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GOP Criticism Of Obama On Underwear Bomber Is Way Off-Base, Says JAG

First Posted: 03/18/10 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 04:10 PM ET

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If Republican critics of President Obama are to be believed, the administration made one of the biggest blunders in national security history when it placed the accused underwear bomber in the criminal justice system as opposed to the military alternative.

Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab was about to spill the beans on all of al Qaeda, the argument goes, before the White House tied both hands behind its back -- unilaterally limiting the type of interrogation procedures it could use on the suspect and then providing him unnecessarily with an attorney.

It's simply not true, say legal experts, including officials who formerly served in the military tribunal system.

James Cullen, a retired brigadier general who served as a JAG officer, tells the Huffington Post that there are narrow differences between the legal and interrogation proceedings Abdulmutallab was subjected to and those which would have happened in a military commission.

Contrary to conventional wisdom, the suspect would have been granted access to a lawyer if he had been put in a military system. In fact, he may have had easier access to an attorney.

"The military is not some type of Soviet show-trial kangaroo court," said Cullen. "Absolutely he would have gotten a lawyer."

Indeed, a study completed by The Century Foundation, a non-partisan research foundation, noted that under Defense Department rules, "regardless of a defendant's wishes, he will have a military lawyer appointed to him at government expense. However, he may have a regular criminal defense attorney only if he arranges and pays for it himself."

But, the next question goes: isn't there a difference -- with regard to the civilian and military systems -- in the time that can elapse between when a suspect is captured and when he or she has to be granted legal representation? Not all that much, says Cullen. Abdulmutallab, for starters, was questioned for 30 hours before requesting a lawyer. Military personnel might have had more time. But not all that much.

More broadly, even in a civil system, authorities can question a suspect without reading them their Miranda rights for a limited amount of time as long as there is "no intention to try the person" and it is "purely for intelligence purposes." This is little different then in a military setting, where -- if the detaining authority wants to prosecute the detainee -- the impetus is on bringing legal counsel into the equation early on. "If you want to prosecute you can't foul up the process," explained Cullen.

Nonetheless, conservative circles are howling about Obama's grievous misstep, insisting that valuable information was basically left secret.

"When you indict him, you immediately read him his Miranda rights, you give him a lawyer and he stops talking," Senate Minority Whip Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., said Sunday. "You can pursue a court action against this person later on if you want to, but right now the key thing is intelligence." There was, the Weekly Standard's Bill Kristol said on Fox News, a "failure to get information that we might have gotten."

There is a similar mischaracterization over what can be done in terms of interrogating the detainee, claim Cullen and others. Republican critics of the president insist that Obama forfeited effective interrogation measures by declining to go the route of a military commission. But there are limitations to what even military interrogators could do with Abdulmutallab. Under the Military Commissions Act, the army field manual has come to dictate the scope of interrogations. This means that tough measures are now out of bounds even if prolonged isolation and sleep deprivation are still permissible. It has also compelled the military to adopt the techniques used by their civilian counterparts in the FBI (lest they risk lessening the chance of securing a conviction).

"In either case you are going to rub up, at some point, against a constitutional standard," said Cullen. "You have diminished the detainee's ability to participate in a defense... we know that people will have a marked deterioration of mental facilities when you combine isolation with other circumstances."

"There would be significant constraints if someone were placed immediately to the military justice system just as they are when placed into the civilian justice system," said Emily Berman, counsel in the liberty and national security project at the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University.

There is, as Berman notes, a third option that the Obama administration could have used with regards to Abdulmutallab. That would be to designate him an enemy combatant and send him either to Gitmo or a so-called black site. This would allow the administration to hold the detainee indefinitely with limitations on legal contact. But the White House is currently trying to close Gitmo and wind down indefinite detentions. And they would be essentially forfeiting a conviction by going this route.

Moreover, the message itself doesn't necessarily fit within the administration's broader goals in the fight against al Qaeda. As Stacy Sullivan, counterterrorism adviser at Human Rights Watch posits: "al Qaeda views itself as warriors... Our argument is you shouldn't elevate their status to that. They are criminals and you should treat them just like criminals."


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If Republican critics of President Obama are to be believed, the administration made one of the biggest blunders in national security history when it placed the accused underwear bomber in the crimina...
If Republican critics of President Obama are to be believed, the administration made one of the biggest blunders in national security history when it placed the accused underwear bomber in the crimina...
 
 
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billobasher
09:36 PM on 01/12/2010
Whenever CONS start calling Obama "weak" on terror. Just say three words. "THE CRAWFORD MEMO," August 2001.
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billobasher
09:35 PM on 01/12/2010
Uh, Who was running the show when America was hit by the biggest errror attack in the history of the world? Who ignored that CIA memo in Crawford, Texas, in August of 2001? Hate to break it to you CONS. His name was not Clinton, or Obama.
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Winning09
08:25 PM on 01/12/2010
These right-wingers not only were never in the service, they never watched the great TV show "JAG!"

I love it!
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06:38 PM on 01/12/2010
If you feel that Obama is not representing your voice, let the republicans take back congress and the white house. See if they will do a better job at representing you. Do you think that a republican congress will give you a public option or same sex marriage? The public option would be up for the POTUS signature today if there were more left leaning Democrats in congress and the other in months to come. We could have told Lieberman and the blue dogs to go to hell.
Fox opinions and the retugs know they are at war, 24/7, with Obama and the Democratic congress. Obama and the democrats need to wake up and fight. I say, “To hell with non partisanship”. The republicans have shown they don’t want any part of it.
The democratic mantra should be “NO REPUBLICANS IN TWENTY TEN”.
The democratic get out to vote campaign should be in play today.
Lets get rid of some more republicans and then change can happen.”
gconners
A Hard Rain's A-Gonna Fall
05:34 PM on 01/12/2010
Can we try to remember that this kid planned on being dead right now? He didn't expect to be here. Don't you think that maybe he's not really worried about "...his Miranda rights...", "..getting a lawyer.." or "talking or not talking..". As noted above, they want to "view themselves as warriors...you shouldn't elevate their status...They are criminals and you should treat them just like criminals."
04:37 PM on 01/12/2010
The title to this article is misleading. Having a retired military JAG officer explain the process is not the same as a qualified statement from the JAG Office itself on this issue.

Having said that, I think that wherever this kid is tried, AQ will use it as an excuse to attack Americans for keeping one of their own in "the big Satans" prisons. And, if anyone thinks this kid won't be "tortured" in an American prison, they are just naive. There are all kinds of "torture" from different people. The fact still remains, however, that this kid had no problem with being the torturer himself in trying to bomb a plane out of the sky with almost 300 people on board.
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mcvet
History will educate you on the future
03:49 PM on 01/12/2010
Hey when you are part of the Republiklan Party why allow facts to get in the way of HONEST hate!
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Hoosierbrad
I know it when I see it.
02:14 PM on 01/12/2010
As a former prosecutor I find the outright stupidity of comments from the "right" on this issue to be disturbing. It is obvious that our society learns more from the fiction it sees on T.V. than the reality they are subjected to in a classroom. I fear for our future.
06:36 PM on 01/12/2010
Oh, counselor I'd like to have it entered into the record; that there appears to be plenty of stupidly on all sides of the issue.
01:28 PM on 01/12/2010
The great irony being that it's precisely those released Yemenis -- whose dehu.manization and tor.ture at Guantanamo Dick Cheney so chillingly defends -- that helped plan this attack. Way to keep us safer, Sir!
12:40 PM on 01/12/2010
The pattern is quite clear. Righties will say nothing good about Obama, period. They just won't and we shouldn't expect them to, this is who they are.
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Joe The Nerd Ferraro
Group IQ is inversely proportional to group size.
11:45 AM on 01/12/2010
Great choice -
beat the tar out of him to get bad info and no conviction
against
actually allowing professionals to do their jobs to get the info properly and lock this guy up for good.

great choice
11:45 AM on 01/12/2010
Criticize the underwear bomber comments 2 days later, forget the shoe bomber comments 6 days later? I guess because the shoe bomber didn't throw them at W it was all cool? LOL!! Republicans really are making their party out to be a joke. Mavericks turned rogue, uncle toms' turned chairman turned rogue! :) LMAO, this is just too much for one man to enjoy!
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jsgaetano
Legum servi sumus ut liberi esse possimus
11:45 AM on 01/12/2010
Perhaps the Goopers, Cheney included, can explain why under the Bush Administration over 300 people were convicted of terrorism in civilian courts... but fewer than 20 in military courts. So that means the Loyal Bushies only prosecuted 15% of terrorists in military courts... and the costs of doing so were far more (both morally and fiscally).

If conservatives had spent half the time fighting terrorists than they did fighting oversight and accountability, 9/11 could have never happened. But to the conservative mind, their greatest enemy is the American people- always has been, always will be.
10:54 AM on 01/12/2010
The GOP is just ticked off because Obama did not act like the 'puppet' did when it happened on his watch. Losers all of them
gconners
A Hard Rain's A-Gonna Fall
05:47 PM on 01/12/2010
Agreed! Obama said: "I take responsibility." and "The buck stops with me."
Bush said: "I can't think of any mistakes I made."
10:46 AM on 01/12/2010
Of the past 6 presidents Obama has the lowest approval and highest disapproval at the end of the first year. Gallup:

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/obama_worst_first_year_ratings.php

And today's numbers from CBS even worse news for Obama
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OneLiberalLady
Liberals rock!
11:02 AM on 01/12/2010
We'll take a president of intelligence and integrity who is willing to stand up for the rule of law every time, thank you very much.
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Lilly-G
11:18 AM on 01/12/2010
yes ma'am, you got that right.
09:14 AM on 01/13/2010
Cheers!
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PWM
Eisenhower Republican. Liberalism = Liberty
11:19 AM on 01/12/2010
"Of the post-World War II presidents, Obama now is the fourth fastest to drop below the majority approval level, doing so in his 10th month on the job. Gerald Ford dropped below 50% approval during his third month in office, and Bill Clinton did so in his fourth month. Ronald Reagan, like Obama, also dropped below 50% in his 10th month in office, though Reagan's drop occurred a few days sooner in that month (Nov. 13-16, 1981) than did Obama's (Nov. 17-19, 2009)." Source http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_6901/is_2009_Nov_20/ai_n42369080/

Big deal. Reagan and Clinton has less than 50% and won a second term. Gallup lost all crediblitity when the named Beck the most popular person in America, when in reality apart from the fox news listeners, around a mere 1% of the population watch his show and most americans don't know who he is.