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BofA Customer: 'Why Can't I See Why You Took My Money?'

First Posted: 03/18/10 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 04:10 PM ET

Vartan

Vartan Altounian has a simple question: Why did Bank of America hit his checking account with two $35 overdraft fees on Dec. 17 if his balance summary shows that his account never went negative?

Altounian, a 55-year-old auto tech line specialist who lives in Canyon Country, Calif., said he cursed Bank of America to the heavens when he saw the statement. When he called a customer service line for an answer, he was told that there was no mistake.

"Why can't I see why you took my money?" he recalled asking. They simply confirmed that they'd taken his money and said it was clear on their end that he'd overdrawn his account. "They go, 'Mr. Altounian this, Mr. Altounian that.' You took my $70! Why can't I see what you see?"

He got the same response when he went to his branch in Los Angeles to complain in person. Bank of America, it seemed, had simply taken 70 bucks without even bothering to try to justify it.

Here's what Altounian's balance looks like for the relevant days:

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It turns out that the bank took Altounian's money in accordance with its established policies for taking people's money. While it appears that Altounian had $73 at the end of the 16th, he actually didn't -- he'd overdrawn his account. But nobody within the bank could explain to him what happened.

After a reporter explained the situation to Bank of America on Thursday, Altounian received a call at work. He said a bank rep explained that three charges that posted on the 17th were from the 16th; they'd been held. A close reading of the somewhat confusing "details" column on his printed statement (which he shared with HuffPost) shows that the description of each of the three charges contains an earlier date: 12-16.

Bank of America doesn't comment on individual customers, but a spokeswoman explained to HuffPost that at the time of purchase a "hold" may sometimes be placed on an account for sums that are debited later. From the fine print:

Purchases made with a Bank of America Visa® debit card where you swipe your card without entering your PIN, select "credit" to complete the transaction, or sign a sales receipt or signature pad for the purchase may not be immediately sent to the bank. Instead, they may take 2 to 3 days to be received, processed by the bank, and posted to your account. In these situations, be aware that the merchant may request an authorization and the bank may immediately reserve or place a hold on the equivalent amount of funds in your account to be sure there are sufficient funds to pay the debit when it's received.

For his trouble, and because he's been a good customer, the Bank of America rep told Altounian he'd be getting his $70 back. Altounian said he asked the rep if he was wrong for getting upset.

"He said, 'I would feel the same way you did,'" Altounian said. "How is the average person supposed to understand this?"

Aside from calling the customer service line on the back of your card, Bank of America recommends its customer-service Twitter page and chat features within the main site, where they've also deployed a walking, talking avatar to address questions about fees.

Altounian said he'd heard of Arianna's "Move Your Money" campaign but just didn't have the energy to close his accounts and redeposit his money with a community bank or credit union -- a classic case of inertia due to "switching costs." He sums it up pretty well:

"Screw this bank," he said. "But it's convenient. They're everywhere. That's why I stay with this bank."

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01:15 PM on 01/25/2010
Move Your Money is a fantastic way to hurt the large banks.
But an addtional way to organize the consumer and the middle class, who have been taken for a ride down the economic slide, is to stop spending for large ticket items.
The corporations need the consumer and if we have a spending blackout for a short period, in a month like February and not buy big ticket items such as autos, furniture, applicances, and all electronic items, we can put a dent in the GDP for a brief period. Wall St will slide and the value of stocks will go down for the large corporations and big banks who will evidentually whine.
Now one whould say this is not practical. But it is if we organize and do this as a message that the consumer, holds this hand in this country, then maybe this class warfare will heat up and give us the hand we presently hold. The Supreme Court is not on our side as we found out last week.
All I say is " Move Your Money and Hold It".
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Bob Soper
08:10 AM on 01/14/2010
I love my credit union! Low interest on my VISA, great customer service- and the actually hire enough tellers so u don't wait in line all day!
06:15 PM on 01/11/2010
Bank of America did EXACTLY the same thing to us, except they charged us FOUR $35 overdraft fees and refused to refund ANY of them. We were NEVER overdrawn, but, according to the "customer service rep" (what a misnomer THAT term is), because of "pending" authorizations, and the way Bank of America REORDERS payments, we were "technically" overdrawn. Our account NEVER appeared to be overdrawn. We have begun the move to a local bank and expect to close the Bank of America account within 2 weeks.
11:06 AM on 01/11/2010
welcome to the 'new normal' - no jobs, but record bonuses for wall street. A cabinet largely indifferent to the struggle of average Americans. What a joke.
hat tip to http://iamned-website.blogspot.com
05:47 PM on 01/10/2010
Same thing happened to me. Their internal database and the web access database don't have the same timing.
12:26 PM on 01/10/2010
COME ON EVERYONE!

Just take out your calculators and do the math. He did overdraw his account. If you have a bank account with any bank, big or small, you have to allow your checks some time to clear. It may be difficult to believe, but check fraud is rampant in the US. He was treading on very thin ice and fell through.
07:04 PM on 01/10/2010
Still, BoA needs to take out their calculator and get the statements correct. His statement should have exactly reflected his error and show him clearly why he had to pay the fee. Which party is committing fraud over a million times a day by having computer software that is intentionally design to hide information from people's account statements? Not Mr. Altounian.
06:17 PM on 01/11/2010
This is not "check clearing"...this is the apparently COMMON practice of the bank clearing a payment which was made using a debit card, but HOLDING equal (sometimes twice) funds. Why? BECAUSE THEY CAN! Anyone who thinks the big banks give a rat's you know what about them is deluded.
10:40 AM on 01/10/2010
I went into a B of A one time to cash a check someone had given me. I didn't bank at B if A but the check I was trying to cash was from that branch. They charged ME $5 to cash the check because I personally did not have an account there. WTF? Pull a fee out of your ass, why don't ya! We are getting 'FEED' to death! Who are these banks accountable to? Or, a better question might be "WHY aren't they accountable?
08:00 AM on 01/10/2010
So maybe Mr. Altounian's account really was overdrawn. The error BoA made ... and I consider this a BIG SERIOUS ERROR, warranting tens of thousands of dollars in civil penalties, if not jail time, per incident (we should have a law for this) ... is not reporting every detail of this on his statement. Yes, that means every HOLD, too. If the HOLD can affect how your account functions, then NOT reporting it is outright FRAUD. IMHO, the C-level execs should spend a day in jail for each instance this kind of fraud happens.
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geebee2222
07:28 AM on 01/10/2010
I would rather deal with the mafia!
08:02 AM on 01/10/2010
If you have an account at BoA or any of several other big banks, then you already are.
12:43 PM on 01/09/2010
Oddly enough, with Chase, I was able to put a "No Overdraft" hold on all my accounts. Simply put, overdraft is not permitted. Under all circumstances, ff the funds are not available, the transaction does not occur.

In the spirit of "Move Your Money" I went to a local bank listed from their website. They couldn't offer me the same protection. Neither could Capital One. While at TD Bank, an associate had to check with a manager and hours later call me to confirm that can enable No-overdraft on accounts. The lower level employees at both Capital One and TD Bank had trouble understanding the concept.
12:45 PM on 01/09/2010
The local bank I visited was "Trustco Bank", in Hartsdale (Westchester County), NY.
12:24 PM on 01/09/2010
When I was a kid, I started a (very small) savings account with BofA with some of my summer money. A few months into the winter it was all completely gone, Eaten up by fees.

I don't like Bank of America very much at all. lol

I live in LA and have a credit union that's far from my house, but I use that giant machine at many 7/11's to deposit checks, withdraw, etc with no fees. Those credit union CO-Op machines are everywhere!

PS, Judging by the comments, BoFa's obviously got some social media pr folks workin' hard right now!
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RButler
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07:26 AM on 01/09/2010
B of A took over from Security Pacific back in the 80s, so I grudgingly kept them cause of the convenient locations and ATMs in Los Angeles county. However, back in the 90s while awaiting my new MasterCard to be mailed to me, I got my statement and eagerly opened because I had recently paid off the balance. To my surprise, their was a fraudulent $3000 charge for a computer. BofA sent me a 1 page form to fill out and the matter was handle quite easily.

Last summer, I noticed a small charge on my MasterCard with a late fee plus interest. I called and told them I didn't recall getting the statement and they took the fees and interest off without a hassle. I want to help with this campaign but I'm torn because I haven't had any real problems with BofA, rarely go to the branch office, only use a BofA ATM to make deposits and usually get cash back from stores with a purchase. Plus, I have so many automatic debits for bill paying, automatic disability benefits deposts plus online banking that I would have to move and setup and it works pretty well. I don't use my BofA MasterCard nor do I use them for loans.

So, I'm going to check out some community banks and credit unions to see if they can provide the services that I do use and go from there.
07:51 AM on 01/10/2010
If you are torn about the decision by basing it entirely on the services offered, maybe you could also consider the general impact that bank has on the whole economy. Research their track record. Go find out how much they are throwing people out on the street instead of working with them to keep people in their homes. BTW, every time a bank forecloses on a house, the downward pressure on the housing market increases because that puts another house on the market without a corresponding buyer. As long as that is happening, one of the critical elements of an economic recovery is not working. Just research for yourself to see what they are doing, and then make your decision.
06:38 AM on 01/09/2010
Bank of America just bought my mortgage from Countrywide Mortgage and the change over was to be on Nov 9th. Because I never got any communications from them (which of course they said they sent), I sent my Nov and Dec payments to Countrywide on the 3rd of each month. They were automatically transferred to BoA. Unfortunately because I didn't get the letter, I also didn't know that my escrow had gone up because of new higher taxes. So, I did finally receive notice from BoA, but it was about late fees I had to pay because I hadn't paid the extra amount for the escrow. Although short, November's was accepted, Decembers was kept in holding.

Because they said they sent me a letter, it was my fault. Approx. $350 dollars later, they were sorry for the inconvenience it was causing me!

Inconvenience?
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juanjo
04:43 PM on 01/11/2010
I have had a similar problem with them. I did get the notice and since I have everything on automatic payment, I switched it all around to conform with their instructions in the letter. I have been charged late fees the past two payments even though their website shows the payment was received on the 9th of each month. The payment is not late until the 15th of the month. Despite repeated phone calls they still have not been able to explain the reason for the late fees nor the reason why they won't remove the late fees.
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gregrocker
What has the Right ever been right about?
01:35 AM on 01/09/2010
It's admirable but not practical for a European traveler who gets free ATM withdrawals at affiliates in nearly every country. Lose my card - it is expressed overnight from USA. I've never been charged a fee for anything.
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Acharn
04:29 AM on 01/11/2010
Really? I live in Thailand. I have a VISA card from BofA and another one from a credit union. The credit union doesn't charge any fees. BofA charges me a fee for using an ATM here to make a withdrawal, then charges me another fee for foreign currency exchange. I am trying to pay the BofA card down and stop using it altogether. Oh, yeah, it also has a 28%APR. I've hated BofA since they ran the military banking system in the 60's and 70's, but they bought the bank I was using before, so I had to move my checking account.
02:17 PM on 01/08/2010
WF is guilt of the same kind of charges and they have yet to come up with a flippin reason why, which is why I no longer have an account there.