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Dems Grapple With What Loss Of Health Care Means For 2010

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First Posted: 03/21/10 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 04:15 PM ET

Democrats fretting over the effect that the Massachusetts Senate race could have on health reform are now seriously debating what would happen to the party if nothing at all were to pass.

On Tuesday a host of Democratic lawmakers and health care observers insisted that health care legislation will be passed into law in some form or another, if for no other reason than because it has to.

"I'm very confident that health reform will pass and that Democrats in the House and the Senate understand that failure on health reform is not a politically viable option," said Ron Pollack, executive director of the pro-reform group Families USA. "It is bad for the nation but also bad for their political futures because it will appear that Democrats can't implement their reform agenda."

A top Democrat official working on health care reform was even more blunt: "It is absolutely true that a bill that passes is a good bill and a bill that fails is a bad bill..."

This may be difficult logic to swallow, both for progressives and conservatives within the party. As it stands now, the one clear avenue for getting reform into law (should Brown emerge victorious) is to have the House pass the Senate's bill with the promise of future changes. This would allow lawmakers to skip an additional Senate vote. But it also means that House Democrats will have to swallow hard on some objectionable provisions, something that not every member is readily willing to do.

"I'm not sure about [Pollack's] argument," said Rep. Raul Grijalva (D-Ari.), a leading House progressive, in an interview with the Huffington Post. "I'm not sure about who the audience is we are talking to. Are we talking to the audience that expected much more for us or are we talking to the audience that politically wanted to get something done? That's what makes the vote difficult for progressives."

Added, Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.), during an appearance on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" Tuesday: "I think you could make a good argument that health care might be dead," said the New York Democrat. "Because, look... I think it's going to be very hard to ask us in the House to take the Senate bill when everyone acknowledges it was a worse bill."

There are, of course, ways to win these lawmakers over. Grijalva himself, hinted that a direct assurance from the president that he will push for changes to health care legislation immediately after it is passed into law (through the use of reconciliation) would go a long way to alleviate his concerns.

"It has to be from the White House and it has to be verbally and publicly from the president, saying that we will go along with the understanding that other things we want will be tackled independently and immediately," he explained.

Moreover, not every progressive lawmaker is opposed to the possibility that they might have to pass the Senate's bill.

"The speaker's been very clear and has been very determined that there actually will be a bill," said Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.) in an interview with the Huffington Post. "I don't know where it's going to come out, but I think that we will have a bill. We weren't that far apart at the end of last week... I think there will be a bill and I think it could be a pretty good bill."

"The Senate bill clearly is better than nothing," added House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-M.D.) during a conference call with reporters.

In private, the chatter surrounding health care seems much closer to Hoyer's calmness than to Weiner's concern. One top Democrat said it would be a moderately simple sell to get the House to pass the Senate's bill, provided the assurances were there to change it down the road.

"The pieces that need to be fixed -- the affordability and Cadillac tax -- are all budget issues, which you can do in reconciliation," the official said.

Schakowsky, likewise, said that there are multiple avenues to get legislation through both chambers of Congress. One was to have quick "ping-pong" negotiations between the two bodies before Brown was seated -- though there is some uncertainty whether the time exists to get through all the standard parliamentary loopholes. The other was to follow the strategy suggested above -- reconciliation.

"I know that that's one of the options," the Illinois Democrat said. "I think the proximity of those votes [passing the Senate bill and then amending it through reconciliation] will be very important for that to work. In other words I think we would have to do it really the same day for there to be confidence that that would actually happen."

Pelosi, for her part, told reporters in San Francisco that there was no doubt "that we will have health care one way or another."

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spytheweb
Black Democrat
04:12 AM on 01/20/2010
What it means is big profits for private insurance. Enjoy those premium raises.
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mratcheson
08:05 AM on 01/20/2010
Yep.
03:30 AM on 01/20/2010
Obama and Gibbs are surprised by these results? When you govern from the center-right and crap on progressives after riding a wave of progressivism into the White House, what else do you expect?
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SirSlappy
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06:52 AM on 01/20/2010
Yep, Obama doesn't know who he is until someone else enters the room, preferably a conservative. He thought he had forever to dawdle while we were shouting "GET ON WITH IT." Oh well, easy come easy go.

Doesn't seem like he wanted to lead anyway. He'll probably wake up with a sigh of relief this morning, "Thank God the supermajority is over... those people actually expected me to lead. I'm above that."
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BlackYowe
I am a classical- liberal woman and a Jeweler.
03:19 AM on 01/20/2010
Obama has only a wee chance left of pulling out of this tail spin. I hope he can pull the nose of this bird up in time. It will be a hard landing for us all if he can't pilot this craft.
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deepfreezevideo
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03:08 AM on 01/20/2010
The Obama administration is finished.
The next three years will be his "lame duck period".

Of course the health insurance rates are going to skyrocket now that health care reform is dead.
The insurance companies are going to teach us a lesson for daring to oppose them, daring to question their "authori-ty".

And aid to Haiti will be CUT OFF. Watch as Haiti becomes the newest forward operating base for AL-QAEDA, seven hundred miles from our shores. Yaaaaay!
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03:25 AM on 01/20/2010
WOO HOO, Buddy you started out on a long narrow ledge with your prediction for Obama (see Clinton 1st term) and took a double back flip with your prediction for Haiti. AQ operates in _Musl!m countries, Haiti is 85% Catholic.
03:39 AM on 01/20/2010
Does that mean AQ is going to go to France now? They are full of Musl!s's. They used to be a big Catholic country too.
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10:46 AM on 01/21/2010
AQ operates in Muslim countries, until it finds a Christian country that's been abandoned and left weak by so-called Christian "allies", then it does what any power seeking organization does (see VATICAN for reference).
IT EXPANDS its sphere of influence.
02:25 AM on 01/20/2010
What's wrong with this?
1. Tort Reform
2. Sensible regulations on insurance companies
3. Expand medicaid to uninsured patients with astronomical medical bills.
4. Leave everything else alone.

This provides Universal HC without the government taking over everything and ruining the highest quality HC in the world.
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NevadaLib
pwning cons since 2007
03:04 AM on 01/20/2010
lawsuits account for roughly 1 percent of the country's medical costs, and the trend is becoming less and less every year. Medicaid for people with expensive bills will just purge anybody will legitimate medical needs off the rolls, making insurance an un-neccessary middle man (much like it already is). And we are ranked 37th. not anywhere near the highest standard of care in the world. Im not saying the US healthcare system is bad, but it's not the greatest. Per capita we pay the most per person, and do not enjoy the best care, regardless of what your personal experience with it may be. It's quite the mixed bag in the US. On one hand, we tend to have access to the best technologies, but on the other hand they mean nothing if they aren't affordable.
03:30 AM on 01/20/2010
That ranking doesn't really factor quality. It's mostly about distribution.

The Canadian system is underfunded so just because we pay more doesn't necessarily mean we are paying too much.
03:44 AM on 01/20/2010
Where did you get the 1 percent of cost for lawsuits? I am curious, just because my family Dr. and a specialist who I had rebuild my knee both said that thier malpractice insurance was very high and added to the cost of everyones care. Also, if you know that lawsuits account for 1 percent, what is the biggest cost item in the industry?
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gwhitejr
03:51 AM on 01/20/2010
Tort reform is a fundamental attack on the power of citizens. It has failed miserably to lower insurance rates here in Texas. 6 years after Tort reform was passed we are #1 in uninsured citizens and rates have increased at twice the national average.
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Tony12345
04:04 AM on 01/20/2010
The one part of tort reform I'm especially keen to see is a reduction of the percentage lawyers take from judgements... It's as high as 30 or 40%!
04:54 AM on 01/20/2010
My sister lives in a tort reform state as an artist. Her company forces long hours of repetitive motion that causes disability, horrible for an artist. If they sue, it's a grand total of $6000 for an arm, without which the artist can't work ('My Left Foot" not withstanding).

Because the company suffers no economic loss, they never change the practice of causing the disability.

A friend had a huge box of cards fall on her head from high up in storage at a retail store, severely damaging her neck. She also lives in a tort reform state. Because she can move her neck 20% with multiple medications, she not only doesn't get a settlement, the company also refused her disability payments.

This is the true face of tort reform, not the multi-million dollar judgements everyone think it's about.
02:09 AM on 01/20/2010
I love my President...I really do...but he let these guys on both sides c..R..a..P all over him
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SirSlappy
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06:58 AM on 01/20/2010
Obama is a gutless wonder.
02:03 AM on 01/20/2010
The gutless democrats in congress (both houses) allowed the republicans to poison the minds of the people (who are clueless to begin with and can't think past their noses) into believing that the health care bill was socialism ( for my money we could use some socialism right about now) Once that happened, the whole thing went to pot...that was the time for Obama to step in and rescue it and tell his so called democratic majority to squat or get off the pot...he didn't...so it took forever with all the squabbling back and forth and egocentrics like lieberman, nelson, lincoln etal reveled in their five minutes of fame. This should have been passed by November at the latest....now everyone is jumping up and down because we have brownie coming in to ruin it....it's ruined but the ones who did it were there all along.
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Tony12345
02:56 AM on 01/20/2010
No, it was the closed-door negotiations that sleazy deals that failed this bill... Obama preached transparency and 'hope and change' -- he was elected to bring about change in governance but simply offered more of the same... It's got to stop.
03:25 AM on 01/20/2010
I wish Obama did offer "more of the same" in his approach to governing. More of the same would mean that he would attempt to smash the minority party like Bush tried to do every chance he got. Instead, Obama has decided to negotiate with insane people.
01:40 AM on 01/20/2010
Liberals are ninnies. They're about 12% of the population and can't figure out why in the hell they can't get single payer passed.
01:13 AM on 01/20/2010
q: what's the difference between jimmy carter and barry obama?

a: don't know what's the difference...i mean i really don't know what's the difference.
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UpFromLiberalism
Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face.
05:39 AM on 01/20/2010
barry was a community organizer
01:03 AM on 01/20/2010
Although I am a conservative, I understand how many people on the board cannot fathom how this could have happened. You are positive in your values and feel anyone who disagrees must be evil or stupid.

We aren't.

There are legitimate disagreements between conservatives and liberals. Universal healthcare with a single payer appears to be the holy grail for progressives. For conservatives it is an anathma. It isn't that we want to see people get sick and die, but government run healthcare to us is something less than we have right now.

Did you know that a person without health insurance in America has a survival rate for most forms of cancer equal to that of people in Europe with government healthcare? It isn't as good as people with health insurance in America, but it is no worse than countries with socialized medicine.

There are two sides to every question. It's easy to be blind to the other side, but it's there. Perhaps we need to talk more with one another and to quit just calling each other names.
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NevadaLib
pwning cons since 2007
03:09 AM on 01/20/2010
only certain types of cancer. and even with that, we still have a mediocre life expectancy comparatively. You can wax specifics all you want, but it comes down to the need for affordability and access. and not the george bush if you need care go to the emergency room access, but the ability for preventive care. defenders of the US healthcare system have difficulty admitting it's flaws. I have insurance, it's not bad either. But for what I pay and for how often I use it, I could have gone to Europe a few times on vacation, and gotten treatment for my ailments while there for cheaper with likely the same results i'd get in the states. but this issue is not about quality of care, it's about access to care. America pays the most and does not get the most for their buck.
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brooklyncitizen
Soror quaerens lucem
12:41 AM on 01/20/2010
What stands out in the Dems response is their concern for their seats, i.e., their jobs. I hope some will join the millions that are unemployed in 2010. What is transparent is that they hold these offices not to serve and better the nation, but to have a steady paycheck for very little work and yes...great benefits. All their spin revolves on "staying in power" rather than using that power to improve the lives of Americans or at the very least not make it worst (as Bush did).
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brooklyncitizen
Soror quaerens lucem
12:37 AM on 01/20/2010
President Obama is too much of an intellectual.He certainly has not grown into leading a nation. Haven't seen it on Healthcare or any issue that matters. THe stands that he has taken are status quo: more troops in Afghanistan for the "war on terror" and bailing out the banks and wall street.
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pjkool
12:20 AM on 01/20/2010
I wish Democrats would learn that standing for something and loosing is dignified but standing for nothing and loosing is pathetic. Tonight they look pathetic. The White House and the congressional leadership are to blame for loosing this seat because if they had been leading on principle over they last year and passed legislation that helped working families, we wouldn’t be looking at a right wing extremist going to the U.S. senate. Reid and Pelosi should resign as leaders tomorrow, they have failed the nation. The president needs to start playing hardball and stand up to Republicans or he will have to be challenged in 2012.
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brooklyncitizen
Soror quaerens lucem
12:34 AM on 01/20/2010
Standing for something is old school. No one that is an elected official stands for anything ; there are maybe three or four exemptions in Congress. Our loss.
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capitaldysfunction
White male never voted Republican
01:03 AM on 01/20/2010
Ted Kennedy said the same. The Democrat party is the liberal party, he said. And it should not be anything else.

I agree. Your comments about Reid and Pelosi are not appreciated, however. You try herding 59 cats (now 58) and one Droopy Dog (Lieberman) and see how far you get. There are realities to governance that progressives have to recognize if they ever expect to get anything done. And it ain't over yet. Let's see what happens now. I know Obama, Pelosi, and Reid are angry enough at the insurance-pharma industrial complex to take away their antitrust exemption and try to ram something through their Golden Gate. We'll see.
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rf dude
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12:20 AM on 01/20/2010
Health care went on life support months ago.

Enthusiasm and momentum drained from the process as we watched, one by one, the essential features of a good reform plan being sliced up by a handful of soul-less and selfish Senators.

Now we're gonna blame it on Brown? Nonsense!

This bill could have been pushed through except for the lack of proper leadership on all parts.

Reid & Pelosi - way past time to let an adult take over.

President O - step up and do what we elected you to do: LEAD!!
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31Blue
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12:45 AM on 01/20/2010
Well said!
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opprobrious
More speech. Less Flagging.
12:06 AM on 01/20/2010
The Dems had better remind themselves that they still have majorities in both houses and not act like the sky is falling. This is no time for a circular firing squad. That's why I'm absolutely sure there will be one.