Rangel: 'We've Got A Problem On Both Sides Of The Capitol'

First Posted: 01-12-10 07:30 PM   |   Updated: 01-12-10 09:55 PM

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Speaker Nancy Pelosi pushed the House health care position forward on Tuesday night, insisting that a national health insurance exchange is "essential" and that a surtax on the wealthy is still "the best pay-for" that either bill includes.

The Senate bill includes state-based exchanges, whereas the House creates a national exchange, arguing that only a national exchange can create the kind of competition needed and allow for serious regulatory oversight. "It is essential to having a workable plan," Pelosi (D-Calif.) told reporters. [Update: Pelosi's full quote: "It is essential to having a workable plan is to have an exchange that meets certain workable standards. How that is defined we shall see." That leaves room for the national exchange to be rejected and the "we shall see" doesn't exhibit full confidence, to say the least.]

The Associated Press is reporting that Obama is siding with the House against conservative Democrats in the Senate.

How to pay for the health care expansion is perhaps the most contentious issue remaining. Pelosi point to President Obama, who campaigned against a tax on "Cadillac" insurance plans, when asked about the excise tax. "The president wants to have a Cadillac tax," she said, but added that she was not giving up on a surtax on the rich.

"I think it's the best pay-for that we have so far," she said. According to the Congressional Budget Office, the 5.4 percent surtax on income over $1 million for joint filers would raise more than $450 billion over 10 years.

Rep. Charlie Rangel (D-N.Y.), chairman of the Ways and Means Committee, said that he and other Democrats would press the president when he meets with the caucus on Thursday. Will he be able to sway him?

"I hope so," said Rangel. "That's stretching the word hope." The president, he said, can be very persuasive.

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The president's position is strengthened because few House Democrats want to be the vote that takes down the health care bill, no matter how weak it may be. "Never has 218 been so important to me," said Rangel, referring to the number of votes needed to pass the bill.

"We've got a problem on both sides of the Capitol - a big problem," said Rangel. Following a quorum call Monday night, the caucus planned to meet behind closed doors to hash out strategy going forward.

Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.), an assistant to the Speaker and head of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, said that the two chambers were still working out their differences and had yet to dig in.

"Nobody has been drawing lines in the sand," he said. "They're clearly advancing their respective positions."

Speaker Nancy Pelosi pushed the House health care position forward on Tuesday night, insisting that a national health insurance exchange is "essential" and that a surtax on the wealthy is still "the b...
Speaker Nancy Pelosi pushed the House health care position forward on Tuesday night, insisting that a national health insurance exchange is "essential" and that a surtax on the wealthy is still "the b...
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BuckCarson   07:57 PM on 1/24/2010
Are you and Pelosi Avatars? What planet are you really from?
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meko   06:35 PM on 1/14/2010
This is bad for the House, no matter what their big words are before the votes, because they are voting for the bills. They are responsible for their votes. If the bill is bad, they are responsible for it. Look at what it's become in the course of negotiations:

Mandates to purchase insurance from private monopolies that will only be regulated by weak, underfunded state insurance boards.

No employer mandates, which the CBO estimates will lead to 9-10 million Americans ending up with worse insurance.

Excise takes that will hit those in professions dominated by older workers, women, and those who work in higher-risk environments (because demographics is the #1 factor in the cost of plans).

Exchange regulations that will make it more difficult for women to purchase insurance that covers a full range of reproductive services with their own money.

Medicare unable to negotiate drug prices, unlike government plans in the rest of the world and many private companies.

Funding for abstinence-only sex education that has been demonstrated as ineffective for years.

This isn't a compromise bill, it's a compromised bill.
mrirwin   06:46 PM on 1/14/2010
You're right, this is BAD legislation. It should have been thrown out and started from scratch.
brady51h   01:16 AM on 1/14/2010
Because Public option is off the table.

The Health Care bill being considered must at least include:
Remove Health Care Anti-trust exemption.
Allow Insurance Companies to sell across State lines.
Allow Gov to negotiate drug prices. ( President pretty much sold us out on this)
Common sense tort reform.

If Health Care bill is passed in the form that is being bandied about, I think you're going to see a repeat
of 1994.
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Ozarks   01:52 PM on 1/14/2010
The House Bill includes removal of the McCarran-Ferguson Act of 1945. Ben Nelson insisted that Harry Reid leave McCarran-Ferguson intact in the Senate Bill thereby shielding health insurance from the Sherman Antitrust Act. To get national exchanges , the compromise bill must include the House removal of McCarran-Ferguson and allow interstate competition thru National Exchanges. That way the health insurance companies will "eat" each others markets through competition. The House has to call Senate's Bluff. Let Nelson" twist in the wind" with the choice of joining a Republican filibuster or losing his already enormous Nebraska medicaid payoff bribe.
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Kazer Soze   09:56 PM on 1/13/2010
Obama will sign any bill no matter how friendly is to the health care cartels. This Waterloo stuff got really under his skin that's why.
ThirdPartyCA   01:52 PM on 1/13/2010
"The president's position is strengthened because few House Democrats want to be the vote that takes down the health care bill, no matter how weak it may be."

The politicians living in the Beltway Bubble have it backwards. You don't want to be someone who helps pass this bill. I'm looking very carefully at how my Senators and Representative vote on this and any other issue. If they don't do what's right, I will help to unseat those incumbents. I won't vote Republican but I won't vote Democratic either.

I really see no difference between the anti-middle class Republican Party and a Democratic Party that breaks it's promises to the middle class.
Debbie McPherson   04:00 PM on 1/13/2010
Third Party Ca - I agree with you

Middle Class America is once again getting the short end of the stick, the shaft, the stick in the eye

This is just more Corporate Welfare - it will benefit Big Insurance Companies and Big Pharma
More business, no competition - government subsidies - a windfall for the corporations -

Obama's campaign promise was that we would be able to buy drugs from Canada and Mexico where they pay a FAIR retail - but once again, bribes exchanged and the Pharmacuetical companies will continue to hold Americans hostage to their greatly over inflated prices - Thanks again Obama for clearly NOT DELIVERING anything close to what you promised

I am afraid we have the most corrupted governemnt on the planet - it clearly operates totally on BRIBES - The House and Senate consist of Pirates and Thieves - Libernman should be in prison serving time for Treason. He is a DISGRACE.
brady51h   12:53 AM on 1/14/2010
Right on!
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Ozarks   01:59 PM on 1/14/2010
If there is no third party opponent I always opt for one of my two favorite write in candidates . Bozo the Clown or Colonel Sanders. They both run good solid campaigns when compared to the present incumbents.
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billhodges   11:50 AM on 1/13/2010
Rangel has no credibility to be discussing anything and should be removed from the congress for his tax cheating and lies.
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huff-fan   11:38 AM on 1/13/2010
It is clear this country is ungovernable with the extremes of the right and left and the power of corporate america.
I hope the final bill looks more like the house.
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billhodges   11:52 AM on 1/13/2010
While Obama's approval rating on terrorism has inched up, his approval ratings for handling the economy and healthcare have declined slightly since they were last measured, in late November. His current 40% approval rating on the economy and 37% rating on healthcare are the lowest of his presidency to date. The latter number is of some concern as the president and Congress work toward final legislation on healthcare reform, which could be ironed out later this month. The public is currently divided on this legislation, and the president's leadership may be needed to bridge the gap between House and Senate Democrats while Obama tries to gain greater public backing for the reforms.
Debbie McPherson   04:09 PM on 1/13/2010
blah,blah,blah

Until we insist the house and sentate be shut down and retooled, and sitting officials removed from office and charged with accepting bribes it won't amtter what the poles tell you

Americans are distrusting this government more with each passing day

Obama had the chance to be a great leader - turns out he is no more than lap dog for big coporations - his big achievement for the middle class so far? I think he did a tax break that is equal to $400.00 a year

Compare that to the 40% increase in bonus money on Wall Street this year

Main Street lost $5Trillion - wiped out of pensions and savings - 15 million people unemployed and the number is on the rise

Tarp money was used for campaign donations (bribes) to make sure House & Senate work against any financial reform - the epitome of a corrupted system

Poll numbers will slide further as more peole catch on...


But on Wall Street
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Laws456   12:35 PM on 1/13/2010
So sad and disturbingly true.
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RyanCSmith   05:13 PM on 1/13/2010
More accurately the kabuki theater of the clash between the Washington Right and Left over the favor of the corporate powers that be.
springbaby   11:10 AM on 1/13/2010
Really Nancy?...finally figure out that you're the problem?
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max hp   10:08 AM on 1/13/2010
We, the People, have a problem with the elected leaders in DC.

And the people are NEVER WRONG.
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ninthraphael   01:46 PM on 1/13/2010
i have so much respect for the masses but an elightened masses is what we need right now. a critical mass of enlightened masses! bush was elected by the people and look where we are. we also need to educate ourselves and reject the political lines and ideological spins both sides weave!
random100   07:17 PM on 1/13/2010
Bush was elected by the Supreme court, not the people.
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CLASSWARWELOST   05:29 PM on 1/14/2010
Bush actually lost the election but the news was lost in 9/11 coverage.
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LittleMittens   10:04 AM on 1/13/2010
If the rich enjoy being rich in this country, it is time to step up and prove it. We have two wars and a recession, it's time for you to chip in.
Liberty Valence   09:59 AM on 1/13/2010
Cynicism is the new racism, that way everyone shares.
Examples of cynicism abound:
Economics: Exclusive bottom line profit/loss financial accounting.
Wall Street: Financial profit means more than existential survival.
Big Banks: Greed is morality, like true believers everywhere, they make their own rules.
Business: Corporate personhood is the kool-aid served served at the boardrooms.
Religion: Morality is mysteriously composed by God instead of Godliness.
National Defense: War is the last thing we think about and the first thing we do.
International relations: Realpolitic, this is our chance to show cynicism off to the world.
Science: Entropy, the great plan for automobiles and energy.
Marketing: Consumerism is created when people are reduced to manipulated statistics.
Entertainment: Hollywood, ‘'Welcome to the unreal world.’’
Fashion: Illusion is the Sunday NYT advertising. All else is a pale imitation.
Social Networking: Self Delusion multiplied on a planetary scale. It’s normal, it’s what we do.
Conservatives: Each offers the smartest idea, none claims to be smarter than the other.
Republicans: Hypocrisy is the easiest way to explain the dumbest decisions.
Democrats: Excuses we can count on for everyone and everything.
Liberals: Each offers something smarter, none claims to be smartest.
totaldisbelief   10:36 AM on 1/13/2010
sounds like the plot and characters of a science fiction novel
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dezzertguy   09:55 AM on 1/13/2010
He has a lot of gall to even show his face in this or any debate. He has no credibility and should not be a committee chair. Just another example of how Pelosi lied when she said this was going to be a most ethical congress.
totaldisbelief   10:37 AM on 1/13/2010
Why not he has been part of the problem for years. Who would know better what a problem is?
Notrepublicrat   09:35 AM on 1/13/2010
Rangel belongs in jail. Why is he treated with respect?
yankees   09:23 AM on 1/13/2010
We should start by throwing Rangel in jail.
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max hp   10:10 AM on 1/13/2010
Start with the five time deferer first.
reelcobra   09:11 AM on 1/13/2010
Did Rangel make bail or something? He's not in jail yet?

He's lucky he's a light skinned Dem I guess...

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