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Experts On Afghanistan Doubt Survey On Foreign Occupation: Results Are Impossible

First Posted: 03/18/10 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 04:10 PM ET

A new survey of the Afghan people is being touted as evidence that hearts and minds may, in fact, be warming to the U.S.'s military presence, which is heading into its ninth year.

MSNBC's Rachel Maddow, generally a critic of the continuation of the war, heralded the survey as hopeful news on Tuesday night.

But can it be taken seriously?

In a word, no, say people who have worked extensively on the ground in Afghanistan.

HuffPost interviewed Prakhar Sharma, head of research at the Centre for Conflict and Peace Studies (CAPS) in Kabul, who has done a large amount of public-opinion research work in Afghanistan, where he is based; Matthew Hoh, a foreign service officer who resigned last September in protest of the administration's Afghan policy; Anand Gopal, a Wall Street Journal reporter who has traveled widely in Afghanistan; and Christian Parenti, a reporter with The Nation who travels frequently to Afghanistan and was the field producer of the Afghanistan-based documentary The Fixer

Four of the five say that reliable survey results in Afghanistan are impossible for several obvious reasons, and some not so obvious. The obvious ones first: The Taliban controls large swaths of the country and the war has made much of the country unsafe to travel through. The Taliban doesn't do surveys, so anybody approached by somebody with a clipboard knows that the person either represents foreign troops, the central government or a private company associated with one or both.

Then there are the not-so-immediately obvious reasons: Afghanistan is a highly patriarchal society, meaning that getting a woman's true opinion is extremely hard. Sharma said that his research teams have never been able to get even close to the 50-50 male/female split that the ABC survey claims.

Getting a man's honest opinion is no simple task, either, he said, because the responses are calculated to protect and benefit the respondent's family and village. "The Afghans know it when they see sudden changes in development assistance, changes in government officers, police tashkils/numbers [the Tashkils are the national police], more/less operations immediately after the polls. It is difficult to pretend to them that the polls do not matter. Their responses are therefore calculated," he said.

Those with experience in Afghanistan were skeptical that the surveyors actually went where they said they did. "If you look at it, the polling was conducted in built-up areas, in urban areas where we have our bases and where the Afghan government has a presence, primarily off the major highways," said Hoh. "So through the South and West of the country, primarily it was done right along Highway 1 where the government has control and where we have control. Off those areas, we don't have control."

Feld said that his company didn't target safe areas. "The villages are actually randomly selected. There's no convenience selection. If it's on the top of a mountain, that's where we'd go," he said. "Our guys would walk into a village and we ask questions."

Hoh said he simply doesn't buy it, both because the areas are impenetrable and because the answers make no sense. "I just don't really believe that, because what I saw in both the East and the South of the country...where all the fighting's really going on, this doesn't jive with, it doesn't agree with what you get when you go out and meet with local villagers. When you go out to these valleys and meet with folks, it doesn't square that they see a central government as a force for good," said Hoh. "I just don't think it's possible to get accurate polling in a war zone like that, particularly one that's been at war for 30 years, where the government has been oppressive and they can't trust it, whether it's been the communists, the Taliban or the Karzai government."

Kabul, Parenti noted, has been trying to put down its rural surroundings for decades, and for just as long, the rural areas have fought back. Many urban Afghans, he said, may indeed support the escalation to the extent that it increases Kabul's power over its surroundings. In the countryside, though, the reverse would be true. Finding that they all of a sudden support the central government doesn't ring realistic to him, Parenti said, and he doesn't believe that the researchers got to the relevant areas. "Kabul headed East or South and even to the West a bit, it's very dangerous," he said. "They wouldn't even go into an area that they didn't have control over. Huge parts would be no-go for people associated with the government." (Disclosure note: I've done foreign reporting from Bolivia and Iraq with Parenti.)

Karl Feld, research manager for Virginia-based D3 Systems, whose Afghan subsidiary was hired by ABC News, the BBC and ARD to conduct the survey, said that his interviewers were not seen as associated with the government because they are Afghans. "Interviewing teams all live in the area they work in. They're not viewed as outsiders," he said.

Sharma said it's nowhere near that simple. "Yes, the interview teams are usually supposed to be recruited from districts where they belong, to minimize the suspicion, but that does not mean that you could do surveys in Khas Uruzgan or Zurmat or Panjwai or get a perfect gender balance. As far as I can tell, we were not able to survey certain provinces at all for months in 2008 because of insecurity. The locals (they were from the same district) refused to be seen as holding questionnaires in their hands and talking to people to 'elicit' their responses. It was way too risky. Things have not improved in the South. They have, in fact deteriorated in most of the South and the Southeast during the last one year," he said.

Gopal and the others said that Afghan respondents try to figure out what the interviewer wants. "They almost always tell the surveyor what he wants to hear. Moreover, people generally understand that the Taliban do not do surveys, so any surveyor is seen as representing the government. In many parts of Afghanistan, where they almost never see people from outside their district, people coming and asking them political questions gives the impression that they are representatives of the government or foreign forces (and they often are)," wrote Gopal. "I've seen this first hand when I accompanied surveyors in the field a couple of years ago."

The interviews were conducted December 11 to 23, and reached 1,534 Afghan adults, the survey claims. Sharma said he has worked directly with the D3 subsidiary and found them to be the best qualified survey contractor among an unimpressive field. But even with that outfit they found "data falsified for insecure provinces (90 respondents in Ghazni had identical responses to all governance related questions, for instance)," Sharma wrote in an e-mail.

The survey claims to use a "Kish-Grid" approach to select individuals for questioning. Sharma is skeptical. "I have personally spoken with regional coordinators who would manage field teams and they used to laugh at 'Kish-Grid' approach because it is simply not feasible in Afghanistan," said Sharma.

The survey takers said that they ran into only marginal security issues: "Of the 101 districts initially drawn in the sample, 11 were inaccessible for security reasons and were randomly replaced with other districts in the same province; a 12th was inaccessible because a road washed out, and likewise was replaced. At the settlement level, 21 of the 194 sampling points were replaced for various accessibility reasons, a customary number of settlement-level replacements."

Sharma and others who've traveled throughout Afghanistan said that it is simply implausible that researchers could get to 90 percent of the areas they sought. Feld insists that they did.

What's more likely, the critics said, is that the interviewers spoke to people they already knew.

Gopal explains why that would be. "The way the surveys work is by recruiting, say, 34 people for the 34 provinces," he writes. "Each of these people are then tasked with finding participants for the survey in their province. In rural Afghanistan, with geographical, logistical and security concerns, these people can't very well go door to door. Moreover, they can't randomly select phone numbers here because there are no area codes like in the States (so that you can ensure an even distribution geographic distribution) and only major urban areas have good network coverage. Therefore the surveyors usually find participants by polling their friends and family. This means that you don't have a random sample, and the results of the survey depend entirely on the political outlook of [the] person in charge. Since the surveyors are often educated people who live in urban areas and have ties to the government (in most provincial urban centers, almost every educated person--and there's not many--have family members working for the government, because that's the only job available to them.), there's a heavy pro-government and pro-coalition bias in the surveys."

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David Anthony Hohol
Revealing the Multiplicity of Perspevtive
09:44 AM on 01/20/2010
There is no use for The United States, Canada, the UK, Germany, Romania, Bulgaria, Italy, Australia and more to keep their troops in the country. It doesn’t matter if they leave tomorrow or of they leave in 3 years, the end result will be the same; the Taliban will remain and then fight it out with local forces

What no one seems to understand is that although the Taliban can easily be defeated, wiping them out altogether is like trying get rid of a bad case of herpes – it just ain’t gonna happen. The best you can hope for is to get it under control, so the occasional flare up can be properly handled.

http://www.relativityonline.com/home/taliban-herpes-syndrome/
CognitoErgoSum
CogitoErgoSum was taken when I signed up.
01:57 PM on 01/15/2010
Why has no one openly considered that the root cause of instability in that region is due to having to defend absurdly indefensible borders that were established by the British that bisect the Pashtun and Baluchi native homelands? What the U. S. and rest of the world see as an incursion by the Pashtun-dominant Taliban into the so-called lawless tribal provinces of Pakistan is really no more significant to the Pashtuns than going from one end of the house to the other. If one could draw a border around the areas of Afghanistan and Pakistan they traditionally inhabit in exchange for them offering up bin Ladin and the remaining al-Qaeda into U. S. custody and withdrawing into their homeland, the U. S. could declare victory and cease military involvement. Pakistan could divest themselves of a region they can't administer and perhaps annex the contiguous ethnic Baluchi region of Afghanistan to their Baluchistan province. Such borders would be more pragmatic and would be a proof-of-concept for greater Muslim self-determination in their ancestral homelands.

Here is a map to illustrate the tragic absurdity of their borders versus the people they contain:

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/pakistan_ethnic_80.jpg.
CognitoErgoSum
CogitoErgoSum was taken when I signed up.
02:18 PM on 01/15/2010
Here is a highly informative article explaining how the inherant instability and futility got started.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durand_line
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Rand
01:53 PM on 01/15/2010
He MAY be right, but I instantly doubt anyone who uses the word "impossible" that freely. Highly unlikely? Certainly, but not impossible
07:22 AM on 01/15/2010
Gary Langer, director of ABC News polling, has a lengthy post responding to these allegations: http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenumbers/2010/01/polling-in-afghanistan-an-antidote-to-anecdote.html

Excerpts:

"The first criticism is that travel in much of Afghanistan is impossible given Taliban control [..]. The reality is that ACSOR continuously updates district- and settlement-level assessments of where its interviewers can and cannot travel safely. As noted in our methodological report, 11 of the 194 originally sampled districts were replaced for security reasons.

One critic [..], Prakhar Sharma, is identified as having done “a large amount of public-opinion research work in Afghanistan” (without details, or reference to any such output). He says he’s “worked directly” with ACSOR and found “data falsified for insecure provinces,” a serious accusation. ACSOR tells us it has no record of ever working with Sharma. Moreover, as we’ve reported, 31 percent of the interviews in our survey were directly monitored or back-checked [..].

Hoh [..] says, “If you look at it, the polling was conducted in built-up areas, in urban areas … primarily off the major highways.” [..] In fact 80 percent of our interviews were conducted in rural areas. [..] Check our photos [..] – not exactly what you’d call urban settings."

Etc. Shoddy journalism by HuPo. Perplexing that it cites all these allegations, but apparently never even asked the pollsters for a response, and reported nothingbut unchecked accusations.
05:06 PM on 02/11/2010
"Etc. Shoddy journalism by HuPo. Perplexing that it cites all these allegations, but apparently never even asked the pollsters for a response, and reported nothingbut unchecked accusations."

that wouldn't fit their agenda.

HUFFPO = the liberal version of Fox when it comes to credibility.
Mildmannered
"Be excellent to each other"
03:21 AM on 01/15/2010
"The Taliban doesn't do surveys," [or windows].
11:27 PM on 01/14/2010
I believe it. President Karzai is loved by the people of Afghanistan.
09:46 PM on 01/14/2010
The war interests want war, they get it. Despite the extraordinary expense, the deaths, the destruction, the long term damage, the common sense. The interests still get what they want and the rest, namely the Cabinet, the congress/senate votes, the media spin, the surveys, etc will adjust accordingly.
07:05 AM on 01/15/2010
Yes, because the British and German public broadcasters who sponsored this survey are obviously just in hock to "war interests". /sarcasm
04:49 PM on 01/14/2010
I expected better from American propaganda & am disappointed. Where are the peasants throwing flowers? Smiling GIs handing out chocolates to grinning, too-happy natives? Where is the faux "human interest" story of a man who has lost his family to drone attacks but still loves America "because it means freedom"?

Clearly the Pentagon is asleep at the wheel.
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Dosadi
Political agnostic
07:43 PM on 01/14/2010
Silk stockings and chocolates didn't work either. Damn!
11:51 PM on 01/14/2010
You and the flowers again. They are not hippies.The Taliban are neoconservatives of the Islamic faith who don't like hippies/infidels and want to kill them.
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Witchitalineman
Speak your truth, even if your voice quivers.
03:26 PM on 01/14/2010
It's funny that this came out because when I heard this, I thought to myself it isn't true.
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02:47 PM on 01/14/2010
Ask the folks in the Kremlin is they think there is any hope for us.

After all, they've been there and done that.
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ErnestineBass
No longer a cog in The Machine.
11:47 PM on 01/14/2010
Gorbachev has already warned us we're on a f00l's errand...the MIC ignored him.
11:52 PM on 01/14/2010
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mazzetta
01:42 PM on 01/14/2010
highways?

Highway1 is the only one, and it's not exactly an highway as someone in the West could imagine
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Rallis
Virtue is Harmony
12:25 PM on 01/14/2010
no mention of how many $$$$$ the survey cost
11:29 AM on 01/14/2010
As I wrote a couple of days ago on my blog KeyboardPolitics.com, the spin about the Afghanistan polls was a little too much specially when 72 per cent of those polled said they believe President Hamid Karzai is doing a good or excellent job! When this months several American and coalition troops have already died, few of us are on the mood for make believe stories.
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11:17 AM on 01/14/2010
Just Google "Afghanistanism". It's a journalistic term from the days of the British incursion. I believe this "poll" is the new, improved Afghanistanism.
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Richard Pearce
Atheistic-agnostic Canadian polymath
10:50 AM on 01/14/2010
Well, seeing as D3 is pretty good at this sort of thing, and has been doing surveys under the most difficult conditions, odds are that the results are accurate.

I know that some of the results (say, the one on women working) seem unusual for those who's picture of Islam includes the idea that it supresses women, but they are in line with what Gallup found in it's world poll,