves back to the garden
04:11 PM on 12/26/2009
........and of course you would Ann !!!
05:00 PM on 12/25/2009
President Obama will be just fine; he is facing the tough issues other Presidents refused to touch!
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dianhow
former Repub till W
06:15 PM on 12/25/2009
Exactly The truth shall set us free Obama has made mistakes- but he took on
2 long badly mismanaged- wars - a global meltdown - 29 yrs under toxic Reagan Bush Greenspan Rubin & pals - toxic polices of deregulation-that made it legal for Wall St -
banksters- to practice fraud- sell' junk' mortgage securities- labeled as Triple A -
to UN suspecting investors all over the world and made predatory lending possible
Clintons big mistake ? NAFTA Should have listened to Ross Perot
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DocSyracuse
A socially liberal, fiscally conservative surgeon
03:32 PM on 12/25/2009
...maybe a fist-bump, though.
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treat2day
Be Yourself. Everyone Else Is Taken
01:22 PM on 12/25/2009
“– Learning from Martin Luther King


“The Moderate”

who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another person; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the them to wait for a “more convenient season.” Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.”

CEOs off the misery of millions of Americans.

"United Health, William McGuire $342 mil
Forest Labs, Solomon $295 mil
Caremark Rx, Edwin Crawford $93.6 mil
Abbott Lab, Miles White $25.8 mil
Aetna, John Rowe $57.8 mil
Amgen, Kevin Sharer, $59.5 mil
Bectin-Dickinson, Edwin Ludwig, $18 mil
Boston Scientific $45 mil
Cardinal Health, James Tobin, $33.5 mil
Cigna, Edward Hanway, $62.8 mil
Genzyme, Henri Termeer, $60.7 mil"

How many claims and reimbursements refused and patients were dropped for these billions?””
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citizen of the universe
Look! A Shepards Beak Whale
04:51 PM on 12/26/2009
Quick note: Aetna's CEO is Ron Williams. As a former employee of Aetna I'm curious to see the amount of his stock options now. 2 years ago they were close to a million and a half. Thanks!
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treat2day
Be Yourself. Everyone Else Is Taken
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fourex
01:09 PM on 12/25/2009
With so many people on all sides opposing the bill, this prediction is not very brave.
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Osusuki
All your base are belong to us...
11:56 AM on 12/25/2009
Not saying Mellman is clueless, but he is wrong about one thing. I don't care whether its health care or the economy or the price of carbon credits in China, it's not what you attack, it's what you actually accomplish. There is a widening gap between the campaign promises that got Mr. Obama into office and the effort he has put into delivering on them since being elected. There would not be a health care even if he had signed the completed legislation on Christmas Eve, because the difference between what he pushed for and what he promised was so great. The same is true of the economy, and of climate change, and of our position in the world. So far, Mr. Obama has promised to be the anti-Bush and delivered Bush lite. That is why his poll numbers are down, and will remain so until he remembers that he needs to dance with the ones that brung him to the party.
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Osusuki
All your base are belong to us...
12:04 PM on 12/25/2009
Sorry, that's "there would not be a health care bump". Also, I forgot to mention don't ask don't tell, support for a woman's right to choose, and a host of other issues.
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henrypapillon
Put a Psychiatrist in every NRA meeting.
11:27 AM on 12/25/2009
The Republicans will get all the bump in the polls that comes to the Boo-Birds at football games.
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AnnfromCA
11:24 AM on 12/25/2009
Bill is usually right, but on this? No. The bill is too flawed. People already have decided the process was corrupt. And people have already decided that they don't like the Dem direction.

Of course, the polls won't shift much.
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bioluminescence
10:20 AM on 12/25/2009
A quote from the article: "There is no question that there are a meaningful chunk of voters out there who think this bill did not go far enough in reforming health care,"

We presume "not going far enough" would include a bill that actually goes in the wrong direction.
04:42 AM on 12/25/2009
The first affects people are going to see is themselves shelling out more money. Their insurance premiums will go up because of the coverage mandates. The cost of medical equipment will go up because of the taxes on medical equipment. The unions members will find that new taxes on their "Cadillac" plans will cause them to pay higher premiums. Medicare Advantage customers will see the looses in benefits. The bill makes everyone pay for for four years before most of the benefits roll in.
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yweston
We Won!!!! So Get Over It....
10:09 AM on 12/25/2009
Did your "crystal ball" give you the next million dollar lottery number??
04:25 PM on 12/25/2009
Honey, no crystal ball is needed. These are simply the facts contained in the bill. They are there for anyone to read.
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lizr
goofing off here
12:38 AM on 12/25/2009
he deserves no bump for sitting on his A$$ and letting the Senators decimate health care.

We'll remember this -