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DEB RIECHMANN   01/11/10 05:00 PM ET   AP

KABUL — Six NATO service members, including three Americans, were killed in Afghanistan on Monday – the deadliest day for the international force in more than two months, underscoring fears that casualties will rise as more foreign troops stream into the country.

Nevertheless, a new poll says Afghans are more optimistic than a year ago and think the Taliban are losing momentum.

The top U.S. commander in Afghanistan said he thought the rising presence of international forces was blunting the militants. Gen. Stanley McChrystal said the international force is on its way to convincing the Afghan people that it was there to protect them.

"When I sit in an area that the Taliban controlled only seven months ago and now you meet with ... elders and they describe with considerable optimism the future, you sense the tide is turning," he told ABC News about a recent trip to Helmand province where many of the U.S. reinforcements will be sent.

Afghans also think better days are ahead, according to the opinion poll, conducted last month before the suicide bombing that killed seven employees at a CIA base. About 40 percent of Afghans believe the Taliban insurgency is weaker than it was a year ago; 30 percent think it has gotten stronger and 25 percent believe the strength of the insurgency remains the same.

Nearly seven in 10 Afghans support the presence of U.S. forces and 61 percent favor the military buildup, according to the survey, the fifth commissioned by ABC, the BBC and ARD German TV since 2005. President Barack Obama announced last month that the U.S. is sending 30,000 more American troops to Afghanistan, bringing the total to nearly 98,000. NATO is sending 7,000 reinforcements.

Although polling in a war zone is often problematic, the results suggest that most Afghans neither support the Taliban nor share the concerns in the West about the legitimacy of President Hamid Karzai's re-election after a fraud-riddled election. They also underscore the ambivalence of the public about the foreign forces, which are still held in low regard here.

The new violence came despite the onset of winter weather.

The three Americans were killed in a firefight with militants during a patrol in an undisclosed area of southern Afghanistan, the NATO command announced. That raised to at least 10 the number of U.S. service members killed in Afghanistan so far this year, according to an Associated Press tally.

A French soldier also was killed and another was seriously wounded during a joint patrol with Afghan troops in the Alasay district of Kapisa province, an area largely under insurgent control.

NATO said another service member was killed in the clash but did not release the nationality. It said a sixth service member was killed by a roadside bomb in the south.

British authorities later announced the death of a British bomb disposal expert as a result of an explosion in the Musa Qaleh area of Helmand Province. It was unclear if this death was in addition to the ones already announced by NATO.

The previous deadliest day for the U.S. force was Oct. 27, when eight American troops were killed in an assault on a remote outpost in eastern Afghanistan. Seven CIA officials and a Jordanian intelligence officer also were killed in the Dec. 30 suicide bombing at Camp Chapman in Khost province.

While Afghans support the presence of foreign forces, the overall image of the U.S. and NATO remains weak, according to the poll released Monday.

Fifty-nine percent of the Afghans surveyed rated the work of the U.S. and NATO as either poor or fair; 38 percent rated the U.S. effort as good or excellent; and 3 percent had no opinion. NATO forces had slightly better marks: 62 percent rated NATO fair or poor; 35 percent rated the alliance's work good and excellent; and 4 percent had no opinion.

The main change in the Afghans' view of the United States and NATO forces was diminished blame for their overall role in violence. Forty-two percent of Afghans now blame the violence on the Taliban – up from 27 percent a year ago. Seventeen percent blame the U.S., NATO or the Afghan security forces, down from 36 percent a year ago. But 66 percent said airstrikes by the U.S. and international forces were unacceptable because they endangered too many innocent civilians, even though they might help defeat militants.

After steep declines in recent years, seven in 10 Afghans think their nation is headed in the right direction. That's up 30 percentage points since January 2009. The number of Afghans who expect their lives will be better a year from now also has jumped 20 percentage points from a year ago – to a new high of 71 percent, the poll said.

However, Afghans' views about the direction the nation was headed are gloomier in high-conflict areas, such as Helmand, the heart of the Afghan poppy trade and the Taliban-led insurgency, the poll said.

Despite eight years of war, 61 percent of the Afghans surveyed said they expect their children will have a better life – up 14 percentage points in the past 12 months, according to the poll.

Abdul Salam Zaeef, a former Taliban ambassador to Pakistan, does not share the optimism. In an interview with the AP earlier this week, Zaeef said he thought the situation in the country was deteriorating – that Afghanistan was moving in the wrong direction.

"I'm not optimistic that something positive will happen in Afghanistan," he said. "Anything happening – it will be negative."

But according to the poll, the Taliban does not enjoy overwhelming support from the public. Asked whether they wanted Afghanistan run by the Taliban or the current government, 90 percent said they favored Karzai's government.

British Foreign Secretary David Miliband called the poll results "striking and significant"

"Our greatest resource in Afghanistan is the fact that the Afghan people don't want to go back to Taliban misrule," Miliband told BBC Radio 4's World at One.

"The important thing now is that we take advantage of the sense of optimism ... (and) don't rest on our laurels, because next year is an absolutely key year for Afghanistan," he said.

The poll of a national random sample of 1,534 adults in all 34 Afghan provinces was conducted from Dec. 11 to Dec. 23. The margin of error is plus or minus 3 percentage points. The interviews were conducted in person by the Afghan Center for Socio-Economic and Opinion Research in Kabul, a subsidiary of D3 Systems Inc. in Vienna, Va.

The survey tracks a turnaround in public attitudes toward the Afghan government and the country's embattled, yet growing, security forces.

Seventy percent gave positive ratings to Karzai and the Afghan National Army – up from 52 percent and 57 percent, respectively. And six of 10 Afghans gave their government and the Afghan National Police positive ratings – up from 49 percent and 57 percent, respectively.

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04:21 AM on 01/12/2010
Six dead and each death is a very personal occasion. I feel it a disservice to forget the troops in the ideology arguments. I am an Army Vet 1965-66, and also a veteran of the 'Summer of Love'. Here is a little time out from a group who performed free concerts in the panhandle of Golden Gate Park when they started out. I was there and I remember it. It was one of the best times in those war years for an angry disillusioned veteran who has learned that wars are started by chickenhawks and continued by wall street.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rArmFRkaFY
03:28 AM on 01/12/2010
Bottom line is: American and other NATO forces are seen as invaders and occupants. This brings a lot of folks on the side of the Taliban simply from solidarity. If my house or my neighbors house was hit by a bomb or a drone I would be mad and try to fight the intruder. This simple truth is not understood by the American military and the American president. Leaving Afghanistan now can minimize the bloodshed, staying longer will only cause more pain.
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01:08 AM on 01/12/2010
I expect that these casualty numbers will begin to climb rapidly in the next two to four months. That's a no-brainer.

And if the U.S./NATO enlarges offensive actions agains the "Taliban," increases its use of drones and aerial attack/assassination tactics, I think any favorable opinion of the U.S./NATO occupation will be almost impossible to find outside of the mansions in walled and gaurded compounds in Kabul.
03:46 PM on 01/11/2010
Let's all understand what this poll is really saying. First, the poll shows support for NATO and the U.S. in the northern and western regions, where the old "Northern Alliance" is centered, and where resistance to the Taliban was always higher.The Northern Alliance had their butts handed to them by the Taliban, and their only hope in reconstituting a government of their "peers" is to ride in on the coattails of NATO and the U.S. Second, support for NATO and the U.S. is high in areas currently controlled by the war-lords and their militias, which again tends to be in the North and West. These war-lords (and drug lords), and other associated riff-raff are bought and paid for by NATO and the U.S.; they are provided weapons, money, political leverage, and all manner of other perks by our forces, so of course they are going to "support" us. Third, the South and East is predominantly Pashtun (i.e. Taliban), however, other regions of the country are predominantly Tadjik, Ubeck, Hazara and Turkmen. They are not friendly with the Pashtun, and bristle at Pashtun-controlled rule. They of course want the Taliban marginalized, and will "support" NATO and the U.S. as long as that is the presumed goal. To the extent that NATO and the U.S. continue to help "local" war lords, clans, and militias pursue their own agendas, vendettas, and goals, they will continue to be "popular" with them.
09:23 PM on 01/11/2010
The poll is saying is that Afghans feel hopeful for the future, that they respect strength, and that not all of them are bearded fundamentalist dedicated to Islami( despite the liberal dogma to the contrary).
Deal with it.....
09:47 PM on 01/11/2010
Oh "Oleg", how much do they pay you to prattle on like that? This "poll" was conducted by D3 Systems, a tiny "company" based in Vienna, Virginia. Various reports indicate that it has approximately ten employees, yet it claims to have operated in over ninety-five countries to date. It touts itself as providing "full service research", and for getting its clients "the answers that (they) need", in pursuit of "public policy formulation" (got that right). Curiously, they don't list the names of any of its directors, and all other information about the company is missing from its website.

Just so you know: this "poll" was commissioned for D3 Systems by something called the "Afghan Center for Socio-Economic and Opinion Research". Coincidentally, D3 Systems founded the "Afghan Center for Socio-Economic and Opinion Research". Also, one of the financial backers of this "poll" was the Asia Foundation, which was outed as a front for the Central Intelligence Agency years ago. Finally, the "Afghan Center for Socio-Economic and Opinion Research" acknowledges receiving "generous funding" from the Asia Foundation.

Is that plain enough for you, or does somebody have to connect the dots for you?
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.....last one out, turn off the lights.
03:18 PM on 01/11/2010
You won't find this true headline even on a supposedly progressive site:
US FORCES KILL, ON AVERAGE, THREE CHILDREN PER DAY IN AFGANISTAN.
If an occupation force did that in this country, would it be ok to watch TV all night?
03:26 PM on 01/11/2010
If you are against the war in afganistan, then go and do something about it.
Go on the streets and protest, write letters to the white house, try to get on the tv networks to get your message out there.
Remember the protest against the wars in iraq (world wide)and vietnam? Try and organise some protests
03:48 PM on 01/11/2010
What a mindless comment. Who are you to tell him what to do? Maybe he should gather all your fans an organize a huge protest.

As if the US Govt pays attention to any "protesters" corralled into "Free Speech Zones" away from it all. Lol...
03:35 PM on 01/11/2010
proof?
03:49 PM on 01/11/2010
read.
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.....last one out, turn off the lights.
12:22 AM on 01/12/2010
Perhaps their ghosts could haunt your remaining nights.
Occupation looks very quaint from your living room, doesn't it.
blogisti
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03:12 PM on 01/11/2010
Does that include the three children a day number? If the Taliban lived in an American city I wonder how passive Americans would be to bomb, drone and infantry attacks in their neighborhood?
03:51 PM on 01/11/2010
Don't worry. It's happening already. Goldman Sachs, BOA, AIG, et al are doing much more to the US cites and citizens than the Taliban could ever DREAM of doing. And they (the citizens) are paying them to do it to boot!

Pretty soon they'll run out of funds to carry out this empire management program (perpetual warring).
02:15 AM on 01/12/2010
the government shouldnt have bailed them out. nothings to big to fail.
02:10 PM on 01/11/2010
Hey just to add a bit of balance to the never ending doom-mongering about Afghanistan on HuffPo...

How about this in the Guardian today...

"Afghans more optimistic about future, poll suggests. Despite mounting casualties among Nato troops, 70% of population think country is heading in right direction."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/11/afghanistan-afghans-poll-optimism
01:22 PM on 01/11/2010
Obama sez...
Time is running out.
Send in the clowns (drones).
01:02 PM on 01/11/2010
Don't believe the poll that gives U.S. troops a 68 percent approval rating among Afghanis. Do you think they might not answer such a question truthfully? Afghanis view Nato and the U.S. as occupying troops, and no population "approves" of such a presence. In any event, if one-third the population disapproves of the occupation, the soldiers are in for a rough time.
01:16 PM on 01/11/2010
If we're not to believe the poll, why should we believe you?

Both makes assumptions, one that people want the NATO presence for security, and yours that they view NATO as an occupying force.
03:54 PM on 01/11/2010
Hipster, forgive the Dizmo. He knoweth not of which he speaks.

Of course they view us as we are - a GD Occupying Force. How else should they view us? And like you said, it's that 1/3rd you have to worry about anyway.

A darn poll. Oh, all is well!
12:47 PM on 01/11/2010
Obama is making a big mistake, one that will probably derail his presidency. Americans in Afghanistan have bad intelligence, no language skills and only the faintest understanding of Afghan society. Apparently the woman who was the CIA station chief which was attacked by the Jordanian physician had no previous experience in country nor any running a CIA station.
09:20 AM on 01/12/2010
Perhaps Sarah Palin will be the next CIA chief in Afganistan. LOL.
12:34 PM on 01/11/2010
American forces will continue to die in Afghanistan, until the American war machine fully understand that these Taliban fighters are well trained and fully motivated! These fighters are now numbering around 30,000, and they continue to get new recruits from Russia, Asia and Africa! Taliban are broken up into (4) groups! and believe it or not, one of the ways to know which group is by the way they tie their turbans! One of the least known of the Taliban group, known as the 'Black Taliban'. They consider the most ruthless of the (4) taliban groups, these fighters are from variety of countries outside Afghnistan. And, it is reported that the leaders of the Taliban are using tactics of famed general of the Muslim army in the 7th Century, that drove out the Romans from the Middle East, Khalid Ibn Al Walid! The American public still believes that the Taliban and other fighters of the Islamic faith are nothing more than rag-tag bomb carriers, and not skilled fighters since they don turbans instead of army helmets! The Taliban are skilled fighters and their generals should be respected or the Americans will continue to suffer loses! Arrogance and continue drone attacks that are killing and wiping out villages will only harden the resolve of the Taliban and their supporters!
03:58 PM on 01/11/2010
Be careful if you live in america. We have free speech, but not that much. You could be punished and not allowed to ride an airplane. That's what we do to those who speak too freely.

In the end, hope you live in a better place.

Your First Fan.
01:59 AM on 01/12/2010
We expect to suffer loses. Its war right. You sound like one of them all up with all the ranting. Anyway we fully know how capible the t-ban are. Thanks for the pep talk. Ill pass your message up the chain of command.lol
02:04 AM on 01/12/2010
correction "all riled up with all the ranting"
12:26 PM on 01/11/2010
And it's one, two, three what'er we fightin' for...........
12:53 PM on 01/11/2010
We' in the West f are fighting to defeat our enemies and reconstruct the country we helped ( along with warlords, Pakistan, China, Saudi Arabia and countless fundie mullahs) take apart.
That's the least we owe to the people of Afghanistan.
03:55 PM on 01/11/2010
How did China "help take apart" Afghanistan?
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01:09 AM on 01/12/2010
Be the first one on your block
to have you're boy come home in a box . . . .
02:02 AM on 01/12/2010
you gotta love the libs for comments like that.
12:25 PM on 01/11/2010
Fresh joint ABC, BBC, ARD poll:

Nearly seven in 10 Afghans support the presence of U.S. forces in their country...

61 percent favor the military buildup of 37,000 U.S. and NATO reinforcements

61 % of the Afghans surveyed said they expect the next generation will have a better life — up 14% percent in the past 12 months

42 %percent of Afghans blame the Taliban for the violence — up 27 percent from a year ago.

17% blame the U.S. and NATO, or the Afghan government or Afghan security forces — down 36 percent from a year ago.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100111/ap_on_re_as/as_afghan_poll

Now it is time to demoralize and defeat Taliban/AQ and begin reconstruction of the country the world helped to demolish.
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12:36 PM on 01/11/2010
The occupation conducts a poll about how popular the troops are: flowers are strewn under their feet. Or IED's, whatever.
12:36 PM on 01/11/2010
Not the sharpest "Blade" in the drawer that's for sure. Keep cheerleading though. Do your part. But it's all futile in the end, with a huge price to pay in money and lives wasted.
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12:22 PM on 01/11/2010
You don't know, or you don't care?
http://www.unknownnews.net/casualties.html
12:27 PM on 01/11/2010
I care. About all of them. Just making a point.
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12:33 PM on 01/11/2010
My point too. I care about all of them.
11:29 AM on 01/11/2010
Somewhere, the families of six very brave individuals are living a nightmare that will never end. My heart is with you all, especially our three Americans. God Bless You.
12:40 PM on 01/11/2010
How are they always "brave"? Are they "brave" by default? Or are the casualties anointed as "brave" while those still living are yet to be determined?

What's so brave about being unemployed and unemmployable, perhaps uneducated, so you have to join the military and support them kids? And volunteer for your third and fourth tour in both arenas?

What's so brave about being willing to ki11 for any reason, just to get some green federal reserve notes pieces of paper?

Brave, yeah, right.
01:09 PM on 01/11/2010
Horrible. You wouldn't know "brave" if it bit you in your ash, yet you demean these soldiers. Another keyboard commando.
02:58 PM on 01/11/2010
I'm with you on this, Sirdi. Also, the 'God Bless You" is a real indicator of lack of intelligence. Probably a new recruit. Anyhow, yeah, we're 'brave' alright. We lose six soldiers in one day, and suddenly the sh*t has hit the fan. We're a nation of bloody cowards, losers, idiots and intolerable SOABs. If Sun Tzu, Frederick William I, Mehmed II or any other leader in history was around, they would look at this landscape and say "What in the world have you done to your people?!".
05:44 PM on 01/11/2010
LOL. I'd like to see all you in a room with one of these men or a family who has lost one of them. You'd crraaap yourselves like a baby with too many pureed prunes in his pablum. T uRds and cowards. All of you.
08:55 AM on 01/12/2010
Eleanor, you are only feeding their self justification. Stop wasting your time. I would rather talk to a Talib, at least he picked a side and has the courage of his convictions to fight and die for it if need be (our job is to help him on his way). I try to sty with a basic rule of civility on the internet: Don't say something to someone you wouldn't say directly to their face. People like the above who go out of their way to insult and provoke are showing cowardice by intentionally picking fights likde the one you are in. After all, we can buy our speech for free in this country, but we also get to own the asswhupping that may follow. They have no point, they have no real ideas, they are just venting their personal frustrations out of their parent's basement and laughing at your attempts to engage. Please don't waste your time with them anymore.