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Vermont Secession Movement: Nine Statewide Candidates Push To Leave Union

JOHN CURRAN   01/13/10 03:21 AM ET   AP

Vermont Secession Candidates
Peter Garritano poses for a photo in Shelburne, Vt. on Tuesday Jan. 12, 2010. Garritano is running for lieutenant governor of Vermont, topping a slate of secession-minded candidates seeking election to statewide office this year.

SHELBURNE, Vt. — Peter Garritano thinks it's time for Vermont to call it quits with America.

The way the 54-year-old automobile salesman sees it, the "empire" is about to implode and tiny Vermont can lead the way by becoming its own independent republic. So he's running for lieutenant governor, topping a slate of secession-minded candidates seeking statewide offices this year.

Their name: Vermont Independence Day.

"The only hope is to just say, 'Look, this isn't working for us. We want to start fresh again, with a real democracy,'" Garritano said. "I think that's the answer. Hopefully, it won't take another horrible economic breakdown to realize that the people running things don't look out for the little guy, or us, or the soldiers. It's all about profit and getting the last drops of oil on Earth and trampling people's rights."

Garritano, gubernatorial candidate Dennis P. Steele and seven candidates for state Senate seats plan to declare their candidacies Friday.

Their cause isn't new: It's the latest incarnation of a movement that's bubbled in Vermont and elsewhere for years. Alaska, Hawaii, New Hampshire and Texas all have made noise about seceding, to no avail.

Their method is: Organizers say it's the first time since the Civil War that a secession movement has fielded a slate of candidates for statewide office, although individual pro-secession candidates have run before.

Few political observers give them much hope of winning, even in a left-leaning state where the popular Republican governor's decision not to seek re-election has touched off a scramble among would-be successors, with five Democrats and a Republican in a wide-open race for the seat headed to the Nov. 2 election.

Unlikelier still is the idea that, if elected, the candidates could accomplish their goal, critics say.

"This is the triumph of hope over reality," said Garrison Nelson, a political science professor at the University of Vermont and a longtime observer of the state's political scene. "The whole movement was spawned by having George W. Bush as president. My guess is that with (Barack) Obama as president and this being Obama's second-best state, the wind has been taken out of their sails."

In fact, Obama's failure to close the detention camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and end the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan has fueled some of the candidates' positions.

Long on outrage about the status quo but short on details about the new order they envision, they say Vermont could establish its own Social Security system, tend to health care and maintain roads using the billions of dollars in taxes it could save by not paying federal taxes.

Steele, a U.S. Army veteran, says if elected he'll call a statewide convention to consider articles of political independence and try to get Vermont National Guard troops returned home from the wars.

But as Dartmouth College professor of government Linda Fowler says, "The problem (with secession) always is the one the framers pointed out: Governmental units that are so small end up being vulnerable to their neighbors, in all kinds of ways."

For now, the focus is on the campaign in Vermont, where the secession candidates – on a shoestring budget – plan a largely Internet-based campaign. As of Wednesday, they hadn't launched a dedicated Web site, though one is planned.

Garritano, a Shelburne independent who's never run for office before, promised his wife the campaign wouldn't cost them much money. He's sticking to that: So far, he's spent $20 on business cards.

Come November, he won't be identified as a "secession" candidate on the ballot; it will just say "independent."

"If somehow, miraculously, I got elected lieutenant governor, I'd make an effort to get back some of our rights – right to freedom of speech, freedom of association and other Constitution-Bill of Rights things that have been taken away from us," Garritano said.

Steele, a 44-year-old political neophyte from Kirby who owns Internet radio station Free Vermont Radio, says he'll take a grassroots approach to campaigning – traversing the state in a recreational vehicle with his wife, 5-year-old daughter and 3-year-old son.

"The plan is to travel around the state with my family, try to make it a fun thing," he said. "Go out, do some live broadcasts, pound some doors and then come back to the campground with my family in the RV."

Former Gov. Thomas Salmon is among those who doubt Vermont will ever break its ties with Washington, D.C.

"Do I think Vermont has a realistic chance of seceding in the near-term, midterm or long-term future? No, I don't," said Salmon, who served in the 1970s. "We did our time as an independent Republic, from 1777 to 1791. I think one time as an independent republic is enough."

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SHELBURNE, Vt. — Peter Garritano thinks it's time for Vermont to call it quits with America. The way the 54-year-old automobile salesman sees it, the "empire" is about to implode and tiny Vermo...
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04:53 PM on 03/08/2010
Along with Vermont, New Hampshire has something called the Free State Project where they are trying to get at least 20,000 Liberty minded people to move there from all over the nation. And although they are not yet officially for secession, being that they are seeking Liberty and practically neighbors with Vermont it would be a good direction to head in.

The people who are so against secession should think about it in other ways than what they have been indoctrinated with in the government school system. This is not about the previous civil war, it is about liberty. And freedom. The federal government is corrupt and out of control. Americans should have the right to separate from the federal government. America is a continent. The people will still be there, the state would now become its own country but vermont will still be vermont, except they would be independent and free. Those who want to be a part of the United WAR States, they can go move into an oppressive state that the federal government is going to destroy piece by piece. People who enjoy being self sufficient and free can move to these States of Independence.

The only difference would be freedom for the people in those republics and the oppression in the remaining WAR states. If you are in Arizona or wherever and Vermont chooses to be free, this does not affect you in any way, except that maybe it will shine some hope into your life.
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04:42 PM on 01/15/2010
I agree with those who say that secession will never happen, however there is already an option in our constitution in the bill of rights that if honored by the federal govermnemt (as if that will ever happen, constitutional compliance) that would be the answer.
Demand that the feds read the 10nth amendment and then refuse to allow them to continue to violate it. Supremecy of federal legislation in the constitution is limited to an area ten miles square and needful government facilities. Get a copy of our constitutiona and read it, it's there. Isn't our constitution the fundemental basis for government in America? And the word fundemental is defined in the legal dictionary as "without which there can be nothing.
10:50 AM on 01/25/2010
I too live in Shelburne, Vermont. I'm considering running against the secession candidate on a platform that Vermont should join the United States.
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12:51 PM on 01/14/2010
All this secessionist talk by any state is such a slap in the face to every soldier that fought, died and sacrificed in the Civil War. But worse than that it's childish and cowardly to think that this is the only way to solve problems. If they even remotely understood what it means to be an American it would be that if you believe in something that you get out there and have your voice heard and you don't stop. You might not win everytime, but you will win enough.
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vampbella09
01:09 PM on 01/14/2010
With all due respect (and I mean that) we are way beyond your arguements. The slap in the face to Civil War era soldiers happened when the Patriot Act gutted the Constitution.

The only folks in this country who are paid attention to are the ones with money. He with the most money gets heard. The Obama campaigh was about taking back our country. Now that a year has passed it is OBVIOUS that the American people no longer control thier government. Afgan surge? No public option? transperancy in gov? ect ect

Should we just keep doing the same old thing expecting a different result every time? There is not enough social cohescion to invoke a tax revolt of work strike at the national level but a serious call to seccession backed by peaceful actions would change the game. Either the Feds come in and start killing people (hardening the position of secession and proving that the US is a blood thirsty empire) or the breakaway new nations succed in thier goals of self government. Either way change is affected. I beleive this event could be peaceful. Nothing is forever and niether is the US. By the way what the hell is an American anymore? A bolviating, obese, under educated, overly religious consumer with a taste for bloody arm chair quarterbacking? If thats the case than count me out as an "American". I'm a citizen of earth first and backer of nation states second.
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05:04 PM on 01/14/2010
I say this in all sincerity re your last sentence; why don't you leave the United States and go to another country to live? Don't you think you would be happier?
11:19 AM on 03/16/2010
Please, try to steer clear of new words you do not understand or cannot spell correctly. They do not add weight to your points.
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12:29 PM on 01/14/2010
Considering that the Hawaiian Independence Party, which has historical sovereignty, and ethnic, cultural, and linguistic identity to lean on, has been completely unable to achieve secession, I don't think that the Vermonters are likely to gain any traction on this particular issue whatsoever.

And, more to the point, why is this considered seriously when similar ranting by Rick Perry is contemptuously derided?
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11:27 AM on 01/14/2010
Over five thousand Vermont soldiers didn't lay down their lives in the Civil War to make this possible.

Howard, call home.
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jeffp26
11:20 AM on 01/14/2010
If vermont does secede, I am moving there the next day.
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01:08 PM on 01/14/2010
ditto
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veteran1964
02:34 PM on 01/14/2010
All 2000 residents will move out of Vermont and then the state will be empty....Then this guy can rule a bunch of land......He should be able to have some privacy then
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vampbella09
10:59 AM on 01/14/2010
The Secession concept is not "cut and run". It is a logical reaction to the situation we find ourselves in today. Lets take a count of our issues with the Feds.
#1. Unresponsive to the needs of the people. Examples-Katrina, healthcare, outsourcing work...
#2. We have no representaion. Walk into or congress persons office with no money & ask to see them. Not going to happen. Walk into that office with a $10,000 check & you get thier ear.
#3. States rights have been gutted and the Feds contiue to concentrate more power into a centralized far away government. example-Bush not allowing CA to regulate it's own vehicle pollution standards.
#4 The Patriot Act. examples- It ended the constitutionality of our system.

Protests no longer work and I'm afraid that the people would not join a national tax revolt or any other large scale social change movement. But maybe just maybe a state the size of CA threatening to leave the Union would be a wake up call. Any modern secession movement would HAVE to be peaceful & based on the Ghandi model of civil disobiedience. The US civil war model cannot be a used as an example. Peace & conserted effort for real change must come from powerful states standing up for thier rights even if it means leaving the US. The republic no longer exists. In its place is a corporate fuedal power that has turned our country into an empire.
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KaptainKen
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12:18 PM on 01/14/2010
Sorry, Vamp: there would be fighting.

Even if 51% of the residents voted to secede, there would be 49% percent that would refuse to surrender citizenship in the United States and demand to be protected by the U.S. Constitution and vote in U.S. elections. The U.S. military would be obligated to move to protect the rights of these people.

Put the shoe on the other foot: How would YOU feel if some power told you that you were no longer an American citizen? That you were now a citizen of ... what ever?
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vampbella09
12:43 PM on 01/14/2010
This is where dual citizenship would kick in. A visa system could be set up to help US citizens in the transition phase to indepedent country. Any residence choosing to stay in a state after it's call of intent to leave the Union would be given time to either relocate OR stay and play by the rules of the new government. Violence can and will be avoided.

One of the goals of secceeding would be to change the violent response tendancies of the US. Any level of civil conflcit towards a new country by the US would have massive economic blowback by destablizing the national and world economy. In the case of CA our economy is 7th largest in the world regardless of our financial issues right now. The Pacific Asian countries would support trade agreements with CA very quickly.

Any secession can be handled peacefully. I truly believe this. This is about evolution towards a more empatheic, compassionate and resposive government.
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PresidentRobertBooth
10:42 AM on 01/14/2010
Cascadia (Northern California, Oregon, Washington State and British Columbia) would make a good solid independent nation if handled properly.
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vampbella09
11:02 AM on 01/14/2010
I totally agree. Cascadia or Pacifica is a great idea. Have you ever read teh book "Ecotopia" by ernest Callenbach?
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PresidentRobertBooth
11:44 AM on 01/14/2010
***I totally agree. Cascadia or Pacifica is a great idea. Have you ever read teh book "Ecotopia" by ernest Callenbach?***

I haven't, but I've heard of it.




I also think Maine, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Vermont, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, New York, Delaware, and Connecticut would make for a good independent nation.

A sort of greater "New England"
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KaptainKen
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02:00 PM on 01/14/2010
I notice you carefully exclude Southern California. Why?

Too many Hispanic-Americans? Too many "Hollywood" types?
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vampbella09
02:26 PM on 01/14/2010
The greater LA region is a very vexxing issue. Racial demographics are what they are. I would like to see more border controls but I empathize with mexican families only striving for a better life. LA County is SO big that it really is more of a city state. The water issues, border issue, rising sea level issues, over population.....the list goes on. I apologize about not discussing the LA /Southern CA issue but being from NorCAL I could not fairly advocate for SoCals needs.. This is an area I have no solutions on. Anyone from south state have any ideas I'm all ears! The has always been talk here of splitting the state up.
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serindipity803
10:32 AM on 01/14/2010
'Corporate Takeover' is the seed for the existing corruption that is flattening our nation. The "scare-of-secession" seems a cheap shot for headlines - 'cut n' run' is hardly a quick fix for success. Uniting to legally and morally dissect the legislation(s) of old that were bought and paid for by the Corporate Lobby's, - while an arduous task - can in time provide mass improvement in our governing system - and put the people in control of their nation for the first time since its inception.
06:32 PM on 01/14/2010
Wonderful take on it. Unity is much more powerful than division.

I would argue that it isn't enough to characterize the corporations as being a national problem- its an issue all over the world, and putting up a new border would never keep it from being a global phenomenon. That is what convinces me that this secession nonsense is just a way for these guys to wash their hands of any responsibility for what goes on.
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Qunamngdogs
10:25 AM on 01/14/2010
Can you imagine the infrastructure states would have without having to support trillion dollar wars, greedy legislators and bailouts for corporations? Probably on half the taxes or less and keeping our National Guards. A Canadian model could work pretty well here, too.
It's a sad thought, but our system has simply become so corrupted and is so antiquated in so many ways (workings-wise- like elections/ governance).
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JLennon4Life
09:04 AM on 01/14/2010
Secession movements like this stir when federal government becomes a little too heavy handed. There needs to be more of a tilt toward states rights on certain issues. Remember Vermont was the state that grew a movement to reject federal highway money so that they could set their own legal drinking age.
06:33 AM on 01/14/2010
OMG!!!! I live in Vermont and have not heard this. Guess I better start contacting the proper people. Never heard of this guy until now
06:02 AM on 01/14/2010
I'm moving to Vermont.

Of course this secession plan will not work, but hopefully it will gain more media coverage and get people thinking about the sorry state is in constitutionally, not just economically.
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JohnSawyer
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04:11 AM on 01/14/2010
If voters want to increase the chances of some success for a truly progressive agenda, they should vote for truly progressive candidates--not for candidates who call for secession. I think it's likely that some of the candidates in this article actually want to secede because they're concerned that a progressive agenda might succeed, or they just have their own squirrely ideas about how to address the problems they see.
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KaptainKen
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02:14 PM on 01/14/2010
I agree completely. Replace elected officials with those that more accurately reflect your views. This is called an election.

If you think that their is something structurally wrong with the way the United States is being governed, start a drive for a Constitutional amendment.

If you don't have enough people that agree with you to elect different candidates or amend the Constitution, then you are in the minority. It's called a democracy.

If you are in the minority it is up to you to convince more people of the correctness of your point of view until you are part of a majority. It's called a campaign.

The United States has a method to make changes. Secession of any part of it is not required.
03:59 PM on 01/14/2010
Ummmmmm...........

I hate to point out the obvious, but an election is exactly what he is preparing for. Secession is just his platform. If a majority vote for him, that IS democracy.

I for one WOULD vote for secession as I believe that this country is fundamentally broken and monied interests will not allow it to change. I'm not remotely optimistic that any secession would not require violence. Of course, as all of our military is off on foreign entanglements which really only benefit a select few, the violence would likely be between seceding citizens and mercenaries.

Wake up. There is NO progressive political movement in this country. Not remotely. The left has become the right, and the right has become theo-fascist.

If corporate money is not eliminated from our electoral system, then this country is toast.
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02:31 AM on 01/14/2010
Damn other than Tx. why don't some states that everyone would like them to secede and would like to secede aren't, mainly some in the SE.