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Obama Up Past 1 AM Negotiating Health Care Deal

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DAVID ESPO   01/15/10 11:36 PM ET   AP

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama and top congressional Democrats closed in on agreement Friday on cost and coverage issues at the heart of sweeping health care legislation, their marathon White House bargaining sessions given fresh urgency by an unpredictable Massachusetts Senate race.

Negotiators are "pretty close," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said after returning to the Capitol in late afternoon.

A White House statement said there are "no final agreements and no overall package." But no further meetings were scheduled, and Rep. Jim Clyburn, D-S.C., the third-ranking House Democrat, said, "Something should be going to CBO very soon," indicating that aides were drafting the decisions made around the table in the White House Cabinet Room. The Congressional Budget Office is the official arbiter of the cost and extent of coverage that any legislation would provide.

No details were immediately available, and congressional aides stressed the decisions made at the White House had not yet been fully shared with the Democratic rank and file.

One key obstacle appeared on its way to a resolution when Sen. Ben Nelson, D-Neb., requested the elimination of an intensely controversial, one-of-a-kind federal subsidy to cover the entire cost of a Medicaid expansion in his home state.

That provision in the Senate-passed measure has drawn criticism from governors and others in both political parties from the moment it was disclosed, and even former President Bill Clinton urged that it be jettisoned. "That Nebraska thing is really hurting us," he told House Democrats in an appearance designed to build support for the overall legislation.

In its place, officials said Obama and lawmakers decided to increase federal money for Medicaid in all 50 states, although it was not clear if there would be enough to cover the expansion completely.

The increase in the Medicaid program is a key element in the bill's overall goal of expanding health coverage to millions who lack it. The bill also envisions creation of new insurance exchanges, essentially federally regulated marketplaces where consumers can shop for coverage. Individuals and families at lower incomes would receive federal subsidies to defray the cost.

The overhaul legislation also is designed to curb insurance industry practices such as denial of coverage on the basis of pre-existing medical conditions, an issue that Obama stressed in a closed-door appearance before the House rank and file. The measure will be a "patients' bill of rights on steroids," he said, according to officials who disclosed his comment on condition of anonymity because the setting was private.

At the White House, spokesman Robert Gibbs was unequivocal that Obama's yearlong campaign for health care legislation would prove successful. "As you heard the president say yesterday, we're going to get health care done," he said.

Not everyone was quite so certain, particularly given poll results from Massachusetts that showed Republican Scott Brown within reach of a possible upset over Democrat Martha Coakley in a three-way race to succeed the late Sen. Edward M. Kennedy.

"If Scott Brown wins, it'll kill the health bill," said Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass, reflecting that the Republican would provide opponents of the health care bill a decisive 41st vote to uphold a filibuster and block passage. Frank predicted Coakley would ultimately win the seat and thus preserve the 60-vote Senate majority essential to pass the legislation, and Obama hurriedly scheduled a weekend campaign trip to the state.

Even so, Frank's remark sent shudders through the ranks of Democrats, who Obama acknowledged on Thursday have had to take a series of tough votes on the health care measure.

The president called on Congress in his inaugural address a year ago to send him legislation that would remake the health care system, including expansion of coverage, new regulations on industry and unprecedented measures to slow the rise in health care costs generally.

Neither the House- nor the Senate-passed legislation is certain to accomplish that last goal, according to officials at the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid, a federal agency, and it appeared the White House might be trying to redefine its terms.

In a statement concerning an agreement with labor leaders on a tax on high-cost insurance plans, the White House said Thursday that dental and vision "benefits are outside the core health spending which this provision is aimed at slowing." Obama has pushed forcefully to include the tax as one way to restrain the growth of health care costs generally.

The president has made an unusual commitment in time and energy to the negotiations at the White House. He stayed in the Cabinet Room with leading lawmakers until 1 a.m. on Friday, and congressional aides said he was essentially serving as a referee on key issues that the House and Senate leaders could not resolve.

Beyond that, he was willing to reopen issues where the two bills were identical. One example involved the patent protection that drugmakers would receive for their biotech drugs from generic competitors. The president wants to give generic firms quicker entry into the marketplace, and the pharmaceutical industry's top lobbyist, former Rep. W.J. Tauzin, sent an e-mail threatening to oppose the legislation if that happened.

The talks at the White House proceeded in private – a distinct contrast, Republicans pointed out, to Obama's 2008 campaign pledge to have final negotiations televised on C-SPAN.

Officials familiar with the discussions said that Wednesday's talks had ranged over the types and extent of benefits and subsidies to include in the bill. When the Congressional Budget Office reported back with cost estimates, negotiators discovered the legislation they were working on would not raise enough funds to cover everything, they added.

The principal source of funding for the legislation is to be a series of cuts in projected federal payments to Medicare providers such as hospitals and nursing homes. Insurance companies that sell private Medicare coverage would take the brunt of the impact.

Additionally, union leaders signed off Thursday on a tax on high-cost insurance plans, and a Senate-passed increase in the payroll tax of incomes of more than $200,000 for individuals and $250,000 for couples was likely to be expanded, possibly to apply to investment earnings. At the same time, a House-passed income tax surcharge appeared dead.

Even with an agreement on cost and coverage issues, Obama and congressional Democrats would have to resolve controversy over abortion, coverage of immigrants and other issues before sealing a final compromise.

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Associated Press writers Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar, Charles Babington, Alan Fram and Erica Werner contributed to this report.

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01:30 PM on 01/16/2010
No Discrimination for Pre-Existing Conditions
Insurance companies will be prohibited from refusing you coverage because of your medical history.
No Exorbitant Out-of-Pocket Expenses, Deductibles or Co-Pays
Insurance companies will have to abide by yearly caps on how much they can charge for out-of-pocket expenses.
No Cost-Sharing for Preventive Care
Insurance companies must fully cover, without charge, regular checkups and tests that help you prevent illness, such as mammograms or eye and foot exams for diabetics.
No Dropping of Coverage for Seriously Ill
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No Gender Discrimination
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No Annual or Lifetime Caps on Coverage
Insurance companies will be prevented from placing annual or lifetime caps on the coverage you receive.
Extended Coverage for Young Adults
Children would continue to be eligible for family coverage through the age of 26.
Guaranteed Insurance Renewal
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08:56 AM on 01/16/2010
Now he gets involved. Where was he months ago? Now that health care is next to dead!

What a waste of hope we all had! All hope will end Tuesday night in Mass. That saddens me considering it is Edward Kennedy's seat that pounds the final nail in health care and the Obama administration.

He might as well as turn the keys for the White House to big med business and the republicans. There will be NO change folks!
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11:20 PM on 01/15/2010
The president wants to give generic firms quicker entry into the marketplace, and the pharmaceutical industry's top lobbyist, former Rep. W.J. Tauzin, sent an e-mail threatening to oppose the legislation if that happened.
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06:18 PM on 01/15/2010
I guess the President decided to turn on the lights since the single payer and public option has been shredded to nothing !!
06:17 PM on 01/15/2010
Should Brown win it might represent the start of the country returning to a political position where the intelligentsia (deaf politicians who consider themselves better than everyone ) consider listening to the people who put them in office. By not listening, hiding behind closed doors, in secret meetings (did not Mr. Obama say everything would open), they are telling us, the people, who support them you are dumb. Sounds like Hugo Chavez. We know how well his country is doing. Remember wealth and freedom is do to our capitalistic system. Which other county offers the greatest chance to in. Many people's wealth is greater than mine and that is fine. I want the same chance they had. In most other countries it is birth that sets the course so let’s not kill the system that creates wealth and freedom. Please point out the honesty in this bill's passage. If anyone acted like this in their job they would be fired.
05:47 PM on 01/15/2010
Please. Don't you see how far we have fallen to this point? Remember what Health care reform used to be when the House passed it? Now take a look what we have.

Obama is searching for the large pieces in this pile of shards that used to be a single beautiful piece of glass but smashed by the health insurance lobby.

This health bill has only passed ONE of its goals. These were the goals of health reform:
-Affordable health care (no guarantee)
-Get rid off the antitrust exemption (failed)
-A public option that competes with private insurers (failed)
-Relieve states by covering expanded Medicaid (failed)
-A federal Health Insurance Exchange (failed)
-Health insurers cannot deny health insurance (passed) but in exchange, we have to buy private health insurance (failed)
-The debate will be held in public with nurses, and doctors, and... (failed)
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11:49 PM on 01/15/2010
There were three goals in the President's plan. I have it in front of me. More stability and security for those who have insurance, quality, affordable choices for those who don't, reins in the the cost of health care for all Americans. He did prefer a public option but said he would accept other ideas that accomplished the same goals. The bill does not immediate lower cost for those who have incomes excluding them from assistance, but it will significantly bend the cost curve overtime.

I am reading the original plan. It is what we are getting except for the public option. Neither the house or the Senate was offering an affordable public option. And both the senate and the house severely limited those who would have access.

x Ends discrimination against those with pre existing conditions
x limits premium discrimination based on gender and age
x Prevents insurance companies from dropping coverage
x Eliminates extra charges for preventative care
1/2 x Protects Medicare and eliminates the donut hole
x Creates an insurance market
x Provides tax credits
Offers public option
x Immediately offer new low cost coverage through a high risk pool
x Wont add to the deficit
x Implements a number of delivery system reforms
x Creates and independent commission of doctors and medical experts to identify waste fraud and abuse
x Orders immediate medical malpractice reform projects
x Requires large employers to cover their employees, and individuals who can afford it to buy insurance
01:39 AM on 01/16/2010
x Older workers can still be charged 3-4 times what younger workers are charged
x Insurance companies still can drop you under the "fraud" provision and they get to determine what constitutes fraud
x Many insurance markets, not just one, will make it impossible for individuals to gain any power over price-fixing local monopolies
x Employers will not have a mandate. The CBO estimates that this means 9-10 million Americans will be dropped from their current plan and forced to purchase inferior coverage from one of the state exchanges.
x Actuarial value of plans can be as low as 60%
x No national insurance examiner means that no one will be there to ensure reforms have teeth

If there were a public option, or meaningful and robust regulation, the mandates could be justified. As it is, it just creates powerless consumers who are forced to be captive customers of for-profit monopolies who's only responsibility is to charge as much as they can and pay out as little as they can to maximize shareholder value.

Shareholders expect it to go well. Look at insurer stock prices.
04:36 PM on 01/15/2010
Sir, I believe, "too little, too late" applies here. You are trying to curb the anger we feel, the abandoned feelings we feel as a result of your actions as our elected officials. We warned you not to ignore us about a public option, and our outrage over Wall street over main street, time and time again. Rham miscalculated and now we are where we are. Each of us an island. Sir, your silence over supporting the public option, is being met with my silence now as to your predicament. I will take a hands off approach here as my President has done over these last few months on points of my concern.
If you want me back supporting you, step up and tell the LIEberman's to shiut up and go away. Tell Wall street, people will go to jail for wrecking our ecnomy. Tell Tim Giethner, the American public is not as stupid as he thinks we are.

PUT THE PUBLIC OPTION BACK IN, AND REGULATE THE H3LL OUT OF WALL STREET,
or take comfort in the lobby dollars and leave me alone.
Danny Lauve
06:06 PM on 01/15/2010
Agreed.
01:07 AM on 01/16/2010
And at the same time you sit back on your morals, you shoot yourself in the foot. This is exactly what the republicans want. You will sit back when it comes time to vote, the republicans will win seats and the gridlock will get worst. This mis-guided anger at Mr. Obama is self destructive and this is what the republicans are counting on. For all those patriotic desenders, you forget your recent past where the republicans spent us into a $1.3 trillion dollar deficit with nothing to show for it. For the Reagan democrats, Mr. Reagan increased deficit and increased taxes overall. Remember your recent history. Just because he did it with a smile, doesn't make it any better. I say "go ahead and shoot yourself in the foot", if I didn't have to take the journey with you. You don't like the democrats you have, find better democrats. Stop electing the same kind of people, expecting a different result!
01:41 AM on 01/16/2010
Voting for "the lesser of two evils" is what brought us here. Democrats didn't negotiate with Republicans, they negotiated with each other. Despite everything they gave up, they didn't get a single Republican vote.

They are all responsible for the bill they sign.

It's time for them to stop running on "we're not Bush" and "look there's Sarah Palin" and "where else are you gonna go?" It's time for the Democrats to do what they promise. Only then will they deserve support.
01:45 PM on 01/15/2010
Can anyone explain just how the "worth" of a plan is calculated as far as making it a "Cadillac" plan? Premium totals? Benefit max?
06:09 PM on 01/15/2010
A Cadillac plan is defined by it's premiums. Let's imagine that you work in an industry dominated by older women, who are exposed to illness (like nurses). Then you have high premiums because of the population of your group. Thus, you have a Cadillac Plan.

Let's imagine that you work at a company that makes snowboards and your workers are primarily young, unmarried males. You might even offer extra benefits like plastic surgery, but because the population is young and healthy, it still doesn't cost much. Then you have a sensible plan that does not earn the title "Cadillac Plan."
01:21 AM on 01/16/2010
Wrong!
01:36 PM on 01/15/2010
"“It’s smoke and mirrors,” Mr. Obama said. “It’s bogus. And it’s all too familiar. Every time we get close to passing reform, the insurance companies produce these phony studies as a prescription and say, ‘Take one of these, and call us in a decade.’ Well, not this time.”

Rather than trying to curb costs and help patients, he said, the industry is busy “figuring out how to avoid covering people.”

“And they’re earning these profits and bonuses while enjoying a privileged exemption from our antitrust laws,” he said, “a matter that Congress is rightfully reviewing.”
October 17, 2009
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/18/us/politics/18address.html


Mr. President, as your words above reveal, you know what to do, you know what is at stake.
Mr. and Ms. Congress, as the president's words reveal above, you know what to do, you know what is at stake.

As one of my grade school teachers used to tell people after determining they knew right from wrong -- act accordingly.
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01:48 PM on 01/15/2010
Something will Pass. it will be sugar coated to make palletable and will be painted a nice shade of white. so we can't see it's true color.

It will be interesting to see how much the insurance industry benefits and how we get screwed. It would be nice if taxpayers had a lobby
02:17 PM on 01/15/2010
In my dissent against compromise I do realize:

1. The president is an individual with certain limited authority capability and power vested in his office.
2. Congress makes laws
3. The sort of change the president is looking to make requires stealth at times, so there will be cases where he will not telegraph intention, where he will go Centrist now to go Left later. I hate that part (the calculating approach)
4. The Republicans would love to see the effort for reform of any kind go down the tubes with the president. They crave failure for this president and much of it has to do with the psychosis just beneath the surface of feigned "we are all in this together" Americanism. You know, the he is not one us, was not born here, is a coward, is a socialist (like that is a bad thing), is this, is that, is anything but the elected leader of these United States deserving respect and support as he seeks to pull the nation back from the precipice of debt dysfunction and despair amassed over decades.
5. This point goes back to point three. The idea of incremental change as framework for eventual complete overhaul might be towards laying the foundation of a skyscraper down now, and then working to elect the proper Congress later to deliver penthouses of reform.

I still have deep issues with compromise, but then Rome was not built or destroyed in a day.
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01:33 PM on 01/15/2010
Now a fine time, isn't it?
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01:31 PM on 01/15/2010
That's just great. Everytime he enters the negotiations, progressives lose more......,
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04:58 PM on 01/15/2010
And that ain't coincidence either!
01:30 PM on 01/15/2010
The bill isn't perfect but after it passes it can still be reworked. Hell Social Security didn't cover black folks when it was first passed...now look at it!...but thats ok. Lets forget the bill and go with the status quo and your rates rising 30% every year. Then lets put the repubs back into power so when you turn to them for help because you have to choose between paying rent or your health care, they will say, "the American people wanted the status quo, now go to a charity for help."....and he wouldn't be lying....would he?

Here is the truth my ignorant friends. The repubs have no plan! If you put them back into power to spite the democratic party you deserve the consequences.
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01:32 PM on 01/15/2010
You calling people ignorant is stoopid.....,
01:35 PM on 01/15/2010
Tell me I'm wrong....show me the repub plans and how they would bring down the cost of HC.
06:13 PM on 01/15/2010
There comes a point when you can negotiate to a plan that is worse than the status quo. Mandates to purchase insurance from private monopolies that face toothless regulators is that point.

Enacting mandates without the countervailing force of any public alternative entrenches the power of insurers. They will be be even richer and more powerful once they have a captive customer base. They will not come back to the table to negotiate when there is nothing more that they want.

Better to go to reconciliation, enact the budget issues, and then go back to the popular issues one on one later. Do you really think that all of congress would vote against getting rid of pre-conditions? The things that are worth getting from this travesty of a bill are so popular that they'll pass on their own.
01:12 PM on 01/15/2010
He already sold the public out. Any oil burned will be to benefit his corporate overlords.
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12:43 PM on 01/15/2010
"....Obama supports a shorter period, but that is fiercely opposed by pharmaceutical companies...."

Well that settles it....Since the corporate structure occupies a rung that is demonstrably above the White House in the hierarchical scheme of things....12 years it will be!
Let's not be 'silly geese' and expect anything progressive of populist to come out of the 'Inside the Beltway Corporate Sausage Machine'....
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12:53 PM on 01/15/2010
progressive 'or' populist...that is.
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put on your pants and go home.
12:32 PM on 01/15/2010
Instead of rushing to pass the bill before the special election, the dems should have focused on winning the freakin' election.
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01:01 PM on 01/15/2010
If the Dems win the Mass. Election it will make for a dull 'theatrical production' and dry up the well of excuses!
I'm sure the White House praying for a GOP win there.
That would make it far easier for them to cater to their corporate masters and claim that they 'really tried' to deliver on campaign promises, but alas, the political tide was against them...Look for a GOP win in that election.