Obama: Gays Have Right To Serve In Military

PHILIP ELLIOTT   01/27/10 10:46 PM ET   AP

Obama Gays In The Military
Obama urged a repeal of the ban on gays in the military during his State Of The Union speech.

WASHINGTON — Reaching out to a skeptical gay community, President Barack Obama on Wednesday urged Congress to repeal the ban on gays and lesbians serving openly in the military, but he neither made a commitment to suspend the practice in the interim nor issued a deadline.

Obama's reference to the "don't ask, don't tell" practice took only 38 words of his State of the Union address, but he drew criticism from Democratic allies and Republican opponents alike. It also underscored the challenge Obama faces, not just with Congress but also with the Pentagon, where some top officials have been strident in their support for the Clinton-era policy.

"This year, I will work with Congress and our military to finally repeal the law that denies gay Americans the right to serve the country they love because of who they are," Obama said. "It's the right thing to do."

The statement drew a standing ovation from Congress and from Defense Secretary Robert Gates, but it fell short for gay activists.

An organization representing service members who had been dismissed called on Obama to push a repeal in the upcoming Pentagon budget, and Clinton's adviser on gay issues called Obama's performance in the first year "an almost complete disaster."

Kevin Nix, communications director at the Servicemembers Legal Defense Network, said the group wants Obama to repeal the policy the same way Clinton introduced it in 1993 – through the defense authorization bill.

"We very much need a sense of urgency to get this done in 2010," said Nix, whose group estimates more that 13,500 gays and lesbians have been dismissed since 1994. "What is also needed is more attention and leadership to win repeal."

Richard Socarides, a Clinton adviser who has been a vocal critic of how Obama has handled gay constituents, was less reserved.

"In 1999, Bill Clinton became the first president ever to talk about gay rights in a State of the Union address. Eleven years later, not much has changed," Socarides said. Talking again about ending the policy "without a moratorium on the witch hunts and expulsions and without even a plan for future action, just won't cut it," he said.

"Look, we are not second-class citizens and our rights are not second-term problems," he said.

Rea Carey, executive director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, said Obama should have announced a suspension of dismissals.

"The time for broad statements is over. The time to get down to business is overdue. We wish we had heard him speak of concrete steps tonight," Carey said.

Obama's relationship with the gay community has been rocky since his election. Gays and lesbians objected to the invitation of evangelist Rev. Rick Warren to participate in Obama's inauguration because of Warren's support for repealing gay marriage in California.

As president, Obama hasn't taken any concrete steps urging the repeal of the policy that allows gays and lesbians to serve in the military as long as they don't disclose their sexual orientation or act on it. Some former chairmen of the Joint Chiefs of Staff have acknowledged the policy is flawed and Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen signed off on a journal article that called for lifting the ban.

Yet Mullen's lawyers have urged a delay that could go into the middle of the next presidential election.

"Now is not the time," the in-house advisers for Mullen wrote recently in a memorandum. "The importance of winning the wars we are in, along with the stress on the force, our body of knowledge and the number of unknowns, demand that we act with deliberation."

Mullen received the conflicting advice this month about whether to move quickly to lift the 1993 ban, and it is not clear what he will recommend to Obama. Although allowing gays to serve openly in the military was one of Obama's campaign promises, the issue was put on a back burner during his first year in office. Some liberal supporters and several congressional Democrats are pushing for action.

The top Republican on the House Armed Services Committee urged Obama to listen to the uniforms.

"No action to change the law should be taken by the administration or by this Congress until we have a full and complete understanding of the reasons why the current law threatens or undermines readiness in any significant way," Rep. Buck McKeon, R-Calif., wrote to Mullen and Gates, "whether a change in law will improve readiness in measurable ways, and what the implications for and effects on military readiness, cohesion, morale, good order and discipline are entailed with a change in law."

Republican Sen. John McCain, a prisoner of war during Vietnam and Obama's opponent in the 2008 presidential race, said the policy has been successful.

"At a time when our armed forces are fighting and sacrificing on the battlefield, now is not the time to abandon the policy," said McCain, R-Ariz.

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Associated Press writers Kimberly Hefling and Anne Gearan contributed to this report.

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leonel
MA, Pol.Sci.; MA, Ed.; JD. Veteran.
08:31 AM on 02/02/2010
WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?

Gays have been around forever and will be around forever. The only reason for the controversy is that Clinton and Obama were never in the military and did not know enough to develop a finessed policy to stop discrimination without letting it blow up into a political issue. It cost them support because it was totally unnecessary. The issue initially got them support to get elected and political gays wanted to make it an issue. The end result will be the same. The next generation is even wondering why the controversy.

Democrats should be a very large political majority but are always getting sidetracked by not knowing how to make smoother progress. This pattern is in a lot of areas. A good political projection is along the line of seeing how long Democrats take to figure out a smoother process to govern. Right now Congress is an absolute mess and the public is trying to figure out some shock treatment through elections.
11:55 AM on 01/31/2010
For a new slant on homophobia, please read my latest post on the subject. John W. McAlister.
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tired of the ignorance
02:12 PM on 01/29/2010
I often wonder why it's the Religious fanatics that are so afraid of anyone who may be different then them... the ones who claim to have the most Faith... the most Trust... in God are the ones fighting so hard against Gods creatures. When you think about it... they don't have any faith or trust in God, if they did... they would let HIM do the judging when the time comes, they would live by the word of God, and treat all others as they would want to be treated.... IF they truly had faith, they would EMBRACE the differences of others as Jesus did, and if they are truly believers in Jesus, they would follow in his footsteps and preach peace and equality, instead of H8 and segregation.

For those who believe that homosexuality is a CHOICE.... I ask you this.... DID YOU CHOOSE TO BE STRAIGHT? Was "going the other way" REALLY an "option" for you? And if so.... what made you "choose" to be straight?

When we can get past the idea that there is a sexual deviant in every homosexual, then we can start to realize that they are people, just like you and me. We are all different in many ways, which is what makes us all so special.
Once the "fear" of deviance is gone, acceptance will soon follow. And it won't matter WHO serves in the military.. .just as woman and African Americans are "allowed" to serve now.
11:34 PM on 01/29/2010
Obama's desire to repeal "Don't ask, don't tell" can actually help to fulfill the "days of Lot" (Luke 17, cf. Gen. 19), the fulfillment of which will hurry up the return of the Heavenly Commander-in-Chief who will make all things straight (pun intended)! Interesting Google articles include "Obama Supports Public Depravity," "Obama Avoids Bible Verses," "Separation of Raunch and State" and "David Letterman's Hate Etc." - required reading for the "Obama 101" course.
PS - You're invited to use these new pro-life slogans: "Unborn babies should have the right to keep and bear arms - and legs and ears and eyes etc.!" and "Unborn babies should have the same right to be born alive that abortionists had!"

[above web blast just observed by me]
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Realitylost
Ken dolls don't make good presidents.
11:11 AM on 01/29/2010
Pucky I'm a Fan of Pucky I'm a fan of this user 7 fans permalink
Do you have something constructive to say?

Is there something I said that you might disagree with? Or have any evidence that I am incorrect? I am listening.

"Homosexuality in and of itself is unrelated to psychological disturbance or maladjustment. Homosexuals as a group are not more psychologically disturbed on account of their homosexuality" (Gonsiorek, 1982, p. 74; see also reviews by Gonsiorek, 1991; Hart, Roback, Tittler, Weitz, Walston & McKee, 1978; Riess, 1980).

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/HTML/facts_mental_health.HTML

Maybe the majority of the general population believe homosexuality to be a mental disorder, maybe, but the group that defines what is a mental disorder does not believe that.
12:11 PM on 01/29/2010
And that was a political decision.

Why do you choose to believe that one, rather than centuries old belief (by the medical profession) that it is a disorder?

Answer: it fits your preconceived notion of what homosexuality is.

It begs the question, what sort of behavior do you find to be a disorder? The world is filled with odd behavior, and it isn't all cultural.
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12:58 PM on 01/29/2010
Yes, because we all know how politically powerful gays and lesbians were forty years ago.

You're living in the Dark Ages, bub. Intellectually Evolve.
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Realitylost
Ken dolls don't make good presidents.
05:02 PM on 01/29/2010
I wish I had been around sooner to reply to that mess.

You cite centuries old medical opinions? Because psychology before the 20th century was so advanced right? Your comment is laughable. Maybe we should bleed the gay people, that is a centuries old cure all. Right?
05:26 PM on 01/28/2010
Ok, what did General Powell say about Gays and their civil rights, the General said and I agree this is a decision that one makes to be queer, to be openly gay, to demand rights that they already have, I know I do not speak for black folks, but I do speak for soldiers and Marine Corp members that have revealed their disgust for sick people trying to push an agenda that is just sick. And guess what, if you support this agenda, you are also sick, check yourself.
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10:48 AM on 01/29/2010
If you truly believe one chooses to be gay, you are among the millions of willfully ignorant who contribute to the constipation of our society's collective intellectual evolution.

Educate yourself.
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Realitylost
Ken dolls don't make good presidents.
10:55 AM on 01/29/2010
I was a soldier, and you don't speak for me or many of the men and women I served with, your ignorance and bigotry is astounding and your presumption to speak for all the military even more so.
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NWBrunette
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02:59 PM on 01/28/2010
It's bad enough that gays and lesbians clearly don't have equality. What is equally sickening is that we have a supposed constitutional scholar as president who doesn't have the b*lls to protect and defend the Constitution. The fact that this country clearly, obviously, blatantly discriminates against gays and lesbians is not just bad for them it's bad for our country. Not only is this policy stu.pid, it makes this country a big fat hypocrite. Obama has all the political muscle and passion of a sleeping gnat.
04:45 PM on 01/28/2010
There is no constitutionally protected right to get married.

Marriage is part of our culture, and existed a long time before the constitution.

This is a large part of what we are fighting for. If we openly admit that how we treat marriage and married people is discriminatory, and not protected by the constitution, then it all becomes a house of cards.

If we let gays be married, then any random and odd association of people can ask for and demand to be married. We will then decide that government should have no role in people getting married and will get out of the business.

And then marriage as we know it will cease to exist.
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KriTiKiT
Says"play nice"
07:26 PM on 01/28/2010
then lets cut your marriage perks... pay full price for insurance, loose the right to have your spouse to keep her mouth shut in court... your kids will have to be adopted by the biological father, file and pay full separate taxes... etc
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10:51 AM on 01/29/2010
No, but there is a right to equal protection and representation.

It's really as simple as that.
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Pagoas
Imagine no religion... it's easy if you try.
12:49 PM on 01/28/2010
i now see why there are gay republicans. at least republicans stab you in the chest instead of the back.
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Pagoas
Imagine no religion... it's easy if you try.
12:44 PM on 01/28/2010
obama is like those men who divorces their first wives after they've worked two jobs supporting him and putting him through medical or law school...

just so he can get a trophy wife, but he hopes "for the best" for his first wife and hopes that they can still be friends... all while legally maneuvering to minimize to the lowest possible amount to pay for alimony.
12:36 PM on 01/28/2010
This site is a bit of an echo chamber on this subject. It can lead people to believe that everyone else thinks as they do.

Just to bring you back to earth a little bit, but most people think that homosexuality is a disorder.

It isn't about hate. It isn't about fear. (Although those things exist)

It is about revulsion at what is perceived as very weird behavior.

People try to make a false comparison with integrating black and white units in with the army. The army works fine now after a long time of making it work. And that was just pure bigotry based on on the faulty perception that a few bits of DNA causing darker melanin somehow had something to do with a person's worth.

But disgust and revulsion with homosexuality isn't going away. Homosexuals can and have served well in the military in the past. But don't ever expect that a homosexual in a the fox hole will ever be taken by other soldiers as not something to be disturbed about.
01:05 PM on 01/28/2010
Let's travel a little further down to earth. My partner, now passed away, was a Navy veteran, who served in the 1970's in SE Asia. The commanding officer on his ship knew he was gay - he had heard rumors from other crew members. He was told to adhere to the regs all service members are held to and he would have no problems, and he completed his service without incident. This was back in the 1970's. There was no controversy then between people who knew each other and served side-by-side.

The problem today is ideologues. And creeping evangelism in our armed forces.
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StevenWells
Objects in the avatar are larger than they appear
02:32 PM on 01/28/2010
"This site is a bit of an echo chamber on this subject. It can lead people to believe that everyone else thinks as they do....but most people think that homosexuality is a disorder."

Both of those thoughts in the same post. Amazing.

No wonder you're talking about echo chambers. That's your own voice you're hearing.
04:42 PM on 01/28/2010
Do you have something constructive to say?

Is there something I said that you might disagree with? Or have any evidence that I am incorrect? I am listening.
12:15 PM on 01/28/2010
Talk, talk, talk.

Don't hold your breath expecting action from Obama, people. Anoxia's a pretty miserable way to go.
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Monrocsol
Bible is a fairy tale book
12:14 PM on 01/28/2010
Yes America, gays can die for their country, but they cannot marry the one they love.

Something is really wrong with that.
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AllenFromAtlanta
11:00 AM on 01/28/2010
Gays were serving honorably in the military when I was in the military (and we all knew who they were) some 30 years ago, and gays have been in the military ever since. Let's get real here folks; gays will always be in the military so let them serve without being afraid to be discovered by homophobes.
10:47 AM on 01/28/2010
Hopefully, this is one that Republicans will filibuster.
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Monrocsol
Bible is a fairy tale book
12:18 PM on 01/28/2010
Fox rocks... i thought so...
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10:32 AM on 01/28/2010
"I will work with Congress" - in other words, nothing will get done.
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cal5000
09:34 AM on 01/28/2010
Actually I was just at my Congressman's office last week and asked him about it. He says he gets very little feedback about it.

Your organizing is awful. The unity is nonexistant and the only time you hear from gays are here and on Rachel Maddow--thats hardly enough.

The LGBT community dont even have an accurate count of their numbers in this country which is why no one takes their threats seriously: if you all refuse to accept yourselves in too many cases why should anyone accept you?

The Down Lows and Closet Cases who still hide from reality are hurting your arguments more than the few vocal members are helping.
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rextrek
50yr old, Moderate-liberal in S.NJ/Phila
10:02 AM on 01/28/2010
the difference is this..LGBT people literally come from ALL walks of life, colors, backrounds, rich & poor, etc etc.....there is NO Club, or Group...its Mostly all local/regional.......some are out,some out kinda out,some are NOT out........in over 30states in this country (the US of A) you can STILL be Fired for being gay.....there is NO NATIONAL CLUB FOR ALL GAYS TO JOIN.....and get to know each other......statisically 1 out of every 10 people or so are LGBT.
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HotheadPaisen
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10:48 AM on 01/28/2010
So you mean all that crap about the united and dreaded 'Gay Agenda' is just more boogie man propaganda from the right?
12:10 PM on 01/28/2010
Yes. That is why I laugh when ever I hear "gay agenda".