China: Clinton Internet Speech Harms Ties With U.S.

CHRISTOPHER BODEEN   01/22/10 01:28 PM ET   AP

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China warned that comments by Hillary Clinton over a recent Google dispute could harm ties with the U.S.

BEIJING — Beijing issued a stinging response Friday to Hillary Rodham Clinton's criticism that it is jamming the free flow of words and ideas on the Internet, accusing the United States of damaging relations between the two countries by imposing its "information imperialism" on China.

Foreign Ministry spokesman Ma Zhaoxu defended China's policies regarding the Web, saying the nation's Internet regulations were in line with Chinese law and did not hamper the cyber activities of the world's largest online population. His remarks follow those made by the U.S. secretary of state, who in a speech Thursday criticized countries engaging in cyberspace censorship, and urged China to investigate computer attacks against Google.

"Regarding comments that contradict facts and harm China-U.S. relations, we are firmly opposed," Ma said in a statement posted Friday on the ministry's Web site. "We urge the U.S. side to respect facts and stop using the so-called freedom of the Internet to make unjustified accusations against China."

In her speech in Washington, Clinton cited China as among a number of countries where there has been "a spike in threats to the free flow of information" over the past year. She also named Tunisia, Uzbekistan, Egypt, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Vietnam.

A state-run newspaper labeled the appeal from Washington as "information imperialism," and Ma insisted that China had "the most active development of the Internet" of any country.

Washington, meanwhile, carried its message on Internet freedom directly to Chinese bloggers. The U.S. Embassy in Beijing and consulates in Shanghai and Guangzhou hosted Internet-streamed discussions with members of the blogging community on Friday afternoon – the latest example of Washington's outreach to Chinese bloggers as a way of spreading its message.

The bloggers met with U.S. diplomats from the political, economic and public affairs sections, who held discussions and answered questions about Clinton's speech. The meetings were similar to a session organized during Obama's visit to China in November.

Zhou Shuguang, who blogs under the name "Zuola," attended the session in Guangzhou and said Clinton's speech resonated deeply with Chinese bloggers frustrated by the content controls.

"We welcome the U.S. bringing this topic to the table for discussion in a diplomatic way," Zhou said.

Internet control is considered a critical matter of state security in China, and Beijing is not expected to offer any concessions. Beijing promotes Internet use for commerce, but heavily censors content it deems pornographic, anti-social or politically subversive and blocks many foreign news and social media sites, including Twitter and Facebook and the popular video site YouTube.

Underscoring such sensitivities, Chinese media published only scant reports on Clinton's speech and Web sites carrying the Foreign Ministry response had disabled their comments pages.

"For many senior leaders in the party, they're going to see this as just a further example of Western misunderstanding of China, Western domination of the agenda, and they're going to be more encouraged to push or defend China's own press policies," said David Bandurski, a Chinese media scholar at the University of Hong Kong.

Bandurski said that could give added impetus to multibillion-dollar plans to raise Chinese state media's overseas profile. China has been setting up new bureaus for state newspapers and funding the official Xinhua News Agency's move into television while establishing new foreign language channels for broadcaster China Central Television.

Phil Deans, a China expert at Temple University's Japan campus in Tokyo, said Beijing will likely view Clinton's comments as further confirmation that the current administration is no more amenable to its world view than the preceding one.

"After a year of sort of getting to know you and seeing how things are, the two sides realize they have a very, very different view of how the world does work and how the world should work," Deans said.

Clinton's speech came on the heels of a Jan. 12 threat from Google to pull out of China unless the government relented on censorship. The ultimatum came after Google said it had uncovered a computer attack that tried to plunder its software coding and the e-mail accounts of human rights activists protesting Chinese policies.

Eric Schmidt, Google's chief executive, said Thursday that the company hoped to find a way to maintain a presence in China but intended to stop censoring search results within "a reasonably short time."

Responses to the Google issue have ranged widely among Chinese Internet users, with some placing flowers at its Beijing headquarters and others penning screeds bidding good riddance.

U.S. State Department officials have said they intend to lodge a formal complaint with Chinese officials soon over the Google matter. Clinton not only urged China to investigate the cyber intrusions but openly publish its findings.

Clinton's speech was also denounced by an official newspaper Friday as part of a U.S. campaign to impose its values and denigrate other cultures while exploiting their societies' vulnerabilities.

"China's real stake in the 'free flow of information' is evident in its refusal to be victimized by information imperialism," said the English-language Global Times newspaper.

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Jeremy Lin = Game Change
12:55 AM on 01/25/2010
Aw, the stench of the double standard...The Obama administration is outraged that the USSC ruled that Corporations have the right of free speech, while they demand that China give Google, (a corporation) free speech.
11:20 PM on 01/24/2010
Breaking what rules?

The kleptocracy taps the phones of its civilians, and coerces major businesses to "voluntarily" open up all user and business datafiles for government access, listens in on all telefax, phone calls, and reads all emails, even encrypted ones, AND uses the intelligence garnered to further the business interests of its own companies, to the tune of tens of billions. Worse yet, its courts stand pigheadedly on the side of the government, ruling (as expected) that citizens have no standing to challenge these government acts on the grounds that the government is breaking its own laws and violating the nation's own Constitution.

The data intensity of the "stealing" is about 1,000,000 to 1, when you compare the two countries, considering the lengths of time the two nations have each been actively going at it. If indeed WTO action or other high volume "diplomacy" escalates, don't act surprised when China also addresses the massive violation of the privacy rights and business interests of its citizens and businesses, by systems such as ECHELON, CARNIVORE, MAGIC LANTERN, and now INFRAGARD. Well perhaps it would be good to put ALL such practices on the table and address them in open daylight.

What is good must be universal, or it would hardly be convincing.
05:40 PM on 01/24/2010
This is why you don't want deficit spending.

Imagine how good it would be to tell these guys where to stick it? But no, they're our creditors.

Keep that in mind the next time Krugman says there's nothing wrong with 1.7 trillion deficit.
Layman23
Do we want to live in the past?
02:34 AM on 01/24/2010
The fact that US companies are even operating in China is beyond me. China Slams? With what? Our business and employment? Great !
07:12 AM on 01/24/2010
That amaze me too. It just doesn't make sense for American companies operating in China if they hold such a high moral standard as they claim.

You are either go in for pure business or you go in trying to be a moral leader. Don't try to mix these two. If you want to mix them, then do it upfront but don't try to do it after 5 years and after failing to domininate the market.
Layman23
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10:23 PM on 01/26/2010
Sadly its no more American Companies. They want to be known as Global companies. And to squeeze every penny as profit they see it fit to move to China.

Now, we have to make a list of companies that exclusively manufacture in China and then look at what kind of tax breaks they are getting from the government and that has to stop. Because the reason they are given tax breaks is to spur local employment. But it has turned out mostly that a bunch of executives gather all the profits while the workers overseas are paid sub par.
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10:00 PM on 01/23/2010
Am I the only one who thinks that geopolitics has turned into a "let's accuse the other country of breaking the rules" game?
03:07 PM on 01/23/2010
The Chinese government's behavior in this matter is reminiscent of King Canute ordering the tides to reverse course. Although - in Canute's defense - he knew this was a fool's command and did so to show his subjects that even his kingly power was limited.

No govenment can hope to forever (or even for a little while) stop the global reach of the internet. Nor can they hope to flourish by creating separate "enclaves" via Great Firewalls or the use of non-Western characters in websites (such as the Russians are attempting).

The technology is ubiquitous to get around such blockades and will only spread further and wider at time goes on. As Freidman pointed out in his Op-Ed the other day - Chinese entrepreneurs, scholars and others dependent upon unfettered web access for success will do more to undermine China's internet policy than we could ever do ourselves.

So I look with some bemusement at the protestations of the Chinese government - as if somehow our government is any more capable of "controlling" the web than they are.

Somehow, I suspect that deep in the bowels of the Chinese heirarchy there are knowledgable technocrats who fully realize that their government (and the Party) is playing a fool's game. But they probably cannot speak openly of this without suffering negatively. So instead, they, too, just sit quitely bemused watching old men flailing away at a dragon they can never slay.

Stephanie Mcnealy
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09:27 PM on 01/23/2010
Nice. Fanned.
11:37 AM on 01/23/2010
The following basic concepts need clarified: 1. China and the Chinese government are two different concepts. 2. China doesn't have a voice of its own but is coercively represented by the party. 3. And so when you criticize the Communist Regime you will be told that you're hurting the feelings of the Chinese people.
07:19 AM on 01/24/2010
In theory, your assertion is correct. That Chinese people and Chinese government are separate entities as one does not vote (participation of the creation of ) for the other. But the fundamental issue about your above claim is that Chinese people believe their government is the one that can protect them. As such they are actually quite supportive of their government in blind optimism. To some degree, the Chinese government has delivered, both economically and militarily.

Therefore, the legitimacy of Chinese governement (that is, how much the Chinese recognize and follow its leadership without arugment) is quite high, until this government can no longer deliver. As long as the delivery continues, you can pretty much say that the Chinese government and the large majority of Chinese people are in unision and the society is stable with single pursuit of prosperity, and the pursuit of political alternative is dismissed.
07:28 AM on 01/24/2010
The fundamental understanding of how Chinese view legitimacy of their government is the concept of mandate of heaven.

Chinese people have long believed that a government in action is due to heaven's approval. When it is formed after serious of wars and battles (proven through blood and sacrifice), it has won the mandate of heaven for the period of time (usually 200 to 300 years for a dynasty) UNTIL the signs of the land proven that the mandate of heaven has been lost. And then the Chinese people will be embolden to rise to challenge the current government with blood and sacrifice. This is embeded in the gene of Chinese for 5000 years. The concept of Democracy, as much as people may find interesting, are actually looked at with fear, confusion and dismiss. They tend to ridicule it for its lack of conhesiveness and its lack of proven record in the world today (most peple believe the success of Europe and America is not of democracy but colonization and looting of the land they conquered).
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Tiggy
08:19 AM on 01/23/2010
It appears that little was learned from Iraq. Our reps, in the US, have a problem accepting the solidarity and sovereignty of other countries. While those reps are busy promoting Democracy abroad they seem to forget that Democracy is about choice...not imposition.

While we may not agree with the policies and laws of other countries, it is not for us to change! It is for the citizens of that particular country to decide.

I look at areas such as Palestine and cringe at the number of deaths and years of fighting even though US intervention, aide and assistance has been repeatedly sought, we have remained on the sideline. We did nothing in Tiananmen, Dafar, and Sudan. Then I look at areas like Iraq and China where the US feels the need to stick its nose without invitation in their business and have to wonder why?
01:09 AM on 01/23/2010
Careful Hillary, the Chinese might want their money back.
09:25 PM on 01/23/2010
Give them back the money. It is printed paper anyway. Let them have the truck load of it. US$2.3 Trillions printed money can be easily loaded into a super tanker. :)
Layman23
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10:24 PM on 01/26/2010
Actually if the US companies operating in China(wal mart??) decide to shut the operations down there, then the money comes back automatically.
09:32 PM on 01/23/2010
Here is how US$1 Trillion dollars look like with $100 bills. China has US$2.3 trillions in foreign reserve, mostly in US dollars. So double that amount shown in the picture is what we owe them.

Ship back to them in a super tanker is possible.

http://www.dailycognition.com/index.php/2009/03/25/what-1-trillion-dollars-looks-like-in-dollar-bills.html
09:14 PM on 01/22/2010
Westerners are always threatening to boycott products made in China. We Chinese welcome this idea, but do you know why it will never happen? Since the major profits (>80%?) were taken by Western corporations, and then the western politicians are controlled by them. This is not a good deal to ordinary Chinese people. Please boycott, then we will take our environment back. Censoring is everywhere, even in US. The difference is, In China, people know this fact, and if they want, they could find the information, for example, using proxy to bypass the firewall. In US, for example, Americans falsely believe they know everything, but they don't. For example, some days ago Chinese government announced they successfully intercepted missiles which is quite significant considering the 50% success rate for US, but CNN never mentioned it at all. We don't mind you know so little, but please be smart and not to launch wars because you know too little like Iraq war... It is free for people here to hate China, but please use the right reasons: it is the corporations to transfer the jobs to anywhere but here.
12:12 AM on 01/23/2010
Good point.

Less Chinese products in America, more jobs needed in America to create these products, and the Chinese get to save their environment and produe products that THEY ACTUALLY WILL BUY (forget about those santa clause ornaments).

Too bad this country is controlled by the corporations. If the Chinese goods are not imported, they have to spend more money to manufactore the samething here, not good for the balance sheet.
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05:45 AM on 01/23/2010
"Censoring is everywhere, even in US. The difference is, In China, people know this fact, and if they want, they could find the information, for example, using proxy to bypass the firewall"

I am a US expat here in HK & I've been told that by mainland Chinese firends too. They have known for years, or for 'ever', not to take the official party line, and there are many ways to get around it.

Thanks for your persepective.
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Jeff Enabe
06:03 PM on 01/22/2010
Screw China. Also don't hang out at their store, the People's Republic of Walmart.
12:13 AM on 01/23/2010
Do it. Don't just say it.
Layman23
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02:36 AM on 01/24/2010
I do. I buy my products online and the rest from kroger.
Layman23
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02:36 AM on 01/24/2010
"Peoples Republic of Wal Mart". Very Well Said !
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davidwayneosedach
05:20 PM on 01/22/2010
And China should be slammed for not helping pout in Haiti. As the worlds second largest economy they should be ashamed of themselves. Everything is always so self-serving!
09:29 PM on 01/22/2010
Posted by a low-level info David. China sent in a contingent of medical teams to Haiti the second day after the quack. It didn't report in MSN doesn't mean it didn't happen. The US news media were/are too busy reporting the US goodness which is a laugh. The Haiti economic situation was largely caused the the US foreign policies.
03:49 PM on 01/22/2010
Of course China is angry! They got caught! Hillary is on the right track, I only hope we follow up words with actions. China wants to fight a war with no conventional weapons, but it is still a war.
12:15 AM on 01/23/2010
Who got caught? Google speculates that there is outside sophiscation invovled in the hacking. Two days ago, they retract it to be inside job. Now they say nothing happens regarding Google leaving China, and that the report of such is false.

Did you create the wishful cr*ime scene in your own mind? :)
03:34 PM on 01/22/2010
The totalist environment can literally stand reality on its head: demand that all within its sway commit themselves to altered versions of external events and then insist that these falsehoods constitute "objective reality."
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02:47 PM on 01/22/2010
No government has any business in censoring or restricting the free flow of information through any medium. The Chinese government's censorship policy is simply an illegitimate means of controlling the population in order to maintain the power of the ruling class, and the free world should not, in fact, respect the sovereignty of the government in doing so. Google should just open the floodgates and let the hyperconservative government deal with it. I'd rather see them kicked out of China than retreat from it.