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NASA Kepler Telescope Discovers Mystery Space Objects

SETH BORENSTEIN   01/ 4/10 09:18 PM ET   AP

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WASHINGTON — NASA's new planet-hunting telescope has found two mystery objects that are too hot to be planets and too small to be stars.

The Kepler Telescope, launched in March, discovered the two new heavenly bodies, each circling its own star. Telescope chief scientist Bill Borucki of NASA said the objects are thousands of degrees hotter than the stars they circle. That means they probably aren't planets. They are bigger and hotter than planets in our solar system, including dwarf planets.

"The universe keeps making strange things stranger than we can think of in our imagination," said Jon Morse, head of astrophysics for NASA.

The new discoveries don't quite fit into any definition of known astronomical objects, and so far don't have a classification of their own. Details about the mystery objects were presented Monday at a meeting of the American Astronomical Society in Washington.

For now, NASA researcher Jason Rowe, who found the objects, said he calls them "hot companions."

How hot? Try 26,000 degrees Fahrenheit. That's hot enough to melt lead or iron.

There are two leading theories for what the objects might be and those theories cover both ends of the cosmic life cycle:

_Rowe suggests they are newly born planets. New planets have extremely high temperatures, and in this case Rowe speculates they might be only about 200 million years old.

_Ronald Gilliland of the Space Telescope Science Institute says they could be white dwarf stars that are dying and stripping off their outer shells and shrinking.

The primary focus of the Kepler telescope's three-year mission is to find out how common other planets – especially Earth-like planets – are in the universe. To do that, it is scanning a small chunk of the sky, about one four-hundredth of the night sky with more than 150,000 stars to look for planets.

The telescope in just six weeks found its first five confirmed planets, slightly more than astronomers expected from such a quick search. There are hundreds of other candidates that need confirmation.

The five planets are all much larger than Earth, much closer to their stars than Earth is to the sun, and way too hot for life, Borucki said. A couple of these planets are close to 3,000 degrees.

"Looking at them is like looking at a blast furnace," Borucki said. "Certainly, no place to look for life."

One of the newly discovered planets is so airy that "it has the density of Styrofoam," Borucki said.

"There's going to be all kinds of weird stuff out there," said Alan Boss of the Carnegie Institute of Washington, who wasn't part of the research. "This is an unparalleled data set. The universe really is a weird place. It's fantastic."

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Kepler Telescope: http://www.kepler.nasa.gov

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04:52 PM on 01/06/2010
Here are a few things we know for sure about where we are in the universe.

We know that we live on a sphere that orbits a larger hot sphere (what we call a star.) We know that our star is part of a larger system of other stars. We call that system the Milky Way Galaxy. We know that our star is located on the outer edge of the Milky Way.

We think the Milky Way has between 200 billion to 250 billion stars. We believe there are billions, if not trillions, of other galaxies. Currently, many modern astronomers believe the universe began nearly 14 billion years ago with an event they call the "big bang." They think all matter was squashed into an infinitely small space and then it blew up. The visible universe that we see when we look into the night sky is the end result of this explosion.

How absurd! There was never any big bang. Galaxies are not zooming away from each other. Everything in the universe is revolving in an orderly fashion around a central point, just like our planet orbits our star, and our star orbits the center of the Milky Way.

We humans can barely understand our own planet. Most people have no real grasp of how the universe was formed, nor do they know who or what formed it, or know why it was created in the first place.
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SiriusMrE
"I wouldn't have seen it if I didn't believe it."
06:17 PM on 01/06/2010
Cosign!
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08:13 PM on 01/06/2010
The Big Bang theory may or may not be correct, but you cannot just toss it out and insert stupidity that you made up off the top of your head.

A replacement cosmology needs to account for the observations we see at least as well *(and preferably better) as the one being tossed out.

However, if Mach thinks that things are simply orbiting a central point, then how are the progressive red shifts and the background radiation accounted for? They are not. We should also see a calculation of the presumed radial velocity of the farthest stars/galaxies and a discussion of how this fails to fit in with the C limits of relativity, and how such a large issue can be accounted.

When the earth centered cosmology with epicycles was tossed, the retrograde motions we observed needed to be accounted for. The sun centered cosmology did that.

Incidentally, the Big Bang is not the only observationally consistent cosmology, D-Brane theory and M-brane theory are also under consideration, with finer observations being required to choose between them.

Made up stuff is just that, made up.
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"I wouldn't have seen it if I didn't believe it."
12:51 PM on 01/06/2010
How many times do mainstream astronomers have to be "mystified" or "puzzled" or "surprised" before we really start to question the base theory that seems not to be able to predict anything? If astronomy were a real science the "big bang" would have been accepted as falsified long ago. But modern astronomy is more accurately described as a religion, where "heresy" (i.e., failure to blindly accept the deeply flawed story of the "big bang") is dealt with harshly (i.e., revocation of telescope time, or refusal to fund or publish by "the powers that be" [cf. Halton Arp]). I am firmly convinced that what passes for modern astronomy/cosmology will be viewed by (near) future scientists the same way we view the "theory" of phlogiston.

"The Electric Star theory states that stellar fissioning will occur if a star is under great stress because of excess current flow from the galactic generator. A blue-white star might explosively split into two or more daughter stars if the input current passes a critical threshold. In so doing, the surface area increases, resulting in a decrease in current density. The two (or more) new stars will experience a reduction in luminosity and appear to be 'older' as conventional theories of stellar evolution discuss age. The electric currents flowing between the new stars might also be interpreted as heat."
Heat Upon Heat Upon Heat: http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2010/arch10/100106heat.htm
12:01 AM on 01/06/2010
Does not all the brightness of the universe within the mist of all the darkness appear to be forever so beautiful? What happens to the matter, which is integrated into the engine of black holes?
There must be a functional reason for this form of neutralization. What do metabolic processes have in common with this euphemism (black hole)?
11:35 PM on 01/05/2010
"thousands of degrees hotter than the stars they circle?"

Sorry, but that has to be a typo. If it were true, they would be calling them small stars, because they would glow hotter and brighter than their stars. At no point in the evolution of a stellar system, is there any point -- or any defensible reason -- for anything, collapsing planets included, to become hotter than the star of the system is.

Stars get as hot as they do because they are huge -- first gravitational collapse, and then thermonuclear fission and/or fusion, are what heat stars. No smaller bodies have the gravity to achieve any similar heating.

Let me know if I'm wrong, but for now -- that's logic.
06:20 PM on 01/06/2010
While I do not disagree with your claim, I will say this: It is human-kind's biggest setback to have the firm believe that we understand everything and that the science we now know is infallible. Remember, there was a time where the earth was flat. There was also a time where the earth was the center of the universe.

These theories didn't come about because someone just decided to. These came about because the most modern of scientists came to these conclusion with the most modern techniques.

When we have a strange occurrence that is, at most, unexplainable, I do my best to remember that we may just not have the knowledge or scientific prowess to come to a final conclusion. After all, pretty much EVERYTHING about the universe is only a theory.
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08:23 PM on 01/06/2010
There is not a "rule" that a planet cannot be hotter than the star it orbits. We must accept what our observations tell us and then figure out how it is happening.

Several possibilities for hot planets come to mind

#1 ~ new formed planet being hit by lots of dust/impacts
#2 ~ planet with a small black hole in it ...
#3 ~ planet with high tidal forces
#4 ~ planet with magnetic interaction gaining electrical heating
#5 ~ planet with lots of uranium and other fissionable materials making it into one huge atomic furnace

I have probably overlooked guessing whatever is actually going on but we can be sure that each strange new thing we discover will tell us something interesting about the universe.
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04:35 PM on 01/05/2010
Well, the fact is NASA been manipulating us since forever...there are thousands of solar bodies in the heavens along with billion of galaxies, maybe it's the home of the Avatars, but I think they actually live on the Pleaides. Whatever it is, we need to create our own reality,...In the 60s JFK got us to create the moon landing,...Hopefully OBAMA can take us to dicovering the secret and very deep underearth living tunnels yet unfounded in Asia, Asia Minor and the Americas...the fact is we have never been alone on earth and all thsi Bible Hocus pocus stuff is BS. Wht don't the Catholic Church, the Mormans and all the other secret establishment release the acient scrolls that tell of visits from other dimensions...even Hitler new of the other dimensions and since Bush and Family relocate Hitlers scientist to America I am sure the CIA is doing its world hunt across the globe. Afghanistan, Russia, India , China, Mexico, Brazil, Peru and many other countries have vast under earth living cities...THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE...Stop been brain wash, now body scan is pass as aterrosim needs, but its to control your energy fields...DRIVE, DON'T FLY!
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JuergenHartl
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10:26 PM on 01/05/2010
Wow! Heavy stuff ...... you are smoking
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AtheistUS
10:29 PM on 01/05/2010
Hilarious stuff. A parody or strong intoxication?
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04:07 PM on 01/05/2010
But Rosie O'Donnell says nothing can melt metal!
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12:11 PM on 01/05/2010
ok now i know its time to shut nasa down.
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02:33 PM on 01/05/2010
Why?
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Bitsko
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04:07 PM on 01/05/2010
Some folks prefer not to learn anything new.
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12:03 PM on 01/05/2010
Speaking of science, How do I become a fan of myself. Whoever tells me will be fanned for life! C'MON! Anybody?
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01:09 PM on 01/05/2010
Create a second or third or... identity and f yourself.
03:10 PM on 01/05/2010
heh heh
11:39 PM on 01/05/2010
...but it takes a whole identity for each additional "fanning," so why bother?

Better to be as overwhelmingly clever and insightful as you are, and then we, every one of us, will be overjoyed to fan you, and you will be the WINNER (if topping the fan rankings is your goal, that is)
11:46 AM on 01/05/2010
When people can definitelytell us what is under our own feet I will start believing what they say about distant worlds they can see as dots and coloured spectrum.

Come on What beneath me !!!
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01:11 PM on 01/05/2010
I can't resist...Pretty much nothing is beneath you.

Visit the library. Check out a few books on science and inductive and deductive reasoning.
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02:58 PM on 01/05/2010
Rimshot of the Day Award!
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Bitsko
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04:09 PM on 01/05/2010
Something tells me the closest this poster will get to deductive reasoning is from seeing "Sherlock Holmes."
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10:33 AM on 01/05/2010
Nibiru
11:59 AM on 01/05/2010
"Nibiru".

But there are two.

Still, interesting observation.
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american-dolt
Divide and Conquer
01:01 PM on 01/05/2010
So they say, image shows one.
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04:13 PM on 01/05/2010
There's a pretty good point and click adventure game called Nibiru.
http://www.mobygames.com/game/windows/nibiru-age-of-secrets
10:10 AM on 01/05/2010
interesting stuff, but saying that 26,000° is hot enough to melt lead(621°) or iron(2100°) is a galactic understatement (har)
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10:21 AM on 01/05/2010
I noticed that too. Particularily lead which is a soft metal and melts at a much lower temp. Galactic understatement is correct!
11:37 AM on 01/05/2010
26,000ºF is more than twice as hot as the surface of the sun. I'm wondering if this is a mistake as this is as hot as a blue star. I don't see how it's just radiating infrared.
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10:08 AM on 01/05/2010
If it's that hot, maybe it's Paris Hilton's house.
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09:55 AM on 01/05/2010
Actually, Kepler gave us his 3 laws of planetary motion, which inspired Newton's laws of motion. Given Kepler 3 laws and Newton's laws we should know more than this article tells us. First, when a planet revolves around a star the star wobbles, and the more massive the companion the more pronounced the wobble - kinda like swinging your child around in a circle you have to lean backwards and where your hands meet is called the barycenter of mutually orbiting bodies; therefore, we can determine the masses of the bodies and stars must achieve a critical mass before igniting. This is why Jupiter never became a star.
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TFlint
10:04 AM on 01/05/2010
A clear explanation.
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11:34 AM on 01/05/2010
Hey! No smart people allowed! This is Meerka, dagnabbit!
09:51 AM on 01/05/2010
I'm hoping for a alien civilization mega-structure, like a Dyson sphere.
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10:31 AM on 01/05/2010
I expect The Doctor can explain this and save the day anytime now - for all we know The Master may have new plans....(being cheeky if one cannot tell)
11:48 PM on 01/05/2010
A Dyson Sphere would be tres wasteful, to let out enough heat to let NASA see it from this far away.

After all, the main advantage of a Dyson Sphere is that it lets you capture a greater percentage of your star's energy. And making one would be A LOT of work, so you can be sure that if a civilization went to that extreme, they'd have a good reason. A completed sphere would likely only radiate a much reduced signature, making it harder to detect, not easier, as a high-temp sphere would be.

And if a Dyson Sphere were radiating at 26,000 degrees (I am sOoo sure this is a typo), the inside of it would be much hotter than that; very highly unlivable.

Sorry, but a don't see a Dyson Sphere announcement soon in NASA'S future.
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09:37 AM on 01/05/2010
I vote for white dawrf or neutron star.
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10:26 AM on 01/05/2010
I vote to wait for the science ... instead of putting any credence in the speculations of anti-vaxer conspiracy theorists!
03:17 PM on 01/05/2010
is there a scientific explanation for Jesus toast?